Do you think girls that are out for the bad boys are afraid of intimacy or a meaningful relationship?

[jusabarasida]

I've asked the same question before and I eventually came to my own conclusions.. and you'll see that I'm right.. First thing you gotta do is be open-minded and more importantly.. be realistic..

Realistically speaking.. women who are mature.. they stop going for the bad boy because they have had the thrill and they got sick of it and are looking for a real relationship.. the reasons to why they wanted bad boys? there are plenty.. I'll sum it up in a minute.. As far as ignoring the calls or messages, that creates mystery and most women like mystery but most guys do that sh*t on purpose.. now I say let the relationship flow.. if you really can't get to your phone, then too bad that creates mystery by accident.. which is correct.. if you can get to your phone, then reply.. so you are correct on that one.. Women aren't afraid of meaningful relationships.. actually, women are not afraid of anything except their own insecurities..

You can't overgeneralize people by saying "bad guys".. but for the sake of discussion ill go with that for now.. Bad guys DO have something to offer to women.. and they ARE good boyfriends because they provide an opposing side.. you think they are "bad" because they don't cater to the women or they don't respect and adore them a 100% of the time.. Women don't want to be smothered and you need to understand that.. It's o.k to be respectful and caring, but when you need to oppose to her sometimes, then oppose! The point is.. DON'T be afraid of losing her.. when your "nice" to her all the time, they'll see your fear and they will most likely use you because you want to be used.. at least that's what your signaling to them.. / It's fine to be open with your emotions but sometimes you have to learn to hold back.. you are a man.. I'm not saying be macho and a douche-bag but keep sh*t to yourself unless you have little choice.. If something she says really gets to you, then and only then should you let some of that emotion out.. When women see your emotions held on your sleeves, once again you unintentionally become an easy target.. you don't have to 'hold it all in'. just keep it minimal..

Seeing a chick flick with her and shopping.. you know what that says to her? it says: "best friends".. not boyfriend..You gotta resist man.. I know nice guys like us want to make girls happy but when you think about going shopping again and walking around while she takes her sweet time, dig deep inside yourself and think.. "do I really want to waste my time like this?.. is it WORTH IT?".. Now, AFTER entering the relationship, THEN you can pick out "cute outfits" for her.. but before you get into a real relationship with her, don't do that kind of sh*t!.. it sends the wrong signal!. Trust me. It's o.k to take it slow but 2 to 3 weeks after meeting the girl is long enough.. anything longer = "good friend".. So if you decide you want a relationship, make it happen soon or regret not making a move.

I got more. just ask me.

[Anonymous]

i'm in your exact same position, brother.

but I think it's not so much being a good person vs. bad person, there are just qualities that both sides possess and girls want all of it.

bad guys are tough, rugged, adventurous, wild, sexual, independent, bold. it would be natural for her to want to be with the leader of the pack. this is her animal instinct acting. it's impulsive

good guys are charming, considerate, chivalrous, true, MATURE, loyal. it would be logical for her to want to be with such a caring creature. this is what her human instincts want.

if you could somehow combine these two, I think this is what most women are already in love with in their minds. Things is, when they look at a bad boy, they see what they want right away. They think there is potential to uncover his hardened exterior and reveal his human side, which would be only hers to see. The nice guy just seems boring at first glance because she thinks he's not most, if any of the bad boy's characteristics, and he may or may not have the good guy traits.

