
"Aside from unfounded assumptions, I have no idea where you got those ideas. And I find it very troubling that you'd suggest that, and I encourage you to quote me stating or indicating such."
Independence have nothing to do with living with my parents. You do not know my situation nor are you living in it so, I highly suggest you please keep your mouth shut.
So what I am seeing a lot of you so-called men are not interested in taking care of a woman. You're interested in using a woman because that's what makes you feel good about yourself. But in reality you can't take care of them.
Everybody is entitled but not everyvody has entitlement. I have worked hard all my life, and still do. I'm not going to be involved with a man who's going to not only mistreat me, lack the efficiency to do what he has to do, not going to love me and truly respect me for me and not so much because of what and who I am as a person, and then try to play God. Where are you doing what you got to do? What have you been raised and taught? Unless your an abuse victim like me, yoi know nothing about me or my life intimately or personally except what I share. I wouldn't want to be with somebody like yourseld who doesn't respect or appreciate me. Men who treat women like that are not healthy.
I work hard for what I have, I still do, I like the idea of earning things, and at that point I do not need a man to try to tell me what I do and don't deserve. Nor a do I expect a man to do it for me. You say you want that in the women and yet you call her lazy. So honestly just stop.
Being strong have nothing to do with just being physically strong, and being independent isn't about not needing the help of others. Is knowing how to have balance in your life and appreciate what everybody brings to the table. We are not living in those times where women can afford to be weak and always dependent on a man. If so then she will end up dead. Better for a woman to have at least a courage to pick up a gun to defend against her assailants and protect her children, then a woman who screaming for help and then no man wants to help her because they figure is not his problem or they're too weak to do some. Don't tell me about being entitled.
If your heart is not correct, if you're not emotionally healthy, if you don't have genuine loving care, I don't care how so-called physically strong you are, or how much money are you able to bring to the table at that point. No one wants to be involved with a man who's going to make her miserable. And complain about what he has to do for a woman.
Physical strength is a genetic quality that runs in my family. You want to see me for how I'm born because I ain't so weak to the point I'm so frail? There's something is seriously wrong with you. If you insecure men are so low in the dumps, then you need to be with a disabled person who's extremely frail, that can't take care of themselves, that actually do need your support. And I'm not telling you just officially use them simply because they're disabled. I'm saying if you cannot appreciate a normal woman who can make her own choices regarding what to do with her physical strength, and what she needs in a man, do you need to be with somebody who you can actually feel great about. Because you pretty much shaming normal women. And back in the day plenty of women wear a lot more stronger than women are today. They had Healthy nutrition, the environment was healthier, and that includes genetics. We women today on nowhere close as women centuries ago. As neither are you men. So I highly suggest you learn to appreciate women. There is more to a woman as it is to a man than physical strength. To be honest you sound like a weak man regardless of how many muscles you got or six pack. If you're weak in spirit, if your weak in heart than you are not the kind of person for me.
You are who you are trapped. So if you're attracted to women like that and want to try to stay or she has to be submissive, you're not looking for submissive women. You're not looking for a woman not being strong or feel the need to be independent. Again Independence does not mean not meeting other people. These days you have to learn not to because what's going to happen when you're by yourself and you have nobody? That's exactly what happened to this woman that lost her husband years ago. She was like so much a husband of doing everything, she didn't want to do no work, now she has nobody to help with due to work. And she's rich as her husband, because when he died the money transferred to her. She doesn't know what to do. Be at gardening, cooking, fixing things, because she's not independent to do what she has to do. That is not helping, nor is it healthy. As others have said and I may not always agree with them. If you are not prepared to handle the major responsibilities as come with that, and the quality of life is getting harder for everybody, you're going to get so frustrated and go to wish you never had to be involved with a woman. It's easier to say you want these things, it's another to actually be in a position and actually doing it. You sound like somebody who does not understand the serious responsibilities of being in a union with somebody else. And sadly you got the maturity to see that. At your age I was taking care of my mother who is sick with cancer. I was working. I was not doing what you're doing.
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Things I had to do at your age at 21 many of you would have simply placed the responsibility to somebody else. So don't shame me for supposedly not being independent, and then you want to shame me for being independent. Life happened and I didn't ask for this. That doesn't mean I don't learn to adapt, and live life. So be happy, thank God you're not going through what I'm going through, and live your life. Stop taking it for granted because you don't know what you may have to go through. It's selfish of you to ask if such women and you cannot be responsible. You have a poor misconception about strength and Independence.
