Ok I am in support of not shaming people who carry more weight but some posters are shaming skinny people. Some skinny people are naturally skinny, have a high metabolism and have a hard time gaining weight. I had some self esteem issues about be super skinny with no curves when I was young.
Lmao. “It’s everyone else’s fault that they’re fat” 😂
Thanks for MHO
Fat shaming is the problem, not the answere.If someone wants to lose weight they will lose weight, shaming people because of the way they look is stupid.I lost 40lbs not because I listened to some retaded people on the intrent. I did because I felt like it.
Shaming is an issue but being ok with being obese is an issue as well.It's unhealthy to be obese and should discouraged, you can discourage people without shaming them.I disagree with the idea that obesity should be considered acceptable.
No one was talking about being obese. I talked about people who are in the 26-29 area of BMI, work out regularly, eat healthy and live their life normally
BMI is a bad scale. It has so many flawsVisualization is a better scale.Not everyone has to be super thin or average but everyone should be working to be a bit more healthy.
Oh yeah? I work out 4 times a week, eat healthy and lost 40 lbs. Still fat shamed. Why? Because of looks.All people see is looks, thats all.
If people put you down for slight flabby arms or legs or a bit of a fat on the stomach.That's too harsh, the only thing you can do is ignore them.Everyone has an idea of what's too fat/thin yours may be larger theirs may be thinner.You can't avoid all judgement. Some resilience is needed.
I happen to be 178 and 5'5 (but somewhat muscular)But people allow themselves too much and people here are almost too radical like someone here really said that 22 bmi is fat 🙄How you live your life, this is what metters. Not the number on the scale.
BMI is useless, I thought most people knew that. Bodybuilder have high BMI because muscle is heavy.Resilience is a good trait to have though. I haven't look up my BMI because I just don't care. I'm not unhealthy, I do exercise, if someone called me fat I really wouldn't care.
I mean I am pretty chubby, chubby yet muscular. Thats just who I am. I eat healty, I work out and I am chubby.
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This is correct.
You do realize that many skinny people eat just as much as a fat person does but they remain skinny because they have such a ridiculously high metabolism?
Thats a myth that's been debunked many times.
Um, I used to be one of them? I tried extremely hard a few years back to gain weight cause I hated being skinny and no matter how much I ate (I would eat more than my dad at dinner time even though I was only 16 and he was a slightly overweight 50 year old), and I still couldn't gain any weight. So I have no idea what kind of 'debunking' you're talking about, but my example attests to the contrary.
@aa180 the older you get the more your metabolism slows down due to decrease of hormones and muscle mass. You being 16 would need more calories since you were still growing, which would explain why you ate more at dinner. Physical activity is also an important factor and not to mention secret eating. Lots of overweight people do it, they consume more than they think.
@Shutupman Yeah but my point was that having a high metabolism made it too difficult to gain weight, so just because a person is skinny doesn't mean they eat well or in moderate amounts. Some of them eat as much as a fat person but remain skinny.
@aa180 a better comparison would be between you as a 16 year old and another minor doing exactly the same physical activity and same height and weight. Anyhow it’s easier to raise a low metabolism than lower one, so sure there are some people with slightly higher metabolism but they aren’t that common. I’ve known of 2 people like that and they are skinny because they are young. Once they hit 30-35 it will slow down too.
I know, it’s ridiculous.
Because they dont care about anyone's health. All they care about is their shallow ideas.
But also smokers are like that and no one shames them
@Smiley_face101 Except people do. I've seen it plenty of times and did it myself.But even if people didn't - two wrongs don't make a right. This ain't math where - & - will become a plus.
And what if there was an overweight person but they have lost a huge amount of weight (40lbs), works out at least 4 times a week and keeps losing weight. Would you still claim they have no self control?
@Smiley_face101 Obviously not, because they are in the process of bettering themselves. But I am also not a mindreader and don't know if that person did or did not when just seeing them on the street.
The secret is not to judge a book by its cover
@Smiley_face101 Bullshit. It just shows that you lack any kind of grasp of human psychology.Here is a good knowledge to have: People can only hold a limited amount of social contacts in their life. Everything beyond that is drastically reducing your engagement in that person.So especially in modern life where you sometimes have to deal with 100 different people a day it is simple IMPOSSIBLE to engage with every single one. Neither can the human mind handle it nor do we have the time to engage in it. Not to mention that it is questionable that anyone has a moral obligation to do so.So what do people do instead? Exactly, judge a person on what they get to see first. If I see a fat person the first thing I see is that that person is fat. 'duh. And it is likely that this person is fat on their own failures rather than due to health reasons - which I will judge them on.So gtfo with your "hurr durr you can't judge anyone on first sight" bullcrap. It's intellectually dishonest and manipulative.