I think once women have had their fair share of fun and heartbreaks with the bad boys, they realize that the nice guys, who've been there all along, aren't so bad(...or good? or just lame) and that once they get to know them they discover something great.

that's how I think women work

[CuddlyCarla]

First of all, this whole 'nice guys finish last' bit is a myth and frankly a pity party, which no girl wants to be a part of. The reason girls go for men that are more edgy isn't because they are attracted to badness, if anything they would rather have a good guy. The foremost word with women is confidence, and edgy people have it in abundance. 'Nice' guys have a tendency to wander around in the background twiddling their thumbs, overanalyzing, and doubting themselves, and they rarely ever walk right up to a girl and present themselves as a viable option. They have a tendency to procrastinate, and not tell someone what they want or how they feel until it's too late. The edgy guy will just walk right in there and approach something knowing that it will most likely turn out his way and will usually thus get it. For a self-proclaimed nice guy, you certainly place a gigantic emphasis on the superficial. Especially if you are aiming for 10s, the confidence is going to be crucial because these women have their veritable pick. And you're going to need to be a man that can stand up for yourself and your woman and be assertive if you are dating a girl with that much constant competition. If a girl texts you, call her, don't text back. Confident people call, not hide behind texts. If you are out for a meaningful relationship, I'd make sure her looks aren't the only criteria. If your relationships have ALL ended in heartbreak, that's a sure sign you should rethink your strategy and read up on the topic. Learn from your mistakes so you aren't destined to repeat them. If you take things too slow and work up the courage, you will lose them. You should go into it already having the courage, girls aren't going to wait forever for you to believe in yourself and do what you have to. From what you have described, it doesn't sound like girls are afraid to have something meaningful, they just want to have it with someone who is sure of himself and sure of them and it sounds like you are too hesitant to make a choice and thus they move on. Now I'm confused because you just wrote that you've never had a girlfriend date or kiss, so what heartbreak are you talking about? If it's a crush, that's not even worth talking about, I thought you were asking about relationships. If you haven't had one, you haven't had real heartbreak. My analysis from reading this is that you are too busy feeling sorry for yourself and procrastinating, not actually making any of this happening or establishing yourself as a real option for a girl. Tricks to getting women: BE CONFIDENT. Be assertive. Stand up for yourself and your girl. Take the time and make the effort and don't take forever to work up the courage. Read books about it, get life experience, and learn. If you really are that much of a nice guy, you shouldn't even have to announce it. Show it through your actions and be good to yourself and you'll get what you want.

[hisangel]

In my case, yes it was a fear of intimacy but I didn't know it. When I was younger, I just thought that nice guys weren't as "passionate" as other guys.

I have never liked the "bad boy" in the sense of the guy who doesn't return a call or cheats or cancels dates. I have never found that sexy. That is just a waste of my time. I always liked "hard" guys. I didn't mean that to sound dirty, I just mean, I was always attracted to men who said about 2 words a day and worked more roughneck jobs. So I was with men who were very dependable and commitment but I never got any emotional intimacy. I definitely think I dodged that. Cause when I found a guy that wanted emotional intimacy I freaked out. It was like a push-pull game for the first year of the relationship cause it terrified me. Thankfully he stuck it out, as good guys do.

What I wanted to say though, is that I know you are discouraged now, and it may take time but I truly believe good guys end up in amazing relationships some day. This is just my opinion, based on what I've seen, but I think the reason for that is that good guys go so well with women who have been really hurt by life. Whether she just gets beat down by life or whether she has had terrible relationships where the guys messed with her, she gets to a point where she can't take much more cruelty and that's why you are perfect for her. You probably don't have a cruel bone in your body. And so she just completely sucks that kindness up if she is ready for a relationship. It usually makes her adore you and you are just over the moon to be shopping and movie watching and spending time with the woman you love. Plus, I think that is a good guys dream relationship on some level cause a lot of good guys have very romantic fantasy lives and they think there is nothing more romantic then being the one to put the pieces back together in the woman they love's life (you can enter your "ahhhh" there). Also, she loves it cause she needs that love after a lot of years of not getting it. I don't mean to make it sound unhealthy. I actually think they make the most touching relationships and are probably the closest thing to a movie romance we see in real life. But don't fall for the girl you have to fix. Don't fall for the stripper or the drug addict cause I think good guys fall for them cause they have so much compassion they want to help her and show her that no one can love her like they can. What I'm talking about is a woman who is slowed down my life. She doesn't need a guy to hide the Meth from her, she just needs someone to be kind to her.

