I like your logic it’s exactly what im thinking the only reason a girl would lie is to get pregnant. I’d wear a condom anyway just for protection of STDS etc.
sorry typo should read at front *some girls lie or forget to take there birth control regularly*
again typo end should be *can buy them online and even have them autoship you new ones*
I'd be super suspish at that point and deffo call for a dna test.
I read the condom was the most effective contraceptive? Or are you counting surgical solutions too?
@Smegskull Alone, as regularly used by humans, it is 80 percent effective. In PERFECT use: correct size, no slippage, no imperfections, it gets up to 90 percent. Used with BC film/foam, it's about 95-98 percent. The film/foam is the backup for condom misshaps. With a 10 to 20 percent failure rate, I'd want additional coverage. Condom is most effective at preventing common STIs. It's not the best contraceptive. It is far better than sperm and egg roulette. Consider the odds: If an operation has an 80 percent success rate, and it's a life and death operation, your odds are good. If a birth control method has a 20 percent failure rate, and failure means you'll have to rear, educate, feed and love someone you do not want to rear, educate, feed and love, and who you'll have to help for the rest of your life, then I'd want to have added insurance of the method not failing. Male tubal ligation is more than 99% effective. But it's only reasonable to have after you've decided to stop having children since you've had enough. It's better to do this in your 30s after serious consideration.
My argument isn't that surgery is unsafe it's just I'm uncomfortable with considering it a contraceptive as it implies that abortion could be a form of contraceptive.Good point that the human error factor is not included in the quoted effectivity for contraceptives though... Things like puncture during application, forgetting to take your pill, etc can't really be measured during tests.
@Smegskull Actually those things ARE taken into consideration... Surgery is only a path if you're absolutely sure you'll never want children or you've had children and you don't want more. But I never wanted a child till I was 37. And it took me another two years to finally seal the deal. If I'd sterilized myself at 25, it would've been a horrible mistake. Love my son. Good man. But there are some very young people who might be candidates. I loved my parents, had a great childhood, great opportunities and wanted to do the same for my own child. What's fun is that he's told me about many memories I made for him I didn't think he'd remember. So I know he had fun too!
@smegskull abortion is a contraceptive..
Academically yes but it's a bit of a sociopathic direction and I'm trying to be more human not less.
@smegskull what do you think of plan b then?
Nothing. I'm English.
Levonelle is legal in UK
Is that morning after pill?
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Money baby trapping. Well yh we could wrap it up but the problem is "I hate guys who lie to me for sex" "why do guys just want sex no romance" how do we know that condom is not poked with holes by this girl who has gotten close to us. This is why we don't want to get to know you we want sex thats it no closeness no possibility of her going through my condoms or stuff or my personal life. Also sperm count once it goes down doesn't mean it is gone forever sperm is physically made like ergo blocks it isn't a copy of a copy of a copy etc.
Sweetie, if you limit the fertility of the sperm, it will have lasting effects. You can't just pick and choose one batch that won't work. Not to mention, that's not exactly birth control as it only slightly lowers the risk whereas womens depend on the fertility cycle and can be safely assumed a pregnancy wouldn't result. If you have a dick, you need to provide your own condoms. I'm not asking you to come over and hand me my birth control pills so why would I hand you your condom? The only way you can be 100% sure that you're being safe is to take charge of your own protection. If you have some attachment issue that makes you justify using women for sex, that's fine. Just don't come over and say it's because they want to 'money trap' you.
Limiting sperm has no lasting effects sperm has one function. If anything it would be better because more nutrients like zinc can be used for the body rather then sperm reduction people are associating all of these side effects because of hormonal changed truth is we don’t know that I haven’t read a single science report confirming mood changes etc from hormones you can’t physically test emotions. It’s not the case of you owning the condoms it’s when you come over find our stash and when were not looking god knows. Money trapping doesn’t come from that it’s when you can’t risk yourself. As a girl you wouldn’t get in a car with a stranger neither would a guy because 9/10 chance wed get kidnapped or in this case risk getting baby trapped.