How bitter of you.I honestly just want to throw my barbell on your face 🙄Anyways all I was saying is that sometimes there is more then what you see, so what am I supposed to do? Carry a sign that says "I have lost 40lbs and I workout 4-5 times a week. Things take time."Of course not, the same way I will not judge anyone based on their looks and not their actions. If you saw me at Mcdonalds you had a full right to judge me but if you saw me at the gym, why would you judge me?
@Smiley_face101 Nothing to do with bitter. So stop being manipulative again. It's a despicable attribute to have.You, and ONLY you, are to blame for the weight you've gained. Yes, you may say you were a child when you became overweight. All good and fun. But if a child runs over a street without looking and ends up being crippled, it also has to deal with the consequences. Same to you. You have to deal with the consequences of having ganied too much weight.And to expect others to mindread and somehow know that you are working out (want everyone to stalk you?) is the peak of entitlement. Listen, you are unimportant. Your life is unimportant. Your entire existence is unimportant. If you were gone right this moment, the world would just keep spinning. So stop making yourself more important than you are - because you aren't. Humbleness is a great attribute - you should get some of it.You have no right to demand others to treat you a certain way. If you want them to, go be the kind of person you want to be treated as. Until then the blame lies SOLELY on you.So stop this "sometimes there is more to it than you can see". You have NO RIGHT to DEMAND from me to take the time of MYSELF to figure out what there is more to you or not. It's the peak of entitlement to do so. Because if I were to see you right now (outside of a gym - if I see you inside the gym working out its a whole different context and scenario) - I see is you being clearly overweight. That's it. So stop putting the blame on others about how you get perceived. Again, it's manipulative and entitled.
Okay, I am not important but there is a Facebook group of 5000 plus size women who workout, share videos and brake the streotype.I think 5000 women is a big number.I can almost feel the bitterness through the screen, kinda makes me sick.Yes I was a child when I gained the weight, depression is no fun and games. And yes I can not change the way people look at overweight people but I can change the way people look at me by showing the world what I worth.So stop spreading bad vibes and being a dick since its clearly all you are good for
@Smiley_face101"there is a Facebook group of 5000 plus size women who workout, share videos and brake the streotype."More than 25.000.000 people alone in the USA are twice their ideal weight and EXTREMELY obese. How exactly do 5.000 people break the stereotype? That's barely 0,02% of all extremely obese people - assuming the group only involves US-americans.Not to mention that if these women truly work out and not just pose for the camera - they will not be obese for long anymore and thus the stereotype remains true that those who are obese are in that state because of their own shortcomings."I can change the way people look at me by showing the world what I worth."Then show it not by bitching, but by continuing to change your lifestyle. Have the attitude of being your own fortunes smith rather than a crybaby. Then you become respectable and are worth something."So stop spreading bad vibes and being a dick since its clearly all you are good for "It's called truth. You can handle it or not. I don't care. But don't be offended by me being the one who points out the truth. I'm just the messenger.
First of all I dont live in the USA and where I am from eating habits are much diffrant.Second you are not worthy enough to offend me, I dont care about you. You are just a pathetic waste of oxygen and trust me, I do a lot more then bitching.I am here to bring a messege, a stronger messege then all of those fat shamers combined. My messege is that fat shaming is not the answere, its the problem. It creates a twisted soceity.My lifestyle is healthy and every time that I (or any other overweight person) show up and kick ass in the gym is just another slap in the shamer's face. I worth a lot more then you, since all you do is shame people by the way they look like. Again, I am not talking about super obese people - thats super rare where I am from.There are just many overweight (yet healthy) people that are shamed and degraded by pathetic people like you.The only reason I keep taking those bullets from you is for the 14 year old overweight girl that reads this and thinks she is worthless because of her weight. Little girls read thess things
@Smiley_face101 "I am here to bring a messege, a stronger messege then all of those fat shamers combined.My messege is that fat shaming is not the answere, its the problem. It creates a twisted society."No. The problem is that people are fat. Fatshamers don't make people become fat. Fatshaming is the symptom. But you are too busy playing the victim to realise that."My lifestyle is healthy and every time that I (or any other overweight person) show up and kick ass in the gym is just another slap in the shamer's face."If it's so healthy then you will not be fat for a long time anymore. And then you don't slap any "fatshamer" in the face - but you have proven them right by showing that with simple discipline and work on your diet and fitness you got yourself into a healthy weight-range."The only reason I keep taking those bullets from you is for the 14 year old overweight girl that reads this and thinks she is worthless because of her weight. Little girls read thess things"Sorry to break it to you. No one has inherent worth. You create worth.
