Oh yeah physics-man doesn't know anything about physics or science. That's awesome. Yeah, these are internet junkies who only surf the dark places in the net to find homes where people reinforce their insane nutso, extremist, racist, sexist, backwards, crazed views. They flood this place because the enemy of the incel extremist racist sexist internet addicted insano is feminism. So naturally they drift towards forums that talk about relationships. They figure they have to get women under control again, "White" women especially.
For a couple of years now the far right have (smartly) decided to appropriate the whole "rational" sciency rhetoric thing for themselves, which is absurd because most of their views are inherently outright anti-science and based on pseudoscience, like raciology. But it works. They saw how successful the "New Atheists" and feeding that crowd with anti-Muslim drivel was very easy, then you go from there to disingenuous and false nonsense about intelligence and race, and so on. It workd wonderfully, and GaG is proof of that. You'll find 16 year old teenage girls here who parrot the exact same anti-immigrants slogans you'll find on Stormfront.I guess your explanation for why GaG is so attractive to these extremists makes sense. Staying on their 8chan circle-jerks won't help in mainstreaming their white supremacy and reactionary views on women. I'm just really starting to worry that this is not going to get any better any time soon. Teenagers are being radicalized by the masses because extremists know how to be edgy memers and gamers themselves. It's so hard to reach young boys unless you're deep into the world of gaming and meming yourself. These boys belong to their online communities and will do and believe what their community says and believes. And the far right absolutely dominates it. It's a tragedy.
A real facist would police speech
@sawno I don't know what you're talking about. Are you referring to the user I mentioned who himself says he agrees with Fascism? Well, that's all I need to know about him. Or are you referring to the tons of crypto-Fascists on here? If so, then I must assume you don't quite understand the whole point of the "crypto" part...But I also just read what you wrote about vaccines and now know that you're an uninformed, ignorant coo-coo who prefers to parrot the same anti-vaxx misinformation and lies than to actually listen to the goddamn scientists about it. The science is clear, you're just not willing to accept that because it somehow goes against your selfish Libertarian ideology.You said you for corona you "deem the risk of the vaccine to be higher than the risk of the actual virus" - This very sentence of yours here tells me everything I need to know about you to know that you're a lost cause. If it was up to you, this pandemic would eventually destroy us. Once the vaccine is here, it will be that and nothing else that will save our asses (pathologically but especially economically). And you're against that and will be yet another moron who will refuse to his part by getting his fucking shot.When this pandemic started, I said to myself "well, at the very least this crisis will severely weaken the anti-vaxx movement. They're be the first to get their shots". Oh boy was I wrong. People who are crazy conspriacy lunatics like yourself will stick to their insanity until they die. And the damage they did on their way, will be for the rest of us to pick up.
@sawno Yeah, they wouldn't advocate genocide. They would just censor the people who advocate genocide.
Omg love your post
I disagree on one little thing. If autism is a side effect of a vaccine, that vaccine should not be used but instead quickly pulled off the shelves; the company that made it would soon be up to its scalp in legal issues. For example, thalidomide was given to pregnant women to help them sleep; but the tide quickly turned against it when its link to the birth of babies missing arms, legs, and other body parts became clearly known.
@Dchrls78104 Yeah, so what does one have to do besides what has already been done to prove vaccines do not cause autism?
@Shamalien I don't agree with the poster, but folks at GaG have advocated for far more than just the violation of rights.
What is worse than a violation of one’s fundamental rights? Every evil deed in the world falls under that umbrella
@Shamalien Oh exterminating people is a little more than just the violation of people's rights. Lynching. . . rape. . . that kind of thing is kind of well. . . you know wrong.I mean, I know on your side of the internet they are probably fine. You are just worried some other stuff. But you like to regular people that stuff is. .. well. . . bad.
Have fun injecting experimental fluids in your body that contain foreign substances that are not supposed to be in the human body. These people are not crazy for refusing a rushed vaccine they know little about without seeing what kind of impact it has on the people who take it first. I certainly won't be risking my health given i deem the risk of the virus to be lower especially if i wait out the worst of the pandemic. I always reacted badly to vaccines as a kid, so the risk of me getting complications from one is higher than the risk of the virus acting severe in my body.
