This meandering yawn boils down to nobody likes fat girls? Did I catch your meaning?
@DorkVader Incorrect. I didn't make any kind of judgment of fat women, per se. The question is "why do plus size women have a hard time finding a man?" and my response boils down to "calling fat women 'plus sized', in an attempt to be less insulting, doesn't suddenly also make them more attractive." Changing the terminology doesn't change reality.
... So, basically what I said before.
@DorkVader I get what you're trying to do. I state, in so many words, "it's a matter of terminology" and your response is "so, if we're just swapping one word for another but keeping the meaning the same, then we're still talking about fat women and how nobody wants them, right?"No. What I did was put forth an establishment premise, that "plus sized" is basically just PC terminology for "fat" and how that is the case. The conclusion I actually reached is that "'plus sized' women, because they are still mostly considered fat, suffer a negative attraction deficit" and that "plus sized" is used as a label in place of "fat" to remedy this problem. These conclusions--"plus sized is used to rectify being called fat" and "nobody likes fat women"--are the same on their face, but they are actually very different. Your conclusion is results-oriented because it is calibrated exclusively towards the effects of the label, whereas my conclusion is inference-oriented because it draws attention to the association between the term and the implications of its utility.
Ah, I see. But many plus sized women AREN'T fat. I think "plus size" is an industry term and a misnomer. Plus size starts at size 12 now, and that's about a size large in the US. But not necessarily an indication of obesity or lack there of. Saying someone is plus size to pretty up whether they are fat or not is an incorrect use of the term, same like saying plus size women are "curvy", as curvy is another industry term meaning women with a small waist and wider hips, still not necessarily fat.For me, I look for truth in dialogue and I'm interested in using accurate terms so people don't misunderstand me, not necessarily displaying my intelligence on a social media forum to say "Fat women are less attractive" or "Plus size is a misnomer". You can dress it up how you want, still means the same thing. Or you could simplify it, and we'll see wtf you're really on about.
@DorkVader "Plus size starts at size 12 now, and that's about a size large in the US. But not necessarily an indication of obesity or lack there of."Okay, so it's bigger than average but not a synonym for "obese". Unfortunately, because Americans (I'm from the U. S., it that wasn't clear and I point that out because I'm pretty sure G@G is a trans-national site) are stereotyped as "fat", that doesn't give me much to go on besides "not thin".If you search "plus size woman" on Google Images, you're gonna get results that look like "large"... probably because they are, but since I don't know as a point of reference how "size 12" translates into a BMI, I can't tell if they ARE average for American women or bigger/smaller."Saying someone is plus size to pretty up whether they are fat or not is an incorrect use of the term, same like saying plus size women are "curvy", as curvy is another industry term meaning women with a small waist and wider hips, still not necessarily fat."It's only wrong if is applied frequently to people whom it is not applicable, although then we'd be caught between the fallacy of mass appeal and linguistics. Even though, if your claim is correct, it is technically incorrect to use "plus size" as a replacement for "obese", it is correct if it is used that way frequently-enough to supplant it's intended purpose--sort of like how a lot of people use the word "literally" to mean "figuratively", to such an extent that the antonym of its definition is now its default meaning in common vernacular.Also, yes, curvy women ARE technically "fat", I will not dispute that--the main difference being where the fat deposits are located. There's a reason every celebrity cosmetic surgery results in a boob job and/or a butt lift, but not one of them on record has (intentionally) resulted in a muffin top.
"For me, I look for truth in dialogue and I'm interested in using accurate terms so people don't misunderstand me, not necessarily displaying my intelligence on a social media forum to say 'Fat women are less attractive' or 'Plus size is a misnomer'."Okay, then we're sort of on the same page. I don't go around spreading misinformation if I can help it (we've already got enough ignorance through "fake news" in the world; no need to add to it), nor do I intentionally use social media to make myself look posh and VerySmart (TM). While I will be the first to admit that my style of prose has a very highfalutin/academic vibe to it, that is simply how I write.If I were to take the two statements you wrote and put them into logical sequence it would be, "If A) [implicit] 'Plus size' = 'fat', i. e. B) [explicit] plus size is a misnomer and C) [implicit] 'fat' = "bad' or 'non-appealing', then D) [explicit] Fat women are less attractive". We have to assume "fat" is somehow unappealing, because just saying "plus size is a misnomer" to conclude "fat women are less attractive" does not follow. THIS is why "nobody likes fat women" was neither my premise nor conclusion. You might (and did) conclude that because I imply 'fat women are less attractive than average women", but "less attractive" =/= "unattractive".