There is a diffrance between slightly overweight to mega obese, I dont think I will ever want to be super slim. I love having some meat on my bones. Maybe I will just choose to maintain my weight and keep working out? Will that make me lazy? I dont want to have no fat at all on my body. I love having big breasts, I will not give up on that since it makes me feel sexy and feminine.I will never be thin since I have a large muscle mass for a woman and a professional fitness trainer said it to me. I worked very hard to proove my self, what I was trying to say that being *slightly* overweight does not make one worthless. My academic achivements have nothing to do with my body, even in 220 I was a straight A student and at the top of my class.Anyways I am so glad I saw this now since I have kickboxing class and I need a target to imgine 😈
Or maybe they are losing weight and people are too stupid to understand it takes time?(Lost 40lbs so far)
@Smiley_face101 lol you don't have to get offended!!! Lol 😆 well congrats!! You should learn to don't care what other think because by the end of the day the person that can change your body is you. It takes time and a lot of effort to see the difference
Exactly it takes time.So you should not judge a person by their looks
Thyroid and hormone issues are a real thing. I've never had a weight problem. I weighed 95 pounds until I was 27. Then I went on birth control and then was able to gain a bit of weight. As I got closer and closer to the end of menopause my weight kept going up. Not to the point I was overweight but it was uncomfortable for me. For women after menopause they only place we make and store estrogen is our fat cells so our bodies hold on to it. I'm a lower weight now because I eat right but I, also, struggle with having enough estrogen.
@sejla "I'm a lower weight now because I eat right" so besides birth control and menopause you were not eating right. Yes those things can change your weight but if you read the studies birth control is known to cause like a 4lb weight discrepancy. BC never causes people to gain 30lbs that is not a real thing. Same with thyroid issues every fat person has. Medical stats say its a small fraction of 1% of people have legit thyroid issues that would cause weight gain but i can give you a list of about 10 fat people i know who say they have thyroid issues. Its not true. They are just making shit up so they can justify eating mcdonalds and candy.
For a period of time I wasn't eating right. I eat super healthy now because I have ongoing digestive problems with a lot of pain and bloating. I don't have other options plus I don't feel good generally when I eat bad. Birth control did give me some weight gain which was good and it made my life more comfortable without having to deal with writhing pain every month. Part of the weigh gain was poor eating in my 30s. I did get up to 130 pounds which was very uncomfortable for me and it was hard to walk up stairs. I've had ongoing hormone issues in my 50s and do have thyroid nodules now. I"m about 118 now
@sejla seems like pretty normal weights overall. I can see 130 being a bit much especially if you're shorter but i dont think you are what the post is about. Im picturing someone like the picture in the post. Not someone 15lbs overweight.
No I wasn't the type. I was standing up for women who might have those issues. For me it never caused me a lot of weight gain because I don't think I genetically gain weight as fast as other people. Some other people eating the same thing I was eating at my worst would have been much heavier. I was actually eating worse than my friend who was heavier than me and the same height. 130 isn't really a bad weight but a roll of fat would stick under my ribs when I sat down that would hurt and going up stairs was difficult. I gained 35 pounds over the years from when I was 27 until I was 50.
@sejla you don't just magically gain weight though. Its calories in calories out. Its that simple. Even with the issues you had which is more than most fat people you didn't become obese. Its just excuses. Nobody can be bothered to learn how to eat properly these days and most people do not exercise at all.
I've known women who are thin and in short amount of time because of menopause gained a large amount of weight. I don't really watch calories but to not gain weight I know I have to eat significantly less calories then recommended because I'm not that mobile because of fatigue. My metabolism is completely messed up now.