If I wasn't strong, I would not be able to lift 6 to 9 heavy grocery bags by myself. If I was not independent, I would have God forbid been starving in the streets many years ago. If men were more confident today, if men were not the way how they were, many women would not have to feel the need to do everything for herself. We've been telling you this forever. And you men today still don't listen. Action speaks louder than words. Until we start seeing it, plenty of women are not going to believe it. If it's not being shown to her, a woman is not going to waste her time. Stop asking for things you can't be responsible for.
Where was the guy at when he saw me dealing woth sexual assault, with his smartphone smirking and then walking back inside his home! He's a strong man. Didn't bother to come and mediate the problem, see if I was okay, nor call the cops! Just stood there smirking! Goes right on the phone telling whoever on the phone what happened and thinks it's funny! I was "weak" then. Were is he? Where are you! So don't give me that BS.
Asker, to be honest with you. You are not helping your case. It has nothing to do about leaving room for men to provide the question is what is your intent? If you don't have good intentions it won't matter to a woman. If she's not being treated and respected for her for God's are what you say you want she is not going to want to be with you. He may have took it a little too far, but he has a point. We are not your past and we are not your child. We supposed to be your equal. You may be the head, but neither are we are the tail. Why is a woman only decent when they are okay with not wanting to be strong independent? That is the question. You said you find a peeling but why do you find that appealing because it makes you feel like a man? You're either a man or you're not. You should desire to take care of them in regards to see strong or weak, independent or dependent. If you have no desire to go by that to any woman who does not have what you want, then you don't need a woman. A woman is a woman. God is in control. Remember that.
Again, what is your intent with a woman? You need to stop making assumptions about a woman because you're not helping your case and you're proving the other user to be correct.
@AFellowWeeb I have issues with you people. And I am just done with people who are a hindrance to having a better life. If you're not going to contribute, you're a hindrance to a person's future. Simple as that. And what is worse, you KNOW this and don't give a damn. That's why there are 3 women agreeing, 3 men not. I know who is who. Good men don't treat women like that.
I know why you do. You want to feel in power and control because in the end you hate yourselves and feel like you have no control in your life and aren't sexually desired. I know. I've seen it since as a child. A woman is drawn to a man for his soul and heart and who he is. Not simply your physical or just your money. If you don't know how to take care of a woman. You men that say you want decent women, can't take care of them, especially emotionally! How many times do I have to hear my friends crying on the phone because the same men that I warn them NOT to bother because they want to be taken care of and protected are battered and hurt emotionally, spiritually, and psychologically? Gives things then wants them back. They can no longer tell the difference. I have issues with the lies. You're not doing what you say you ask and desire of a woman for such a woman to be attracted to you in the first place. Little girls know no better. Women do and aren't naive or stupid. Wake up, gentleman, your not getting any younger.
@AFellowWeeb Who are you to tell me to shut up? Ladies, you want to date a man who tells want to STFU? Yeah. Picture that happening. Showing true colors.
Ladies, take notes! A man who behaves like this is not a man! They whine, complain, and ask what they want but they want to curse out women? You do not want to date a woman who acts like this. No matter what the reason. Don't let a man disrespect you. And you respect a man regardless. If they treat you like this, they're upset about what is truth. You owe it to be with somebody who won't treat you like that. Leave the boys alone. Their problems are their own and need help.
@AFellowWeeb No, you need to stop being an a*hole. I don't know where you get that nasty behavior and attitude from, where you get the idea that cursing at people is okay, or treating people poorly because you don't like what is being said. But you're proving me right. I do not need to know you personally to see what kind of person you are.
If this is how you try to resolve problems, especially with women, your toxic and need help. And I seriously mean it before you abuse somebody.
Understand how your speaking to me is how you will treat your partner. Really evaluate yourself.
Report what? You need to seriously stop. You got issues and you need help. You don't like whatever, stop commenting on my feed. Simple as that.
Which part of my post mentions a family women?
And if my post doesn't mention family women, is there irony behind your claim of fallacy?
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What's Your Opinion? Sign Up Now!Men like it when they pay the bills and take care of their women that's why we were born. It gives us confidence and ambition.
It’s one thing to like being a provider, but that’s not at all what this thread is about. Otherwise it was poorly stated if that’s the intended angle of the original poster here.
The poster asked a simple question and had a meaningful direction hebasked because he is searching for someone like that, as for my comment it was for you girls
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a man who wants to be a provider, but understand that you’re going to have to be making a lot of money. And where a lot of men go wrong these days is that they start to resent women who don’t contribute financially when they start to realize their salary isn’t enough.