I'm sorry, did you just really say hormones have no effect on emotions? I'm honestly astonished at the level of stupidity you've stooped yourself to just to try and be right. While emotions can not be poured out and physically measured, they can be measured through observation. For some reason, you're convinced women want to go through and find your secret supply of condoms - honey grow up. I can guarantee no woman wants to fumble around in the dark just to find a few foil packs. Comparing consenting sex and getting in a car with a stranger just doesn't work. First of all, they're nothing alike. The sex is between two adults who have usually talked beforehand or have some sort of relationship. Getting in a car with a stranger has no prior contact or relationship. You're also wrongly assuming they would kidnap you. What makes you think that 9/10 drivers what to kidnap a grown adult? Would you consider yourself one of those people or are you one of the lucky 10% that isn't into it? The likelihood of being kidnapped is very, very low and even lower for the 'baby trapping' you're so badly wanting to be true.
I did indeed funny I was thinking the same thing because you see I come from a medical background and know all of this emotions are controlled by serotonin etc primarily. These levels were tested and found no change. Hence the only cause was psychological change it doesn’t matter what you say ir think it’s word of mouth and susoectibility to bias. And im sorry love but let’s not pretend to be above our age here I have grown up and as a grown up am aware of what women can do in the real world your a minor who cannot even drink alcohol legally your doing yourself no credibility just making yourself look like a stupid brat. And if you did research you'll find many cases of woman going through mens condoms putting holes in them. As for the rest of what you said it doesn’t make sense you need to read what I said again no where am I talking about sex in a car with a stranger. And like I said we won’t talk to you or get to know you etc were not putting our lives at risk. Maybe when you grow up a little pumpkin then you’ll realise real world issues till then i’d stay in school let the adults handle this.
Yeah, and I'm studying psychology and already have a school lined up for college. Just because you're older doesn't exactly make you smarter. For one, you can barely spell things right and some of your grammar is atrocious. Not to mention, being of your medical background and all, you should know mens brains don't fully develop until the age of 25 whereas women mature at 21. So really, neither of us are really adults yet, are we? Sure, maybe you're a big boy who went off to medical school but you know who also gets into medical school? Literally anyone who wants to. You're not special regardless of what mommy and daddy told you. To be completely honest, the thought of you being anywhere near someone who is dependent on you for help, is terrifying. You can't seem to realize that maybe, just maybe, women aren't out to get you and that type of thought process will only hinder your work. And that is all assuming you're a med student, or graduated, and not some guy who decided a 'medical background' could pertain to even the most basics of healthcare. In the process of doing research, you can find literally anything. Want me to pull up some pages on why women are better than men? Or how about how men are more likely to slip a condom off? I mean, really I could find sources for anything because that's how the internet works - it doesn't even need to be factual. And by the way, if you back and read my argument against the stranger argument, you can make perfect sense of it. In now way did I say the stranger situation was involved in sex at all. Maybe try reading fully before replying?
Because youtube is always, always true and especially through shows filmed for TV. www.popsugar.com/.../ampwww.rebelcircus.com/.../thinkprogress.org/.../jezebel.com/crazy-condom-puncturing-control-freaks-are-often-men-5456218
A good friend of mine who hanged herself last year, was conceived via her mother tricking her father. Stop being retarded by pretending things like this never happen.
How does her suicide have to do with that? I mean, is that some form of trying to get me to pity agree with you? I know some woman might do that but the guy is arguing that all woman do it and they don't.
You said why would a woman lie about the pill, and I've given you two examples why.
It wasn't a serious question, it was more of a 'why the heck would someone want to'. I don't understand how someone could go that low and I think its unbelievable some do.
Well it's the same the other way; very few men would trick a woman into getting pregnant, but it does happen. That's why women can take precautions for that, both intentional and accidental.Men just want that same option to protect themselves.