@sejla what happens is they hit menopause or take bc or just get older and they feel different or lifestyle changes and they eat more and thats what makes them fat. Not the actual thing. There are so many old people like 70s 80s and even 90s to a lesser degree who are fit as fuck and they have had all sorts if things go wrong but they never use it as an excuse to sit and eat ice cream. I got a pic on my computer i look at regularly and its a guy who is i think 78 and he is super ripped and i say to myself if he can do it me at 32 can sure as shit do it. I recently saw a 80 something year old woman deadlift 2x her body weight the other day. And i know someone in his early 80s who jogs miles. Its when you stop being active and replace that time with more food. Thats what does it.
I have suffered from this fatigue for a long time. My mom suffered from hormone and thyroid issues too
Thank you for the acceptance by the way , have you ever been bullied for your appearance?
It's also smokers falut for destroying themselves from the inside but no one shames them. Also a person that smokes next to you will damage you, a fat person that stands next to you will not harm you
@Smiley_face101 Have you seen cigarette packs these days? Pictures plastered on that shit is more gruesome than gore films.
No one bullies them though
A. What if there was an overweight person that was losing weight (or lost plenty of weight, still overweight and still losing. Lets say they lost 40lbs), would you still shame them?B. Smokers are also unhealthy, no one shames them.C. Being underweight is also unhealthy - fertility issues and disorder periods - but they are praised
A. If they appear to be overweight they will still be shamed until they have reached the desired result. I don't condone this behavior, just providing answers to the question.B. Smokers are also shamed, but not as much because smoking is more of a drug addiction.C. People generally don't praise underweight. They praise what's not overweight. Unless it's obviously underweight, they consider it a healthy body weight.
A. Which is the reason I work so hard at the gym to proove these streotypes wrong.B. I think drug addiction is worse C. Oh there are so many people on this site who do
Oh and I forgot the most important part, attractiveness is diffrent for each person
I don't think the problem is the stereotypes themselves, but how we act on them.
In general, though most people find overweight people less attractive.
But we can not change the way people act but counter examples might help brake the streotypes.Which is what motivates me to workout 4-5 times a week
A combination of exercizing and a healthy diet will definitely help you lose weight
I have lost 40lbs by now, I think I know how to lose weight
Just trying to help
Just keep doing what you've been doing.
@Smiley_face101 Well I was super skinny when I was a young adult. It wasn't anything I could help. I even drank weight builders drink to add weight. I don't think we want to shame naturally skinny women for having a high metabolism.
@sejla No one shames them, my best friends are skinny. You are neturally skinny, I am neturally chubby, society only forces one of us to change.No one should shame anyone but if one is judging overweight women by their look they should also judge underweight women
@Smiley_face101 that's where you are wrong. People shame both. You choose to victimize yourself so you don't see the other people who also suffer.
Again, take a look on what people say on this site.Someone called overweight people "unhealthy animals" People here claim that underweight is the best weight.Its just a numbers game, for one girl who skinny shamed there 100 who are fat shamed.The same way that as a white person I will not cry about the one day someone called me "a white bitch" because POC suffer more then me
I'm not denying that people are cruel. But when you try so hard to prove who has it worse, it takes a psychological toll. That mentality isn't good for you.
Of course but also being constantly shamed every single day of my life
Maybe you should take a break from people online for a while.
People are often cruel when they can hide behind a computer screen.
Yes thats true
I agree and it makes being heavy permanently a normal place to be. Carrying a bit more weight and being curvy is some people's normal but that is different than being overweight for one's body type. No matter what over the years no matter what the weight will cause wear and tear on joints, etc.
I workout 4 times a week, lost 40lbs, eat healthy and I am still shamed. All shamers do is to judge people by their looks
You dont have to be 300 lbs to be fat shamed, I got shamed in 178
@Smiley_face101 that’s true Anyone can be fat shamed
Which is why fat shaming is wrong
@Smiley_face101 yeah there’s not a lot of progress that can be made by degrading someone
So do smokers but no one shames them.
@Smiley_face101 No one shame smokers? Are you living in a parallel dimension?
Not where I am from anyway, smoking seems as "cool" here and everyone does it. Also drugs, illegaly.Anyways fat shaming is a diffrent case since you dont know the person infront of you, an overweight person could be obese last year but made a process, things take time
@Smiley_face101 I'm talking about those who don't try. And even then, being fat is your own fault. No one forces you to eat too much, and no one forces to stop doing any exercise. That victimization culture is ridiculous.