@sawno 1. The Salk vaccine was created in 1953.2. As long as you get tested for the virus, I am good with that. Because if you get tested and you choose not to take a vaccination, you would at least know if you have the virus or not.3. If you get an evaluation from an actual doctor that reveals that you could have an adverse reaction to the vaccine, then that is understood. But if your doctor is Jenny McCarthy or some internet conspiracy site, we will just dismiss you as crazy.
No need to dismiss me as crazy, the whole point people do not understand is that the virus is not the only option. If i have to pick between taking the vaccine and being allowed to interact in the open or to extend self isolation with 1 year to ensure the virus has died out and then be regained my freedom without having to take the vaccine i'd do the latter. I am not a danger to anyone in self isolation and i am capable of holding that out longer than most. But i am not going to inject myself with anything we don't know much about. I don't want to find out a year later it caused permanent damage because of a manufacturing error or because they rushed a trial to distribute it in front of their competitors. And i am not alone in this opinion, Tim Pool for example who normally always took flu shots when he traveled and is used to taking them is also of the opinion its not wise to take something so new if you can avoid it. I fully agree with him there.
@sawno There is an absolute need to dismiss craziness when it just craziness. And I will do so as needed. You guys keep talking about personal choices. We all have personal choices. We choose not to die or to cause the death of a loved one because of a virus. If you are healthy and every single person you know is healthy, I get it. Self-quarantine, social distancing, whatever. But if you think you can just go around pretending this is not real, then you will and should be dismissed as crazy. I have friend fighting for her life right now, at this very minute. I was told a 22 year-old died from complications arising from Coronavirus by the delivery driver who just delivered my food. It can be make-believe for you. It is too real to those who are affected by it.
Quite the contrary, i have been taking this more seriously than most for longer than most.Do you still think the flu is worse than the coronavirus? ↗
@sawno Understood. I am just making that counterpoint to the ole. . "my freedoms" argument.That's a two way street. Even the weak and elderly among us deserves the right to life.
@Shamalien at least I don't have a mental illness, like anti vaxxers do
@Shamalien it's proven science ya retards
Of course, but my point is that for me it does not make sense to get a brand new vaccine if other options exist I think are safer. Like isolating myself longer or getting the cure if it gets severe. If vaccines truly work then those who prefer the risk of the vaccine over the risk of the virus should have nothing to fear from a guy focussing on social distancing instead while he observes the effects around him before he makes a move. After all contrary to what some may assume I am actually choosing the side of caution where I pick the option I find least risky.
was the 22 yr old immunocompromised?
@NatalieKeller95 The concept of a vaccine does hold up to the scientific method, very few people argue that. What you are arguing is that someone should not have a right to own their own body. So before you call me a retard, take a look at yourself. You put a lot of trust in these vaccine manufacturers. What happened to the evils of big business? do you know how much money is in vaccines? You make one giant sale to the government and walk away with a ton of money. You haven't even looked into what you are talking about. You don't know shit you stupid fucking kid and what you think is science is actually religion. If you believed in science, you would take a look at the counterarguments and form your own opinion. But you don't do that. You just believe what you are told and listen to authorities who claim they are scientific. Science isn't a person or an institution, it's a method. While a vaccine works in theory, the shit you are actually injecting into your body is hit or miss, it depends on a million factors of which you know nothing about. You just don't see at a granular enough level. Everything is big poofy clouds to you and you fumble those around and think you have an opinion. you don't have shit, you don't know shit, and if you ever try to put something in my body against my will, you should be raped to death. That's fair. Get something put in your body that you don't want. It's not me advocating that you get raped to death, ITS YOU, YOU ARE ADVOCATING THAT.
Lol if I have a question about nudity or how to make my ass 5 times as large as my head I'll give you a call, otherwise, fuck off to communist china, they agree with you there, you can work in one of their sweatshops and see how great it is to be ruled by 'science'.
No human is worth saving. I say we round up all innocent and non innocent people and execute their children first then their families and friends.
"You should be shot dead on site for advocating this violation of a person’s god given right to decide what goes in their own body" says the one who is antiabortion
@Shamalien Son, my friend is a microbiologist. She has her PH. D. She does actual research into combating viruses. She gives podcasts on the net about Covid-19. And I will take her word over an internet crazy any day of the week and twice on Sunday. We were with each other for six years. We stayed friends after we broke up and she opened a world to me that I never knew about or had much information.