I just have to say, you remind me of a friend I have with your "ahhh nothing better." I cracked up when I read that cause he always did that "ahhh" when romantic things were brought up. He is married to a woman who adores him and has a baby girl now. So don't give up hope.

[heartsonfire]

Wow. you sound so cool dude, honestly. keep it up. Please don't change, there are girls out there who deserve someone like you.

speaking for myself... as a girl who is almost always attracted to the classic "hot bad boy", I will tell you this.

Those bad boys promise us girls all the things you just said. Only difference is that YOU really feel it. YOU really are it. Becasue of that, you probably wouldn't tell a girl all that you feel until you guys are pretty close. you probably wouldn't just spill all that to a girl you've only talked to a few times.

Bad boys don't actually care that much. So its not that big of a deal to say all that emotional stuff, because if the girl turns him down, it wouldn't really hurt. So they say it all right away. Make up all the things they know girls want to hear. Where the good guys -who have much more at stake- don't say that stuff right away in a friendship.

Bad boys appear fearless, strong, loving, because they aren't risking their hearts. But they are in fact, terrific actors who appear to risk it all.

and of course, as others have said, every girl hopes that she'll be the one he really falls for. We all know the bad boys are douches who are very bad for us. But the ones who fall, are the ones who are desperate to feel loved. desperate. so desperate for intamacy, a close relationship, and everything the bad boys promise. They're too desperate to wait and invest time in a good guy who holds back saying how much he likes her right away, because he really does.

speaking from experience on that one.

Like, right now... there's an AWESOME guy in my life. I'm not sure if he likes me though. He's perfect. a really GOOD guy. I love him. But I don't know if he likes me. He always wants to hangout when I run into him at the mall (where he works). He's taken a 3 hr break from work before to hangout with me. even missed a client that time. He invites me to hangout 3 times a week sometimes. But he still isn't doing anything. its been months now. So I'm at the point of getting tired of hoping and waiting now.

and then, I've got another bad boy... I've known him for years, and had a crush on him before. We started talking again recently... and I KNOW he likes me. I KNOW he wants me. And here I am. Thinking I should forget about my good guy. because it hurts to hope for the best, when it feels like its going nowhere. I don't like my bad boy nearly as much... but I'm so lonely and desperate lately... I feel like settling for the one who would at least pretend to love me. And -here it is- maybe he would actually love me. Maybe he could.

sorry for the long rant haha

[v0nDutch]

no, we prefer the bad boy because we want intimacy.

imagine like having to pick and choose between a good girl that's relationship quality but is inhibited and shy, and a girl that's a hypersexual nymph. honestly, which one would you go for, like hands down? the hypersexual nymph of course. nothing about her sex drive suggests she's not relationship quality, so given the choice between sexual and relationship satisfaction, the good girl checks of yes to relationship, but no to sex. the nymph checks off yes to sex, but uncertain to relationship. the possibility of finding a girl who sexually satisfies you and satisfies you emotionally, appeals to your hope of having the perfect relationship. Since this hope has been eliminated by the good girl, since you see her as practically asexual and thus can see yourself having a less than enjoyable sex life with her, the nymph still leaves room for hope, and so you prefer her over the good girl.

it's really the same thing with good guys and bad boys. the good guys are overly-emotional. they think girls don't think about sex, and if you start to get physical, intimate or sexual, we're going to burst into flames and eat you alive. the good guys open doors, act like gentleman and all that, but when it comes to touching, kissing, or initiating anything sexual, they're just awkward and weird; because they're inhibited. when the guy is inhibited, it makes me feel inhibited, and we don't end up doing anything. but I want to do something, with someone who's uninhibited and makes me feel comfortable and safe just letting go and feeling free and uninhibited myself. that's where the bad boy comes in. he's uninhibited. and in my eyes, it's not until months down the relationship where I'll discover he's an @sshole or jerk. but for right now, if I had to pick between the inhibited and uninhibited guy, I'd pick the uninhibited one, for the same exact reason you'd pick the nymph over the good girl.