@callmemad If that's the kind of relationship you want, that's fine. But wanting someone fully dependant on you and insecure, like OP said, is creepy and suspicious.
Anyway, yeah, traditional relationships still exist nowadays. You just have to find a partner that wants that.
I want a woman with ambtion and confidence but at the same time i want a woman that wants me to protect her physically and financially
@callmemad Yes, but @MzAsh specifically asked him if he wanted a woman that was insecure and can't do much for themselves, and he said yes. That's mad sus to me.
But yes, I do like your perspective even if it isn't my own. Everything is 50/50 in my relationship. If both partners want that lifestyle, it's most definitely doable. I've met women that prefer being stay at home wives while their husbands make money and they are happy and have a wonderful marriage.
It's that some women (feminists) think dependence is related to insecurity and weakness while men don't.
Insecurity and low self esteem is often related to codependent relationships. It definitely was for me, and my early relationships suffered for it. Men don’t seem to realize how dependent women can drag a man down until it’s too late. Y’all are lost lol
@callmemad I think to assume what happened in her relationship based off of your own behavior and preferences is misguided, though you may have well intentions.
Based off of what I'm reading, I don't think she is changing anything. Just describing her experience, which is pretty common in the realm of dating, especially in dominant/submissive roles etc. There are plenty of healthy relationships like the one you explained, but a lot of people have had shitty experiences with partners that tried having that same ordeal and ended up in an abusive relationship. I don't know if that makes sense but 😂
Callmemad, your worth in a relationship is not relative to her dependence or independence. All women will have strengths where you’ll have weaknesses and vice versa. Being a good leader means knowing when you take a back seat when she wants to handle her own on a task and she does it well.
I read only a small portion of this conversation, but if you guys feel as though there is information in this conversation you think I should see or address, let me know and I'll read it in full.
As for @Kas19 's question, I don't particularly want her to be insecure, though I do find it a little cute when she is so some extent. But insecurity isn't particularly what I'm looking for. I want a girl who is dependent and non-strong because I think delicacy is beautiful. It instinctively inspires a desire to protect her, keepe her save, provide for her, and make her life better than it would have been without me. I love to take care of my romantic interests, I find great fulfillment in doing so. The more helpless she is, the more I can provide for her, make her life better, and take care of her. Also, helplessness is just really cute. 🤷♂️
No, I didn't say or imply that. I said things like helplessness is why I find it appealing. I can provide for an independent girl, but I can provide more for a helpless girl. An independent girl rarely needs assistance with anything. With an independent girl, you can think of both the quality and quantity of my help and what I provide to be significantly less. And perhaps I am simply over-analysing, but I couldn't help but feel like there may have been a hint of passive-aggression in your last response to me, and I hope that from this point forward you feel as though that isn't necessary.
we really do want a woman like that, why would i want a feminist naggy unclean bitch in my house when i can have a weak girlfriend who i can protect and love for the rest of my life and provide her she can have all my money i ain't no weak.
exactly thats why many men wanna marry young childeren. because modern woman have become too ''independent'
No. Men who want weak and infantile girls because they are too weak to be a true partner to an adult woman with her own capabilities.
And many of these types of guys don’t want someone they can love and take care of. They want someone they can control, manipulate, and deceive. That’s why independence is so threatening to them.
Yeah you guessed it. why would i wanna have a dominant woman both in her career and pyshicallity. id rather have me a ''weak'' woman so i can be comfortable in my masculine skin.
never i would never abuse woman that i take care of. this is something the media has pushed in your mind to think like that sadly...
Of course not, but when one fits a personality profile they usually follow patterns predictably.
nope sometimes women see a woman getting abused all the way in philiphines and think every man is like that eventough they are from Russia maybe.
They are bias if they think all men are like that. There are good men out there. You just have to know what to look for.
no you can look for anything its ultimately in the hands of men still. you can never say u have to look for good man because many woman think they found a good man till he show his true colours. this is why dads and brothers come in handy to sus the guy out completely..
I’m just saying there are certain red flags and green flags women should recognize. They should have high standards and firm boundaries. Low value men will reveal themselves within this process.
no there's not. are you a scanner lol. you can never find out if guy is good or bad trust me. its up to you my advice is to help you in life not to block you, but that's a die hard fact is up to the guy in reality..
guys know guys so let your male relatives sus him out
I haven't read anything besides MzAsh's response to me, but you could use the same logic to say that any woman who shaves her legs or armpits wants to look like a child. But we all know that's not true. Just because an adult has a quality that a child typically has doesn't mean there's any correlation between adulthood and childhood in that regard.