Well, size doesn't exist in a vacuum and this is why women's sizes are such a shit show. I wish we dealt in measurements like men's clothes. But we can't deal in averages, because everything is subjective
@DorkVader "I wish we dealt in measurements like men's clothes."Do not tailors and makers of women's garments deal in measurements? Is not a "size 12" based on some calculation of 12 units of something or a set body index, or are you saying that we take some arbitrary amount of fabric that FEELS like it should be a "women's large" and call it "size 12"? Because if it's the latter--which I can't imagine being the case, on account of the dysfunctional, uncoordinated the logistics involved are--how do women even know what sizes to look for? Is that why women spend so much time clothe shopping, because they have to play a game of "guess what frame the tailor was using" every time they hunt for new wares?"But we can't deal in averages, because everything is subjective"No, that is most certainly NOT true. While there many sizes of women, there not A LOT of sizes of women. There's a reason we don't see people who are two-dimensional or the size of skyscrapers: human physiology has known limits and the mean of those limits, measured across multiple demographics and accounting for many factors such as age, height, race, etc., determines what we can expect the average to be like.
Well, in the past x amount of years, the sizes have gotten larger, necessitating the need for things like size 0 and 00. Any woman can tell you, especially jeans, you have to try on because the size varies between brands and even style and cut of the jeans. They fuck around with women's sizes all the time. Literally. All. The. Time.
@DorkVader So, it's not that they don't use standard size metrics or that they just eyeball the production, it's that the size constraints change so frequently that yesterday's "large" is today's "medium", and it's a guessing game as what manufacturing standards are currently in use and which company is using it. If that IS the case, then the more relevant question is "what is the time scale between standards transitions?" If you imply "all the time" to be every couple of months, then it would follow that the merchandise is constantly moving in and out of inventory without warning and the effect of this continuous rotation is that you don't know what to expect when you go shopping.The other interpretation of that statement is that they literally making it up as they go--a strategy which can work in niche venues but doesn't scale well, so that's probably not what's going on. If we're talking big box retail--and we are--it would have to be the former and not the latter. There is no way to maintain a large chain of retail clothing stores or brands that throw everything out and start from scratch in the fourth quarter. That doesn't make sense logistically or economically.
Still it's not a bad thing to do excerise and eat healthy
It's a bad thing to think it's ok to judge anyone's lifestyle by their size, or to try and make yourself feel better about your own faults by attacking people
When did I ever attack you , I'm fat as well but I damn well that's it's bad to be fat I need to exercise very day to get into shape And you can fix yourself by doing the same
Who says I'm broken? What if I don't view my fatness as a problem? What if I view it as just my present status? I'm fat, I'll handle it when I'm ready. My healthiness or lack there of is no one's to speculate upon, but mine. Now I'm not saying you were attacking people, but a lot of the people in the comments WERE being deliberately rude and nasty. Finding fat people unattractive doesn't give them the right to be insulting shits about it. They need to mind their own business
Me telling people to mind their business on GAG = pissing in the wind
Thanks for MHO
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Honey booboos mom lost the weight tho. Hit her up.
*fat rich men
@Nadim171 the point is making such a point without the rich part and then let people figure that out without having to say a word but to show some real examples. I think it's a more effective method to convince the readers.
a**partner not my lol
I have, but it's often a fetish or strange, Freudian thing. Like if he had a fat parent/grandparent he admired.
Dating up in race. Yeah, sure, buddy.
@GreatnessBack Just generalities, sorry if they don't fit into your cute little PC worldview.
My brother in law is white and fit, and is married to my half sister whose black and heavier. And I'm white and a bit overweight, but my blasian boyfriend is way underweight in a way I'm not particularly attracted to (nor is he to my extra fat) but we love each other so that kinda thing doesn't even matter.
@mattdzz, I'm sorry your generalizations only fit your non-PC wanabe world.
@GreatnessBack So the PC world is the real world? Don't make me laugh.
The real world is that your thoughts and opinions, as well as mine, don't matter... at all.
@GreatnessBack Congrats, you've spoken without saying anything. Cheers.
Why don't women like plus sized guys? lol
Sounds harsh but true.
attractive* and to clarify I just mean as far as my preference goes.