@Daniel3035 You should read the study about male bc pill test, in short one suicides, one attempted suicide and long time to regain fertility (more than 50 weeks), one of the didn't recover it at all. Combining about 50% drop in libido and depression. Yee, that kinda ended tests.
Both of you have some learning and understanding to do about some of the thing's both of you did claimed 😉
Ummm psychology has nothing to do with clinical trials etc I studied pharmaceuticals at university I know a lot. And the rest of your answer is one controversial ie practice what you preach when you start acting like an adult and me the minor two I could also give you some serious research papers about actual testing but you wouldn't understand the terminology or the numbers so what's the point?
That video is a radio decide it is precedent if you don't know what that means it's law case law being made as a psychology student you should've done some law. Irrespective of that being a YouTube video it is physical proof of my claims if you can find a guy getting a girl pregnant by slipping it off ie in case law I'd believe you but it doesn't happen common sense if you don't want a baby you'd put it back on.
@Janncis I read the lab report the only 2 associated is libido and apparently headaches? One attempted suicide and about 2-5 ? did not regain sperm count. The problem with some of these is the experiment cannot comment about "external factors" contributing to it whereas a majority did not experience what they did so they're checking now did they do something wrong? Or was it personal life issues?
@Daniel3035 in that case there is a new study. I read report with figures i provided. And if it was new study, than i presume subjects were hand picked to avoid prievius study downfalls. And if that is true, then bc pill have a long road ahead to be even close to been on market.
Guys, just look up vasalgel. It's the most promising male contraceptive in development.
@David_Kek I've heard of that really hoping I comes out soon right now the bloody pharmaceutical gurus are blocking them because they know its good and loses them money.
@Janncis It could be the deputies are very discriminatory. But at the same time things can accelerate very quickly if you meet certain criteria. It's the case of if this happens we will skip this part if it doesn't an extra year. So it's very hard they always say it will be a long road because they can't say well pass the extra criteria.
Granted it's been about a year since I've looked into it, but i heard there only thing holding it back is the development on reversing it/getting it out completely. With a current 40% success rate for reversing it on animal trials it can't be far off, but either way these thing still take time, like 10 more years.
@David_Kek In a sense yh that's why and the reason why? Because fear of lawsuits if they mess up millions in money to be lost per person enough people could turn them bankrupt and they also have a deal with female pills so if girls stop that mean less money for them. Those are the two big issues if more people pressure them though they will give in a company is better than a bad reputation.
Not an unjustified fear. The feminists of the 1960s jumped up and down demanding the release of the pill, so they did about 15 years too early, and shit loads of women ended up dying of breast and cervical cancer because of the stupidly high doses back then before they really knew what they where dealing with.
Or alternatively, people could just stop being retards and taking things that fuck with their hormones.
Or alternatively you could support all the kids born from people not fucking with their hormones
That makes no sense. Especially when people can use condoms. It's just so strange to me the way people think like this, like this should be normal when it causes so many long-term health problems.
Hey, you preaching to the choir, though condoms have issues too.
That's true, but to me that's preferable to causing long term damage. A male contraceptive pill was tested out on a group of men, and all of the men quit the test because of the side effects. The side effects were just the same as the side effects of the female birth control pill. So because of this, many women basically said that those men should "man up" and put up with those side effects. Those pills contained a chemical to prevent sperm production, and because this chemical lowered testosterone they also added in synthetic testosterone to prevent ED - since low test leads to ED. Steroids are also testosterone based, so it was pretty much the same thing as taking steroids, only with a lower dose. Men who take steroids also get these same side effects. When a guy takes steroids/testosterone the body sense that it doesn't need to produce anymore testosterone, so the testes shut down. If they take them and their testes shut down for long enough, they don't work again properly if at all, leading to low testosterone, infertility, and reliance on testosterone replacement therapy for the rest of their lives. That's why it's illegal to sell and take them for non-medical reasons. If those men did just "man up" and put up with the side effects, that's what would happen. The side effects should tell those people that they shouldn't be taking those things in the first place. It's the body signalling that something is wrong. That's why I think it's retarded.