Perhaps I’m misunderstanding your intentions then. I suppose I should assume you understand that a relationship is not an authority and subordinate.. but a partnership, with give and take, freedom, flexibility, and compromise on both involved. Of course, you could be a protector and provider, but for as long as it please her. Meanwhile you’d respect her opinion, wishes, decisions in the relationship.
Absolutely. I may tend lead but she wouldn't be my subordinate. We'd be partners, a unit.
thats the problem. financial freedom second problem is oyu being ''submissive house wife'' can you not be both?
In today's world? No, not really. You can be one or the other. This isn't just a men problem, it's a women problem as well. But since I'm dating a man, I will use this as an example.. see I am a submissive house wife. I also work full time and take care of all three of my children, as well as all house chores and cooking. My boyfriend works full time as well but refuses to go 50/50 with anything, including money. He loves spending money and playing video games. So when I want to buy something, he will say we dont have the money or tell me to put it on my Amazon wishlist for a later date. He gets to buy whatever he wants though. He even holds onto my debit card. Why? Because he likes having the financial independence but where I take on the role of the housewife, he acts like that is my only job. My ex was the same way. You can't be both in today's world because there will always be somebody who tries everything in there power to prevent it.
i just want a woman thats not a submissive housewife nor financially independent. i just want her to be herself is that too much to ask for.
ur boyfriend should be the provider. let me tell you something a lot of women dont know this about men. it is the fact that you dont really have to work as a woman caus if you have a man than use him for good. trust me if he man enough he would not care
western women are becoming more masculine by the day! no wonder why we western dudes go for Asian or small looking girls in those countries. to exercise our masculinity in a good way.
imma find me a cute small Asian chick i can love for the rest of my life and provide for.
Not to be flirtatious, but I find that very appealing. I hope that one day you can find a man who can take care of all of those things for you.
Though I personally don't think women 'should' be anything, aside from what they naturally would be (even if that means that doesn't align with convention or standards).
I lean left and I have independence and I love it. I’ve had a sheltered childhood and had to slowly crawl out of a dependent lifestyle. It didn’t serve me well at all. In fact, I might even be dead because I wouldn’t have had the finances or self confidence to pull myself out of toxic relationships.
Oh, the usual feminazi answer, "harsh criticism against female filth = incel". Pathetic. Go slap yourself for being this stupid.
Bro go start a family , im far from a feminist but you really just sound like these red pilled idiots and that's not my fault
No, your brain is simply too small and weak to accept certain criticism so you tag it as "incel", "red pill" and such feminazi bullshit. And that IS your fault.
Too small to accept criticism? I don't need to be criticized for a damn thing in regards to this topic. The way you worded your comment gave off incel, that's all. So sorry your big grown self had such an issue and now you feel the need to talk about my brain as if you personally know me. Like i said you're too grown😬😬❤
I'm going to have to agree with Shady on this one, except for the "red pill" part. Your comment definitely came across as incel-ish, and criticizing it isn't feminazi-like. You're just expressing an abrasive opinion, and it's met with similar criticism.
So, harsh criticism against female filth = incel, according to your rules? That's just too bad. I used no generalizations nor did I demand sex on account of existing in my parents' basement, so no, nothing "incel-ish" here. You two are your parents' problem, not mine.
No, harsh criticism of women doesn't equate to incel-ish behavior. Hateful, harsh criticism of women is incel-ish behavior. Your use of "pathetic," here, is the main culprit. And your incel-like demeanor isn't dependent on whether you generalize women, demand sex, or live in your parent's basement, it's dependent on your seemingly hateful outlook on women.
I believe you confuse "incel" with "mysogynist" (which I'm not either, you see, I do not "hate" women alone, but specific human qualities that exist in all genders).
And I believe you don't understand that there can be, and often is, overlap between an incel and a misogynist.
yep its natural for woman to feel loved. and its natural for guy to give love. see we are different after all!
I've spoken to several women who either don't want to be or are content in not being. Is it male of them to say that as well?
So that there's more room to take care of her and provide. It's kind of like when people help random people, it feels good. But if nobody ever needed help, nobody could ever feel good from helping since you simply can't help anyone. I feel similarly towards independent women.