All the retard anti-vaxxers present here, let me tell you something. Vaccines were never 100% perfect. So as a bridge over a river or a city bus. Like bridge may collapse one day or bus may get brake failed, vaccinated person may get a disease. Because nothing is perfect in the world.But a vaccinated person have risk less than 1%. If you talk about side effects, 4-8% people can get side effects which may last not even 10 days. Then why so retardness.You only think. Why world population has gone to +7.3 billion within 150-200 years? Medical facilities, food availability and hygiene. Vaccines are one of the biggest reason for that growth. So why you people are acting retards like flat-earth community?Think about what your are saying. Do anti-vaccine really makes sense?
Anti-vaxxers talking about human rights, your neighbours can also apply for human rights saying you're threat to them like a suicide bomber.Government can also for apply human rights saying why they will treat you as a special and give you and neighbors extra support so that it doesn't spread anywhere over other needy people?You people are totally dependent on herd immunity. I don't found it very logical response for any type of disease.
@Satadru_74X9 some people don't understand what rights are. Let me be very, very crystal clear with you. If your 'right' entitles you control over people other than yourself, it is not a right. I can't have a right that says 'I get to stick this thing in my neighbor'. That is the same as saying 'I have the right to rape my neighbor' Do you see? Here is an example of a real right. "I have the right to be left alone". If you want to be left alone, and somebody comes up to you and won't leave you alone, you have the right to physically defend yourself. I somebody tries to rape you, you have the right to defend yourself. do you see? See if we set a precedent that a 'right' can grant you control over somebody else, we destroy that other person's fundamental right to be left alone, which is the single most important right in the world. I am not a murderer for refusing to get a vaccine, you are too young and too brainwashed
@Shamalien We have the right to call craziness what it is. . . which is craziness. You have the right to claim vaccines are bad, based upon whatever superstitions you believe in. The courts in certain states have made religious exemptions in cases before. But to pretend there is some scientific basis for your beliefs or some legal basis outside of our court system is craziness.Period.
All I am claiming is the right to my own body, and you should be able to concede on that point. Try to cross that line and see what happens
@Shamalien Again, if you have some superstitious belief, there is precedent. You have made various claims throughout this conversation. And you switch your argument depending upon where you think you are having success.First, you talk about your "rights". Legal precedence has been set by the courts in your state.Then you talk about science, the scientific community disagrees. That's pretty much sums it up.
@Shamalien does a murderer or rapist has the right to be left alone and can avoid it's arrest?And I do have the right to be protected from you as you can be harmful and fatal for me.You are simply so much stubborn and retard that the idea of anti-vax has become a parasite. You only talk about rights but don't have any valid logic behind benefits of anti-vax. You only know one side of the story and arguing like a stubborn toddler. If should whole story about vaccines before choosing to be anti-vax
You think rights have anything to do with the courts? You think man gets to decide what is right and wrong? so you think man is equal to god. I'm not religious, but nobody can change what is right and what is wrong. It's wrong to violate somebody against their will, rape is wrong, forced vaccination is wrong, end of story, there is no argument. Claim all you want about me or my tactics, what I have just said is true from now until the end of time, and no man can change that.
@Shamalien can you find me laws of your country which can protect you from a vaccine which gonna treat a pandemic of national crisis?Because in my country laws under The Epidemic Act, 1897 or Act No. 3, 1897; you can't protect yourself by those illogical words.As you can be a threat to whole community in times of a pandemic that both Government and Police can force you and you can't resist as no legal proceedings will happen to protect you
@Satadru_74X9 Laws !== morality. If the law is wrong I will disobey it, in fact, it is my duty to disobey it. It's called civil disobedience. In some countries, they have laws saying it's okay to abduct, rape, and then force women to marry you. Is that okay?
@Shamalien so you find protesting and getting killed by police or any other thing is better than having a vaccine which will protect you only?Are you so much jobless and have so much time?
@Shamalien not equal to is written like != not !==
@Shamalien deny science and you'll be denying your own future, but natural selection will deal with you soon enough for your ignorance
@Shamalien nothing is wrong with big business it's communism that's evil
@Shamalien now I know why all anti-vaxxers think vaccines cause autism, it's because they're helplessly autistic themselves, makes sense to not want to spread it to their children, do us all a favor anti-vaxtards don't reproduce, in fact, don't even go outside, without wearing a patch that says you're an anti-vaxxer, that way they can just clean you off the streets in an instance, just get ready for the long march towards the concentration camps you'll be headed to
I disagree with vaccines and the same time I do agree. If a vaccine is rushed like the corona then I don't trust it.