All I am saying that if you see a new person you dont know who they were before. Dont judge a book by its cover
Also slow metabolism can be offset by not eating pies 6 times a day And skinny People don't get shamed because they aren't costing everyone millions in public healthcare diabetes treatments
Because skinny isn’t normal weight, it’s the other side of the spectrum
Ah I see what you mean I guess it's because skinny tends yo have less health issues then being overweight
Being underweight can lead to fertility issues and problems with period, I have skinny friends that have many problems in that area.
Again I never said it don't have issues just that being overweight tends to have more issues
Again I am perfectly healthy, I workout, eat right.My skinny friends have problematic periods, never workout and drink a lot
I never said your not healthy but you seem to think I'm picking you out when I stated skinny people can have health issues just that at the end of the day we have a weight issues mostly due to the bigger weights
I am a counter example, not *all* overweight people are unhealthy.Just dont judge a person's health in first sight
How can one be overweight and healthy sorry are we using the same smcalue of what healthy is
If your doctor say you are healthy, your blood tests are healthy, you workout 4 times a week, you dont smoke, rarly drink, eat mostly whole netural foods chances are you are healthy.Now stop with those stupid streotypes, I was not talking about mega obese people. I am talking about healthy slightly larger people
So you are speaking about just touching the line of being overweight not actually being In the middle or bigger side of it fair enough and where did I stereotype you sorry
How can one be overweight and healthy?Thats very streotyipical. You are not a doctor and you have not met all overweight people in the world.I am talking about people who workout, eat healthy and their BMI is in the overweight secation of 26-29
So you will say there are more overweight healthy people then unhealthy?
I think you should not judge a book by its cover
You say that but when the amount of books are so easy to read at first glance I think the safer bet would be on them being unhealthy then simply assuming no they surly are healthy
As long as there is a counter example you can't assume anything.You meet a new person and just assume nothing on them. Thats it. That simple
Why though why should I live life by the dictates you give me I see no reason too
Being a better person and not a retarded shallow jerk
Lol but your definition of being a better person means pretty much nothing to me just like if I could you fat it shouldn't mean anything too you I'm a random spec in your life so why care if I think people look unhealthy or not
Because sadly a lot of people have that steotype and it bothers me so I need to make a diffrance by prooving them wrong.
But you prove nothing because for every person like you there are 10 that fit the steryo type that it bothers you should be what you need to fix
I dont care but as long as there is one counter example you can't go and say that all overweight people are this and that
Never said all are I said most which they are
@Smiley_face101 Women who are naturally skinny don't all have fertility issues. Women who force themselves to be too skinny are the ones who have the issue. The women in my family start out skinny. My mom weighed a 104 when she was 27. She was 5'3" . I weighed 95 pounds 5' 1 1/2" . We ate normally. We ate 3-6 times a day.
@sejla All I am saying is that both ends should be accepted, as long as you live a healthy lifestyle this what metters, not the number on the scale
Yet that number relates to health
Oh yeah? I am pretty muscular so I will never be skinny. Muscle weighs more then fat.Go fix your retardation
Lol well done but we are clearly talking about numbers on fat not muscle so please stop trying to find loopholes
You’re fat yourself @boggboss maybe you should take your own advice :)
I know this lol never said I was not fat but I won't pretend it's some none issue
Yeah its like, I have lost 40lbs by now and maintained muscles by strengh traning, I think I take a very good care of my body
But who was talking about your weight?
You said I act as if its not an issue
You act as if people's weight is not a issue yours maybe not but we are living in a health crises with due to people being overweight yet you are saying it's not a issue
Then each case to its own.My case is that I am perfectly healthy and no one other then my doctor has the right to tell me otherwise
No one was telling you that your weight was a issue you keep connecting it to yourself when no one is talking about you
Depend on how overweight, not all overweight people are unhealthy...
@Smiley_face101 hm I thought it was called overweight because well...'over' 'too much'
BMI is very stupid, muscular people are "overweight"Not all overweight people are unhealthy, I workout 4 times a week, eat healthy, drink water and I am overweight. You are not a doctor to decide if someone is healthy or not
@Smiley_face101 I'm a surgeon, thank you very m-haha just kidding, I just wanted to hear your arguments, is all :)