All that, eh? Just condoms isn't enough, so what is your recommendation instead?
I'd say that it is enough though. I've always used them and have never gotten anybody pregnant accidentally. If they're used properly they work just fine. When they fail, it's usually because they're too small and they break, or because they're too big and they slip off.
You would have us suffer because you suffered?
Wikipedia gives two condom effectiveness rates. One for proper use, and one for improper use, per year - The most common cause of failure with improper use is: Didn't wear a condom that time. If you can wear a condom every time, you're safe from the most common source of condom "failure."
@englisc You are 28 years old. That is not a lifetime use history. You are not with one person having sex regularly. If a condom was all you used having sex three to five times a week for 20 years, I get your failure rate would rise because of many condom failures or failure to use a condom period because of familiarity, wanting to have unprotected sex etc. You are highly motivated to NOT have unprotected sex with casual partners. That would not be the case with a longterm, committed partner. And many men after have two or three children have their tubes tied so they'll never have to use a condom with their spouses. I took pills for 20 years with no pregnancies. I got off them to become pregnant and my cycles returned as normal. Since I didn't have a regular partner after my divorce, condoms and film/foam were my go to s. And I had no failures after that. But i was having irregular sex. I don't think those are rational, viable choices for longterm, fertile couples.
They wouldn't be hormonal pills for us. Change our testosterone levels doesn't makes us infertile. They would have to be something way worse more similar to chemical castration
@ThisIsMyOpinion Well, whatever pill they'd create for men shouldn't change their testosterone levels. That would be a mess. THey'd lose muscle mass, their libido would be affected. BCs for women didn't affect our libidos and when you discontinued, your fertility rebounded. Would also affect erectile function. That's no good either. Those side effects would mean men wouldn't WANT to or be ABLE to have sex. That's certainly perfect BC. But not a desired side effect. A male pill should be able to disable sperm chemically. Chemical castrastion technically means a man can't sexually function, period. As the medicine they tried on rapists did. The goal is to disable the sperm but not testosterone. Men's plumbing is very delicate. So it'll take precision engineering. This is not exactly analogous to what women's pills do. They trick the female body into thinking it's pregnant so an egg can't implant or an egg isn't released. A men's pill would have to render sperm unable to reach an egg. THe only way to HALT sperm production entirely seems to be to affect the testes. They are analogous to ovaries. And women's pills do perform that function with general success and high pregnancy prevention. But we are talking billions of sperm vs one egg a month. It is a daunting task!!
When you talk about it like that, it makes applying spermicide to a condom seem way simpler than getting the testicles to temporarily produce unviable sperm.
I mean that's not really what I'd call nice? So just because you got corporally punished so should we? I would of thought any kind individual would want to protect the young from the bad things they experienced themselves.
@Daniel3035 Well, the world isn't a nice place. I'm all for the creation of birth control that doesn't have so many hormone side effects for women or detrimental effects for men, but at the same time, I'm tired of "Can women be trusted to take it?" First off, if women are so untrustworthy, there needs to be a male bc. Nobody asks men to change their hormonal balance for whatever reason, but it's like it's an expectation for women, like we're solely responsible for pregnancy. We have to be in charge of bc, but we can't be trusted to make our own health decisions? It's double standard bullshit. I stand by my original statement.
@Screenwriter yes it would be a daunting task, even more since the idea is to make the sperm not reach the egg for the time the pill is used not permanently. To make something with short lasting effects and no damage to the reproductive system is really hard to make.
@Boppy KILL THEM! KILL THE DAMNED SPERM! HIT THEM! BURN THEM! BEAT THEM!!! YEA, AND EAT THEM! Forgive me... I lost my mind...