great sex is really like a top priority. and we don't want to have to make a tradeoff between either great relationship or great sex; we'd like to have both, or at least hope to have both. so when the good guy pops up, it's like, oh great, your textbook asexual gentleman. when the bad boy pops up, at least we know there's sexual chemistry, from there on, we have a reason to want to get to know more about him in the hopes that we find the full package, great sex, great emotion, a great relationship and financial stability.

it's not girls' fault for preferring a relationship with a guy where there's great sexual chemistry. it's your fault for having certain beliefs about women, that are causing you to be inhibited when you're interacting with girls, and killing any and all sexual chemistry between the two of you. naturally, any girl's interest in you would fade to zero, and she'd look for a guy that's uninhibited and she can feel comfortable being sexual with.

[fiesty2009]

You sound like a great guy :) (not talking about the look part either) Have you tried going for woman a little older? I don't mean 10 years .. I mean just a few... they have grown out of the "bad boy" phase that most girls tend to be stuck in. You seem to be more mature emotionally and ready for a commitment when ,maybe, the girls aren't looking for that type of relationship.



I am in a relationship and we are best friends so don't worry about that - best friends + lovers : relationship , okay? But one thing you must do is be yourself and express your own opinions and do not be afraid to be a "man". One thing that attracts me to my man is well... his masculinity . He doesn't agree with me about everything and me not with him but we talk about our disagreements and laugh about them. He watches my comedy/romance movies and I watch action movies (and yes I do enjoy them).

Also I think it is cool that you want to help your girl pick out clothes... just tell her "wow you look hot - would love to see you in that when I pick you up"... feelin' sexy/wanted is awesome.

And all people are different but try to be patient and keep your eyes and heart open. Just PLEASE do not change who you are for any girl ... :)

[Anonymous]

Take her to a lingerie shop or to a guap club like the "one-tweezy" because what you said sounds to me like you're living in an Amish community... Thanks though now I feel like I've had deeper relationships with all my bitchz. You gotta let your wild side out because trust me all them bitches no matter how prim and proper got one! so look out...sounds like she's rearing to use you and lose you...

Heres my suggestion...

Go out and buy her some lingerie clubwear

call your bitch tell her you gonna pick her up

Pick her up in a black stretch hummer -T-pain and Maino, Dre, The game playing on the stereo.

Give her her gift you bought tell her you wanna see it on her right now...there ain't nobody looking

Take her to a bitch ass club with loud music

Sit in the back and order some cris

Go out there an dance with dry hump style

Take her to a hotel and have sex

After you're done do it again to her in the bath tub and make sure to give her a creampie.

If you don't do this and go all out she leave ya bro because she jus gettin too bored.

Peez

-James "Julius" Tarletons

[jeeperss]

wow, you must be a heaven-sent. and I agree with you, or what seems to be your hypothesis: girls seem to go for the bad boy. I've personally romanticized the notion myself, but really, when I do actually meet "bad boys" in real life, they strike me as trying to portray a too cool image, which just annoys me. and yet, I find most girls DO like the bad boy thing. I don't know why. I've always disliked it. it shows immaturity to me, and a lack of intelligence. as if getting yourself into trouble all the time, etc. is anything but pointless self-destruction.

also, I agree with rachie123, girls our age, I'm 20, don't really know what they want.

i was in a 3 year relationship with someone a hell of a lot like you, and he was wonderful, but after 3 years I couldn't do it anymore. I wanted to see what it was like being with different people. sometimes, he was TOO wonderful, and it made me feel like I was a horrible person/gf in comparison.