I agree there should be a global holocaust against all anti-vaxxers
@Shamalien you're autistic because of your faulty gypsy genes, see gypsies make everything more miserable in this world, them and the bosnians and albanians,
so let me get this straight. In your world, exterminating people is NOT a violation of ones rights? Yes, it is extreme, an extreme violation of a person's rights. Let's be very clear on this. Every evil act is a violation of one's rights. If it is not a violation of one's rights, it is not evil, period.
If you've had the vax, then what are you worried about?If 'herd immunity' were a true thing, then why do we not have massive outbreaks of measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis, diptheria, etc., since no adults ever got boosters for those and vaccine-induced immunity is not life long?How do you know the Covid vaccine (mRNA reprogramming to produce poisonous spike protein that causes health problems) is not the Mark of the Beast in Revelation in the Bible? You're talking about rounding up non-vaxxed, putting them in death camps, and murdering them en masses.
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yeah, blame the men when what you said is completely wrong. read up on the health of sperm throughout the male life. 80 year olds sperm might have a little fewer swimmers, but they just as healthy and effective. Eggs are what wither away and become deformed. Just saying.
@1CentWorth autism and intellectual disability aren't even related, so why are they treating it like it is, everyone exaggerates about autism way too much and just keep the stigmatization, the media is fucking retarded why does anyone even listen to them, the heinbergs will say whatever they want as long as they get money for it
Actually, it's older women. Men constantly produce new sperm, whereas women are born with all the eggs they will ever have, and the quality diminishes over time.
@DevylasArsaukas76 Yeah, read what I responded to
@morpheus_12 Thanks for the AGE BIAS!! How about posting the links to the SCIENCE PAPERS that prove this, if you can!
Then you should agree that you can't violate other people's rights by infecting them with deadly viruses. You are right, you should be able to choose how you wish to die. And so should I.
#1, being healthy is not a right - it is a personal responsibility.#2: why don't you just stay away from everyone because "anti-vaxers" (or whatever) are really everywhere. You'd be doing yourself a favor, and everyone else too.#3: I know you are joking, but I actually believe I should be able to chose the way I die, unless I don't want to. It's my life, and that includes death.ANYWAY, you just hate. I'm glad I make you feel scared of me. I could be your next-door-neighbor, you never know! We're everywhere, and mostly silent. Muhahahahahahahahaaaaaa!
#1. That does not make any sense. If a person shoots me, I will probably become very unhealthy. Deadly infectious diseases are. . . uhm. . . deadly. #2. I am not the one who claims I have the right to spread a deadly disease. Anti-vaxxxers are attempting to make this claim. #3. No I am not. If you wish to die of polio when there exists a vaccine against it, then you should have that right. I don't want to die of polio. I like living.
Rebuttal to MountAverage given he blocked me : "Once the vaccine is here, it will be that and nothing else that will save our asses" looks like i am not the one who is very far gone. There is a massive propeganda campaign going on where people are told "We need to wait for the vaccine! Stay in your home! We need to wait for the vaccine!" and totally trying to justify it as if it is the only option.It isn't, and that is the part you are missing. There are medicines being tested all of the world, some with more success than others. There are the options of self isolation which i have been doing personally. I am one of the users who knew this was a pretty big deal before any of you took it seriously. I have been ensuring my family can stay home without issues and enough food since January. And i have been staying at home earlier than it was mandatory. In fact i have been warning my entire family to avoid crowds one month before our government has been doing.