@Boppy It COULD be magnificent if a male prophylactic did kill sperm production for a 24 hour period. Taken orally, with a one hour delay. Means you have to plan sex a little, but a 24 hour period would be a great achievement. You wake up brush your teeth shower, eat your breakfast and take your pill at lunchtime because you're meeting Jill for an early dinner at six. You see her at 6 are back home at 830 and trysting by 9. You could meet for an early lunch the next day at 11 and get a little noonday thrill. The 24 hours is assured protection. I wears off so that by 28 hours after usage you have practically no protection. The pill would not protect from STIs, so for casual sex it gives pregnancy prevention. I would think if it was doable, like that, men would FLOCK to use it because some women might not be truthful about their BC use and a man KNOWs he's used protection.
@Screenwriter 0.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Pi1fljNyY
@Screenwriter I think that sounds like an excellent idea! The 24-hour pill I mean, not the violent semen smashing. Sounds like a lot of fun, and the need for a bit of planning ahead can make even a quick one-night stand require at least an hour of foreplay and consideration. Also, any unfortunate side-effects could be temporary, compared to inescapable if one has to take the pill for a month before seeing results.Speaking of what you said about burning them, I have heard that heat can effect fertility (that's the reason why testicles are external, to cool off, right?). Perhaps the answer is roasted nuts.
@Boppy I was looking up information about the heat issue... But unfortunately it not only kills motility, it causes DNA damage, which means a viable sperm could get through but be extremely damaged. You don't want that. Yes. I had a momentary sperm hate rant. You only need one or two in your entire reproductive life. Forgive me. It was memories of the fear of sperm. Those billions of little devils. Men and sperm! You are both devils! Run away, run away!!! AAHhhhhhhhh... But on the other hand, we lurf you, we loof you. We lill you... and all your reproductivity. Ah. The human animal!! I'm having fun!
It's not the case of you mistakenly forget to take it it is the case of a woman who purposely don't take it to baby trap a man. Whether people say trust is an issue like a pill is different im here just for random strangers.
Well the good thing would be that you're covered in ALL scenarios...
To be honest, I don't understand sperm hate or love. Makes me a little anxious, but you do you."Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew"
@Boppy Well, if a woman wants to repopulate the world with her children, she will love sperm in all it's variations... If she is only committed to replacing herself... sperm are dangerous... And if she wants to be childless... well... put em in a stew... It takes all kinds and it takes very few procreating humans to keep the planet in equilibrium...
I don’t think it will be an issue for you low sperm count doesn’t = low sex drive the biological pathways are different it depends on what lowers the sperm but I don’t think it’s an issue.
While 10-20 years ago I would agree today and the way girls are today I wouldn’t trust her without it. Today you have girls who give you signs you approach her and she says no sorry you “misinterpreted” me (funny my ex girlfriend did exactly the same thing and she said yes to a date) why she said no was because that’s what girls today like to do when you chase them it gives them entertainment self esteem and when they reject you they feel great about it. Imagine if you slept with a girl like that snd there's a fair few and she goes im pregnant give me your salary for the rest of your life.
Yeesh. The world just keeps getting shittier -_- and the laws reallllllllly need to change.My sister pulled that, using her kids as a paycheck crap. Its despicable.
Oh god the law lets not get into that the amount of bias there is immense. It literally is girl purposely gets pregnant court doesn’t punish her rewards her for the crime.
XD i’ve considered robot women too.
What if you use condoms but you are concerned because a condom could break?
I don’t get what your saying all over? Only condoms protect you from a STD yh but the question here is only safety regarding women lying about being on the pill and why would a girl do that to get you pregnant.
omg well done you ! That's incredibly brave to do that at least unlike her when they grow up they'll always be by your side in old age you never abandoned them they will never do the same.
Not a mans job to be on contraceptive he ain't the one who gonna get pregnant
My do I asked this question before but I associate this question mainly to feeling safe from a girl lying about not being a pill studs fear etc is a realistic option but our focus is just fear of lies.
Tell me where girls like this even back in the 80’s? I sometimes wish I was born then no phones just socialising the only reason I would never is because corporal punishmyexisted and no one is touching my bum.