i hope you do find someone who appreciates how amazing you are (seem to be at any rate). You are what every girl says she wants, and yet goes to some bad boy instead. Perhaps you should play the hard to get part at first, so that when you do get into a relationship, they feel as if they tamed you or something? I don't know :S

[Bvroon]

Don't be too hard on yourself, I know exactly what you are talking about and for us few nice guys out there we will keep marching on to our anthem song "Everything you want" by Vertical Horizon. I have spent more time than I care to admit trying to figure out the whole bad guy mystique only to realize that bad guys are well bad and eventually girls get tired of being treated poorly and they seek out nice guys. I honestly don't completely understand it, I think the too good to be true theory is pretty much spot on. I also think that the girls that seek out bad guys do so because they are fairly disposable. I mean who is going to beat themselves up because they are buying up so to speak. It's easy to justify leaving the bad guy because he's bad. Imagine a girl leaving a nice guy, and forever kicking herself over it, and always wondering why she left him etc.

The one thing I always tell myself when I start to really worry about the big bad guy question, is take a look at these bad guys, especially as they age, while not thier counselors they don't really stike me as a really happy group of men. Remember the candle that burns twice as bright only burns half as long. So stay true to yourself, pace yourself, and I can assure you, you will come out ahead on this.

[troamundos]

I think our society is confused. For instance we mistake sex for love. We mistake a beautiful person for also being nice, trustworth, or smart. We mistake a poor person for being a lazy person. I think women who are looing for a strong man (which all women are) see some kind of strength in "bad boys" and mistake it for the maturity and strength that characterize a real man. Hollywood adds to this confusion. They'll often have "bad boy" as the hero, and he also protects the heroine from some danger, or proclaims undying love etc...its as if the two go along.

As for initimacy. All people long for intamacy; to be known faults and all, and yet loved. However, all people are afraid to open up to ridicule. I don't know that in this case the two correlate.

As for "bad boys" getting further/closer/more physical with girls, that's just because they push. I've heard that its girls that draw the line in a relationship - this far and no further. but its guys that push that line. Society used to scorn a man for asking for sex, now I think it scorns the woman for being too uptight if she says no. I bet if you just reached out and kissed girls or put your arm around her or went further, yeah you might get slapped back, but you'll find someone who won't. That's all those "bad boys" are doing. They're just pushing for more than you do.

My advise: don't change who you are. Nice and easy does it. Hold back from that momentary roller-coaster relationship that feels like you fell in "love." Hold out for something better, a relationship where you find someone who actually wants to get to know you before you progress to the next stage. And I can tell you, that kisses from a guy who I know/love/respect are so much more romantic/satisfying/turn-on than the exact same kiss from a guy I'm just trying out for the week. Don't get discouraged. Somewhere out there is a girl who just can't stand how pushy and fast guys are "these days" and is looking/waiting for you.

[xEllenx]

i'm 17 and I have trouble finding guys like you ! I have so many 'bad boys' after me but I just have to stop myself from getting atached to them and thinking they could be summin special or I could be summin special to them and they become so predictable and I know every time they'll stop talking to me after the first week because they all just want 1 thing and when they realise they arnt just gunna get it like tht they move onto the next girl so I try to stay away from those sort of realationships because normaly they arnt meaningfull and I dnt want a meaningless releationship. I like to have long term realationships for example my ex just broke up w ith me after 3 years of being together. And I think one day u'll find a girl who actualy apriciates you for being a genuin nice guy who actualy loves her for her! I know that's what I keep trying to find but I like gd guys but at the same time I like them to have abit of cheek in them and show they can have abit of fun and a laugh and joke with me and have abit of a wild side to him but also when I want him to be there for me and just have a romantique side and a loving and caring personality.

[lace_and_leather]

I for one always go after the bad boys for the exact reason you mentioned. I am terrified of intimacy and a meaningful relationship. Falling in love for me is just not an option. I want to have options open to me at all times. I'm kind of a bad girl myself anyways.

