Guys, the only men that women usually ever want are the ones who don't want or need them. True or false?

[TruthBringer]

It's all reverse psychology when it comes to women. Women dislike men who chase them and show desperation. They want that strong man who knows he can live without her and isn't scared to put her in her place or dump her whenever she crosses his lines. In their eyes, THAT's the man who is of higher value. There is a reason why nice guys finish last. It's because the men who pedestalize women and revolve their life around them are often ones who lack self-esteem, lack ambitions and are living in a scarcity mindset.

It is no secret that men who got options and see women as an extra rather than a goal are the ones who have it much easier to attract women. That's why men have to focus on developing themselves and women attracting women will be much easier.

Out of all the simps in 1 room, the guy who doesn't give a fuck is the one who will stand out the most to her. Even on this website, I've had girls who post "how do I look" pictures enter my DMs because I don't give them validation. So they leave all the dudes who lick their asses and focus on the guys who are not. In real life, it's no different. The time I stopped giving a fuck about women like society has indoctrinated us men, is the time I really started to be successful with women.

And gentlemen, asking women for dating advice almost never works. Often, they give you ingenuine advice.

Remember: Don't ask the fish on how to catch fish, ask the fisherman.

[Syrian_survivor]

Not all women, but mostly true

Such men being happy and strong while being single gives off a very strong "lone wolf" kinda vibe which is very attractive to women, the man can easily provide for himself financially, mentally, and emotionally, he's independnat and doesn't need anyone else, super attractive in my opinion.

Women think that's really attractive, and sometimes they want to be with that man because of their selfish desires, something like "He's happy providing for himself, I can jump on the wagon with him so I feel happy and fulfilled too, right?"

Luckily, such men are already mentally strong enough to not fall for such manipulative women which is why they don't want them, some of them do fall though, and their life turns to shit because they didn't know any better

[hellionthesagereborn]

Sort of. Women are looking for a leader, and if your pandering to them they assume your not leadership material. Imagine your manager going to you looking for approval, asking if he has done everything okay etc. is that going to inspire confidence in you and make you respect them as a manager? No. Women are the same way, whether women acknowledge it or not (and most will not) they need you to lead them, they need you to be in charge that is what the are looking for which is why they want a confident man. They need you to do those things to feel secure and safe (again, no different then if your manager was prone to panic or constantly asking you if everything is okay etc. Your going to seriously question their ability to lead).

[guesswhoseback]

Women have a very low tolerance in men for neediness or insecurity. Even if that neediness is a genuine desire just to be in a meaningful relationship. Something that is very human for most people.

To be fair this turns guys off as well. But we usually give women more leeway than vice versa just as long she isn’t completely psycho and we find her at least semi attractive.

But the female sexual pull on guys has an expiration date that ends much sooner than vice versa. A 40 year old male who is financially well off, good looking and still in shape will overall have a much easier time finding dates with attractive younger women than vice versa. Father Time is the great equalizer with all of this. But feminism is trying to fight that tooth and nail so women have ALL the double standards. No rock left unturned.

[Jjpayne]

I think that's partly true... I think there is something about being too desperate vs causally wanting more connection with someone. I think it also plays into smothering a girl or being controlling. Something like that. But of course girls want guys that want them back though

[hahahmm]

I have seen firsthand how the same woman will treat a guy like trash if he worships her but practically salute and say, "yes, sir" if you don't worship her. Lot of guys are desperate and don't even know it. But women are good at spotting that.

[ChrisG30]

Yup, this is why women can't find a man to settle down with too. Imagine living a life where you genuinely want a relationship but every women bitches and complains they can't find a guy to settle with but yet, they dont even notice you to begin with.

It's funny to see what women would vote here, they would of course deny all of this. Either they deny it or dont actually understand this is how they feel attracted to men.