That's a little unclear question...BOTH kinds (liars, as well as 'good' ones) can be found all over the planet; throughout the 'ages'.
I mean that’s why we test it? So we test it and you find no issues what’s your opinion?
there's always problems very rarely is any chemical needed for the body to work. And most prevenative pills like birth control just end up screwing up something in the body.
I agree. Condoms are stupid.
Condoms are really good! What are you talking about?
... 🧐 a homo I don’t get how that happens?
we did but the issue was those side effects were like for a small minority of guys. A few guys are sterile but it doesn't appear to be part of the injection because if it was all of them or at least 50% would suffer they think it's something with it. I would be willing too anyway because when it's my time of the months I get those things regardless.
The impotence would be the main factor, what's the point of a male contraceptive that leave the guy impontent
I can make explosion while flaccid.
It's tricky and very weird because sperm doesn't copy each other sperm is made from the food we eat so as long as we eat food even if we had 0 sperm it would still go up so their impotence is very weird it's did the injection do that or was it a matter of time?
We already made one it’s the bloody stupid fda and their regulations they’re very biased because losing female contraception = losing money.
I don't believe that is true. However, I have no doubt that it is something the FDA would do since basically they are in bed with big drug corporations.
I’ve had the pleasure of working with them they’re very unorganised and scared to gets things wrong so they triple check everything hence lack of money and it takes soo long.
Oh the pill won't protect you at all a condom will always so I'd wear one even if there is a pill but just for the sake you don't use a condom based on her word would you feel safer.
If she had the pill and so did you 100+ effectiveness.
Realistic side effects like low energy would be one stuff like low libido emotion issues appear to be related to psychological far as I know research wise because according to actually chemical reactions with testosterone the pathway doesn't interact with serotonin etc
The last 2-5 men became infertile because of other factors those normal men were fine. It wasn’t the contraceptive that caused more enhanced it. I seen the report on it.
Lmao well only the elite ones even with birth control you still gotta remember to take it.
I mean can you hold out that long XD ;@
I’d be happy to deal with side effects personally just a pill or gell im happy and feel safe.
I’d wear a condom regardless but just in the case of your not doing it with a condom.
Nope I thought It was cool back then to use a rubber band and a paper clip as a substitute
A rubberband and paperclip? How does that work?
It doesn't I was joking around
Ok I was that sounds more painful than it is productive lmao.
That's a bad thought
Slut shaming is stupid...
@Faint slut shaming is stupid but i ain't gonna respect a slut whatever u say
Slut shaming can be good sometimes lol
Never is a good thing. I don't care what y'all think, it's always going to be stupid.
You don't think women should have boundaries regarding their clothes?
Start hoeing like women? Why would that be bad
I mean a lot of us men want sex but were not in a position to be committed financially were still human and have needs so why's that a bad thing? If I dated you I would be playing you in a sense.
@Jesse0 no I go by the don't like it, don't look motto. The only time I judge clothing is when people under or over dress for the weather, especially when they complain. Plus we are human we fuck for pleasure and reproducing, I don't care if others like to endulge as long as they aren't spreading disease and are being safe. Plus the more we slut shame the less likely for others to learn anything and are afraid to try new open ideas when in committed relationships. I like experienced partners not people that just lay there.
@Faint I disagree with all of that
@Jesse0 then let's just agree to disagree.
@Faint I disagree with that too
@Faint Joking. Haha 😂
Maybe my comment was disrespectful lol but some guys are dog and they just fuck random girls so in my opinion , a birth control method for guys would make it easier for them to fuck anyone with one having to worry about them getting the any girl pregnant. Of course that doesn’t remove the chances of getting std but there guys out there that don’t care. 🤷🏽♀️
Sorry for the typos 😅
Yes boy-friend never trust a bitch.
Lol your response is hilarious and I applaud you
I mean in marriage wouldn't the option of temporarily sterilising yourself sound more appealing then basically mutilating yourself permanently?
I'm only speaking for myself. Not having a relationship or marriage, so no clue.