Although there is nothing wrong with having a preference to liking bad boys more than good guys, I feel like a terrible person. One of my best friends is practically head over heels for me and all I do is take advantage of his kindness. I will call him and talk to him about how I feel or ask him for advice about the bad boy I am currently stressing over. It's so unfair to him and I can tell it hurts him. I have no idea why I do it.

In the end, I want to settle down with an amazingly good guy. However, karma is going to give me what I deserve and all those great hearts I broke along the way are not going to want me back. So be it; I am selfish anyway.

You sound like you would make out to be lovely boyfriend material. Don't give up or get discouraged about getting a girl. One day, hopefully sooner than later, a good girl you truly deserve will come around and you'll be happy! :)

[tsarinaofhearts]

You sound like a nice guy.

The only thing I can say is that it can be really hard to find someone whom you click with. Whenever I get guys who like me, they're either too talkative/too in to themselves, or not my type (personality wise) at ALL, or an acquaintance I know that I can't stand being around. And the one guy I actually liked wasn't interested in me at all. :/ So there are a lot of guys AND girls going through the same thing. Don't be disheartened.

My only critique of what you wrote is that... it comes off a little bit like you could be a push over. I'm not saying that's how you actually are, I'm saying that's how it SEEMS. And you want to make sure a girl doesn't think you "seem" to be a push-over. As others have said, be nice to her, but don't bend over backward for her, or drop all your plans for the day just for her.

Good luck! ?

[crook3dminds]

I'm sad to say I like those "bad boys" ... I think women are becoming more and more independent, and they like guys who look like they're not going to need them all the time. It sucks for the gentlemanly, nice guys.

Most of us know that the "bad boy" is less reliable than the good, sweet natured, quiet guy, but there is something in them that we can't help but fall for.

My only advice for you, is to loosen up, you don't have to treat women badly, but you can become more adventurous, more outgoing, and become a little harder to pursue. if you're making yourself so readily available, no girl is going to be intrigued enough to want you. Girls can tell which guys are desperate, which are totally cool, and confident.

[MaxPrime]

To be honest a lot of it is you. You are treating these girls like they are on a pedestal. This will immediately make them respect you less and then the attraction will soon disappear from you. You got to be the man. Treat them just like any other girl. They are only human and that's how they want to be treated. If they can see that you "love" them when you haven't even kissed them yet then they are going to run. The only way they will respect you is if you lead with confidence and not with a high school boy mentality trying to win the girl over like the chick flicks. Respect them of course but don't be a push over.

-MaxPrime

[motocat]

Maybe you are pursuing the wrong type of woman -- the vamp that all the other guys also go for, and who is having a ball shooting so many down. Or, maybe you just need to liven yourself up, have more fun -- be a little risky, not such a goody two shoes. Girls like to have fun -- nothing wrong with that. At the same time, I think most American women are flakes and not worth committing to --- for that, consider women from Eastern Europe, South East Asia, or South America. They will appreciate your efforts much more, & are more feminine. Have fun times with the American girls, but don't take them seriously. If you are not willing to leave the U.S. to find a good woman -- well, I guess finding one is not that big a deal after all.

[xoSilverTiger]

You sound really amazingly sweet. There is nothing wrong with the good guys. In fact, there need to be more of them.

All the boys right now are so hyped up on sex or being mysterious that they leave a girls feelings in the dirt.

For you, however, it's a matter of finding a girl with the same interests. Maybe you've secluded yourself to one area (say campus or whatever) and need to try something new to meet people there. There are many people looking for a slow and solid relationship without having anything expected of them. You just maybe have to expand your horizons and find them.

((by the way -- could you possibly move to my area and bring a few brothers/friends like you? lol ^_^ best of luck!))

[nicoletaylor8604]

Girls who want "bad guys" pretty much know that they are going to get screwed over & they love it. I don't know how it works but it does, They want to save or "change" him. Its dumb.