Alright, nevermind. I just read your other comments. You're a sick psychopath who wants to control, manipulate, and emotionally abuse his girlfriend. You're a disgusting piece of shit. Fuck off.
@Kas19 Plenty, certainly enough to understand their nature.
Now, I understand women like you don't like to acknowledge your submissive nature, but let's consider the kind of men most women are attracted to and turned on by. Are they submissive guys? Nope. Are they even average guys? Nope.
Women love and are turned on by dominant, strong men who are natural leaders. In fact, it is scientifically proven that women are most attracted to men with the "dark triad" personality type, because those men have a dominant nature and are natural leaders. Do women love those guys because they are wamsies? Of course not. They love those men because they are DOMINANT men, and that's because women are submissive by nature.
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Oh no, I can definitely say I like to be submissive at times. It really just depends on my mood.
I'm attracted the big muscular guys (like you mentioned) because sometimes I want them to dominate me, and sometimes I want to dominate them.
I'm also attracted to soft sensitive and maybe less "masculine looking" that you're describing. But the same rules apply, sometimes I may want this type of man to dominate me, and sometimes I'll want to dominate them.
I still might be a little confused, what do you mean submissive and dominant? Can I have your perspective on those things?
@Kas19 What I wrote here applies to the majority of women, but not all. Most women are not interested in dominating a man in bed. It doesn't appeal to them and it would feel unnatural, forced and awkward.
Most women want a man who is loyal, trustworthy, competent, confident and will take charge and lead the relationship, not just in the bedroom but elsewhere as well. But many women struggle with cognitive dissonance about that concept because they are pummeled with messages all the time that being submissive in a relationship with a dominant man is sexist.
But if they are honest with themselves, deep down most women wish they could be with a good man who they can trust but who is dominant and leads the relationship, but treats her with kindness and respect... treats her as his equal in most situations but takes charge and leads the relationship.
In short, for most women, the perfect man would be dominant, but competent, loyal and trustworthy... a good leader, provider and protector. And to most men, the perfect woman would be submissive, but competent, loving and nurturing... a good mother, wife and lover. That's the way our human DNA was programmed. As I said, there are exceptions, but what I've said here is true of the majority or men and women.
Hmm, I suppose that makes sense. It sounds nice in hindsight but I'd get tired of it. I want someone who's similar to me. I like taking care of my man and I like him taking care of me. I take the lead at times, and sometimes he will. It really just depends on our area of "expertise."
But yeah, I don't think wanting to be with a dominant man is sexist. Whatever floats their boat 🤷♀️
But then complain that women don't want 50/50 and how men are expected to be providers ... okay
@shadyresidence yes because they are far better. They will never be gold diggers and will always bring some value to the table besides sex.
That I feel good about helping and making someone's life better, and I feel fulfilled as a man, boyfriend, or husband.
If I like ice cream and someone takes a bite of my ice cream, would the remaining ice cream no longer be fulfilling?
No, of course not.
But the more ice cream I have, the more fulfilled I am.
@crmoore I didn't get it. In this case what is the "bite" on your ice cream represented by?
The bite represents her making her own money. Her being independent in one aspect doesn't nullify the entirety of my relational fulfillment. She can still be dependent in many, many other ways. That being said, the more dependent she is, or the more ice cream I have, the more enjoyment or fulfillment I have.
That makes no sense. Why does that tak s part of your ice cream away? If anything it should give you more. Because she is also more.
Having a girl that provides for herself just isn't his preference. He wants to he a sugar daddy boyfriend and that's just what he likes i guess
It does make sense because the ice cream thing wasn't supposed to be an accurate analogy of every aspect of the situation, it was an example used to illustrate how if I like something, such as dependence or ice cream, having less of it doesn't make the rest of it unfulfilling, like you implied
If I have 10 scoops of ice cream and someone takes one away, leaving me with 9 scoops, I will still find fulfillment in those remaining 9 scoops. If my girlfriend is dependent on me in 9 ways but not dependent on me financially, those other 9 ways are still fulfilling.
You asked me if I'd feel unfulfilled if she makes her own money. The response is no, I could still feel fulfilled since financial dependence isn't the only form of dependence present in a relationship. But since she is less dependent on me I would inherently be less fulfilled. There's a difference between being less fulfilled and being fully unfulfilled.
And yes, Shadyresidence is almost completely correct. I find enjoyment in providing and bettering the life of my romantic interests, but I don't personally consider it similar to being a sugar daddy (though I could be wrong).
@crmoore we all have our preferences. That is yours and nothing inherently wrong with that.
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