If it was up to me, then we would have had preventative tests at the borders and busy intersections of our society to monitor early on how spread the virus was. If it where up to me we'd be focusing the research on the cure and not the prevention. If it where up to me we would have had enough masks and protective equipment and people would be visiting the stores with goggles, a face mask and disposable gloves.But it has not been up to me, it has been up to organisations sponsored by the Bill & Melinda gates foundation who has invested in all the big pharma company's of the world. Which means because of their control and funded reseach but also funded interviews on TV shows the whole lets find a cure thing which is the sensible thing to do has been replaced with lets wait for a vaccine.Its nonsensical to do that, especially when treatments exist with good results. So no, i will not be taking a rushed vaccine i have not seen the long term effects off. If the virus infects me (And chances are i actually had it in January given there was a nasty virus that took my entire family out) that means i have an 80% chance of not getting the severe one and heal from it naturally. If i end up being in the 20% that does get it severely i'd have more faith in treatments like zinc absorbents we have been using for years where i hear doctors from all of the world and patients alike speak of miraculous recovery's than i'd trust a brand new vaccine given every vaccine i remember as a child actually got me really sick.Your issue is blind trust in "the scientists", even if the science was rushed or sponsored to have certain favorable outcomes. I don't blindly trust science, i want to see the effects before ill trust anything they try and give us. And i want to understand fully what is in the vaccine before ill ever take it. That is not irrational, that is thinking critically. An ability those who seek for authority have unfortunately lost.--- End of rebuttal
Haha!!! An anti-vaxxer lecturing folks on what is common sense.
jokes on you , BOY !
I dunno anti-vaxxer. I have not died from autism yet. Maybe come back in 30 years.
finally someone sensible, standingUP, I have been vaccinated a lot, my brother wasn't at all. He is smarter than me, his immune system is stronger than mine, even though he's still a KID. Ay! vaccines vaccines. Now I'm wondering what I'll die from and at what age, heart disease, lupus. I don't know. Good news is I don't have any of those yet, so it might be something else.
Fully explained and/or debunked. Some vaccines have an ingredient that contains mercury and it has been fully explained as to why. No. Anti-vaxxers are not rational. They claim they get to decide what goes in their body, so do we. I don't want to die of an easily preventable virus. Let the move to a place where they can infect each other over and over again. Why is it used? This mercury-containing ingredient has been used as a preservative in vaccines since the 1930s. Today, it is only found in vaccines for influenza. Preservatives are necessary for preventing dangerous bacterial or fungal contamination, but thimerosal has since become a major source of vaccine safety concerns.
I see your point, and it is pretty rational. But, search the web for effects that heavy metals like mercury have on the human body. As you learnt in history class, Qin Shi Huan in order to live forever thought that if he drank mercury, he would not die. Unfortunately as we know now, that is the opposite of what happens. Now, the mercury found in vaccines does not immediately kill you. The lightest effect is autism- and those are the strong organisms. The weaker ones don't get it, but instead die of heart disease (for example). It is like saying that the saying "you are as healthy as your spine is" is wrong! We did not know it back then, but since we are a progressive race, we notice our mistakes and eliminate them. Now as for vaccines if you search deep into the web (cuz info like that is payed to be hidden ( I know that cuz someone in my family works for google)), you will find info on why vaccines are so extremely toxic (it won't be easy to find as I said above). There are multiple reasons. Money is one of them. As for anti vaxxers, after all this research I, too will start to lean more the their side. But it is not my problem, which side you were on. You might disagree with me but the way evolution went, we weren't given a vaccine from god, we had to create it. And didn't you notice this strange paradox- that everything we created causes some trouble? Cars- bad for our atmosphere, electricity bad for the atmosphere. Think about what is said, and if you want you can message me privately on this site (if its possible) and we can continue there. It is good to have a worthy discussion once in a while, isn't it?
P. S. isn't thimerosal also a mercury-containing compound?
Also I'm not saying vaccines are fully bad, but some of the ingredients of vaccines are extremely dangerous.
This forum is overrun by internet crazies. I found out at the beginning of the pandemic, one of my buddies is an anti-vaxxer, anti science internet nut. We are no longer close.
And history is full of stories about how vaccines saved millions of lives. I mean, why don't you just move to another country where superstition and fantasy rule? Like Ancient Greece.
Ancient greece... are you talking about the place where all the greatest philosophers of all time were born and shared their ideas with the world? You mean those crazy guys who suggested the earth was round? You don't know shit about history. Vaccines can save lives, yeah, and big business can ruin even the best concept and turn it into a shoddy product that harms more than it saves. You need to examine things at a more granular level if you want to understand reality.
Oh, so their stories about Zeus and Athena and stuff were true?Dude, all you know about history, viruses, science, comes from youtube.So when do the lizard humans come out of hiding to claim the earth?