Trust me don't go for the girl that wants a bad guy! YOu know why? Because she WILL screw you over WITH or FOR the bad guy. My best advice, don't change who you are, be the outgoing caring sensitive fun guy you are, and one day you'll meet her, and she will love you more than words and never stray or break your heart.

[Anonymous]

I don't think it's fear. I think it's usually a blend of shallowness and immaturity. They see something in these guys that they find appealing and attractive (confidence, an air of danger, financial success, strong sexuality, or whatever), but then feel bad when he turns out to be a poor candidate for a long-term loving and committed relationship. At the same time, you are out there looking for the "7" when a really wonderful "5 1/2" might be someone who could really love you and treat you well. Look past the surface, and you just might find a girl who is capable of doing the same.

[hkygirl]

girls that want bad boys, are clinically retarded. I don't mean to offend anyone in here but I mean let's get realistic here. let's look at the characteristics of a bad boy. he ignores you, probably mentally abuses which leads to much worse things, he'll criticize you lowering your self-esteem, I mean let's get real this guy isn't a bad boy he's a jackass.girls need to be with a guy like you, someone who will treat them right, not throw their emotions around like a dirty sock. these guys are unhappy with themselves and always will be but for some reason a lot of girls find that attractive: \ I promise you, you'll find her.it sounds like you're more mature than your average male at your age. (atleast most that I've met and known of) most guys are your age are going to keggers and looking for "no strings attached" or the one night stands.i promise it finds you when you least expect it;)

[hellotokyo]

You're what most girls are looking for if you're not being a doormat that is. Going to the very very basics, girls seek the Alpha male...The guy that's going to protect them the most...So the toughest most assertive guy on the block.

And yes in that thinking that does mean the bad boy...But times have changed drastically since the caveman days, and though sexually and stability wise girls seek a guy like that...girls are very nurturing and caring naturally and also seek that in a relationship. You have described what most girls would love, but you can't be a doormat.

[rachie123]

I think you sound like a great guy! I'll be honest with you. Women like a challenge and as much as I hate to admit this and/or say it...if you were that sweet and open upfront it would probably turn me off. I would think you were 2 good to be true and not being honest with me. I don't suggest you turn into a super jerk, but a little mystery always keeps the fire going. If you get a text, maybe you shouldn't text back right away (not days and days...but maybe 15-20 mins). Girls your age aren't 100% sure what they want, but they know what they don't want. With the bad guy they can dispose of them more easily then a good guy. We date bad boys because the point of dating is to figure out what you DON'T want. When you settle down it's usually with the one you DO want. Hope this came out in a way that makes some sort of sense! lol.

[SkinnerOne]

Nope. They want the excitement. The danger. I have learned that with a great number of woman it's all about the risk.

Then there is the ego part of it. Just think... How damned good a woman she would be if that bad boy gave up his nasty ways just for her! I mean wouldn't THAT make her some sort of super woman?

I have learned to recognize the girls and woman that think like this and go for the bad boys. There is no changing them and if you think you can then you are as delusional as they are.

Conversly though, I will NOT tolerate these women's whining about how bad "all men" are either. More than once I have unloaded on a woman over this and it's NEVER pretty.

[idolanne12]

Um where can I find a guy like you? lol! I think the saying goes treat em mean keep em keen, honestly I hav no idea why girls like the bad guys, sometimes like me they don't know they are bad til its too late, mind games that some guys play are very powerful especially the ignoring texts thing, we want things we can't have,we wonder why he hasn't txt, doesn't he like me, then when he does its exciting! no this isn't the right move, I am seeing a guy that texts me back every time he gets the chance and I love that. Sometimes it could be about changing the bad boy, haven't you seen the films where bad guys go good because they fall for that one girl?! its stupid because you shouldnt want to change the person ur with. and then there's sometimes when they are afraid of a deep connection