Your brain is fried man. A youtube education is worth more than a university education, because a youtube education exists in a free marketplace of contradicting opinions, where a university education you get one narrative. Don't shit on the internet, it's the greatest repository of information that has ever existed in the history of the world. Why the fuck are you talking to me about Zeus and Athena. Every society has retarded beliefs, the fact is that ancient greece made leaps and bounds for humanity with it's sanitation practices and amazing philosophers. You can shit on my knowledge of history all day, but it looks like it far outstrips your own.
No a youtube education is worth its weight in what I leave in the toilet. For instance, I am educated in the technology field. It my experience I have run into a lot of guys who thought they knew firewall basics, networking fundamentals, infrastructure concepts and they just didn't. Some of them could have learned had they used the proper tools for learning and had the humility to understand what they did not know. But pride, stubbornness and other weirdness stopped them from succeeding where many others did.Don't get me wrong. Youtube can be used to do some tremendous good. It can help spread stories of hope and suffering. It can help enlighten certain folks to experiences they had not exposure to.But a university education? No, there is no replacement for understanding concepts, principles, methods that come from decades of experimentation, knowledge, and common sense.I don't shit on the internet son. It is my business. But everything I learned about, the protocols, the routing methodology, security, came from men and women who learned about it in a similar fashion. It takes a lot time to understand these concepts. And those that know can pick out a faker after a day or two.
You still don't get it. The point is that when you self direct your own education, you can expose yourself to multiple points of view, totally contrary perspectives, and for a subject like history this is beyond important. This is the meat. For a subject like technology, not nearly as important, perspective is not as important, it's just logic and known facts. Stay close minded though, that's your journey buddy. Especially on a subject like vaccines, you're never going to get anything CLOSE to a proper education on the history of vaccines in any kind of university situation, it's a straight up conflict of interest to their funding, but I can't make you understand that and I won't bother trying.
No son, it is you who does not get it. You can go get knowledge anywhere. You can pick your sources. But you cannot change what is true. Any network beginning with 10. defaults to a Class A network. The last IP address in a NAT list is used for port address translation. All this shit is truth. You can learn about it on youtube, you can read Mickey Mouse, it does not matter. But if you come to the field with bullshit you will be trounced and rightfully so.Pretending that vaccines have not saved millions of lives is one of those examples. You can learn about the most famous vaccine, Polio. . . in a history book. You can find a youtube video or you can learn about it from David Duke.I don't care where you get the knowledge. That knowledge does not change. And any thing making a claim to the contrary is simple nonsense and superstition.
potato brain be gone, you aren't even capable of comprehending what I'm talking about, you don't have the prerequisites necessary to educate yourself properly, first you need to learn the art of discernment and logical deduction, but instead you trust a certain port XD hilarious. EVERYTHING BY THIS AUTHORITY IS TRUE, ALL ELSE IS FALSE yeah those ancient greeks would fucking school your ass in a debate
You stupid backward superstitious cheetos eating batshit crazy internet troll.Take that nonsense to your batshit crazy backwards ass conspiracy sites. All your bullshit theories have not saved a single life. I know microbiologists, doctors, and geneticists. You know youtube's latest insane fruitcake troll spouting conspiracy freak. And all they do is mine your cult for views and clicks so they can make money.But as Annie Lennox says. . ."some of them want to be abused".So keep grabbing those ankles freak.
One guy here is claiming his education on youtube is better than an education at a university.That's what we are dealing with.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28awO6kMwMA
Maybe it is, but so what? Home schooling is not the subject of the question.
You brought up home schooling.One of the posters here cites youtube as the source for his knowledge about vaccines.
My point is that un-vaxed kids should not be allowed in public schools. They put everyone else at risk. If their parents are THAT adamant about it, let them school them at home.
Well, I think that is the current law. Anti-vaxxers can make a case for religious exemption in most states. And they can homeschool their kids.
If you don't know what it is about, remember: It is always about the money.
Well the only thing that has been talked about is autism. And there is no study linking vaccines to any other kind of disease. Not that I am saying the autism argument is valid mind you.
Your right and that's why I won't try to sway you but what I fear goes beyond the substance and has a lot to do with reasons and means of efficient delivery.
It isn't about swaying. It is about is established science. Until I meet another scientist or doctor that tells me otherwise, I won't be swayed. And even then, I would introduce them to the scientists and doctors that I know to see if there is any validity to their claims. It is always good to know, some scientists. They are kind of cool people actually.
I'm sure they are but where do they get their funding? Who allows what to be studied? To each their own but until I see a change in the world I won't be swayed ethier.
What do you mean where do they get their funding? My ex was is a microbiologist. She currently teaches genetics and microbiology at the graduate/undergraduate level. For a woman of her standing, she doesn't make much money. But she loves teaching and is proud of the impact the students who went on to graduate have made. Its like the light is not on up there dude. What you saying is that people go to school for 23/24 years. . . just become political. They wouldn't just take your shortcut. Hang on youtube for a couple of months and create a political agenda. I get it, in your world there is no such thing as expertise.
The funding I was talking about was the projects and resources nessessary for those great and dedicated minds to be able to do what they enjoy doing. I never claimed I thought the scientist themselves were the ones trying to get political and gain from it. Maybe I'm just paranoid but I'm not trying to force you not to take the vaccine so don't hold it against me that I choose not to. In the end it will only affect me and whoever else decided to also not take it. So if you get it and it gives you peace of mind and a better equipped immune system that's a great thing. Science is incredible i trust it i just dony trust all people. If I die because of that mistrust I believe my creator might tease me about it but I don't believe it would affect his judgment. didn't want it to get argumentative and it really doesn't do anything once the debate moves into opinions. Your right about the facts I just have trust issues and we got to where we are partially on Instincts not just facts.
No one is trying to force you to take a vaccine. We are just pointing out that anti-vaxxers' position is not grounded in science or fact. It is grounded in superstition. And you can file for a religious exemption. But we have the right, our children have the right to not be infected by deadly diseases. If you wish that, then make your choice and be satisfied. But there is no conspiracy. No deep state trying to trick you. Your position is akin to a CEO telling me he refuses to accept my cloud migration strategy because he heard of some issues on youtube. I didn't go to college, Microsoft University, enroll in various certification programs, done lab work, taking tests, etc. over 30 years to accumulate the necessary knowledge just to have a client reject my strategy over superstition. I will dismiss their claims just like a scientist dismisses anti-vaxxers. Go find a company that can do it better than mine. My track record is proven. If you know better, accept the consequences. But in the business world, it is has only cost some CEOs a few mil. In the world of vaccinations, it costs lives.A CEO won't miss a few million all that much. They just get mad.
I'm not mad about it till I see signs of mandatory vaccinations. If that's not the case then onward but its still my choice as it is yours.
Yeah, most anti-vaxxers are anti-abortion. But blatant hypocrisy is popular nowadays.
Believe me. No one will be holding you down.
I can't believe that a 13 year old is here, aren't you too young? Do your parents know about this?
Ever thought to yourself that “maybe she is here for the fun, and maybe her parents don’t give a fuck about her, maybe she’s just having some fun.” ? Ever thought about it?I’m pretty much on my own, just having a bit of fun, it’s nothing bad or anything. Why do you people have to be so judgmental? You are supposed to set an example for young people like me.
Just give me a break.
cuz you're calling other people retarded, I'm trying to set a good example. Calling other people in that manner shows YOUR weakness not theirs, before you post anything on the web you should first think wether it will go against you in the long run. University and corporate wise. Thats why I am surprised, cuz there are loads of these types of arguments on this forum, and depending on your reply could hurt your future.
and maybe I just don’t like being around stupid people😮 ever thought of that?Freedom of speech sir.
@Stantr Then why are you here arguing with a 13 year old? You undermine your own point.
It didn't used to be overrun by insanity.But it has now officially jumped the shark.
A vaccine for polio exists. It was developed in 1953.
I meant between polio, the vaccine for it, and autism. If a link existed, then the vaccine should have been pulled and replaced by another one that didn't have such a side effect, shouldn't it?
Anti-vaxxers commonly claim that autism is a side effect of vaccines.
To be honest, such a claim appears to me to be difficult to prove.
One of the most contentious areas of health policy over the past two decades has been the safety of vaccination. Vaccines prevent the outbreak of diseases that used to be widespread, like polio, and scientific consensus strongly supports their safety. Yet many Americans refuse or delay the vaccination of their children out of fear that it could lead to autism, even though scientific consensus refutes this claim.Anti-vaccine attitudes have been fueled in large part by growing rates of autism diagnoses as well as a now debunked study in The Lancet that linked autism and the measles mumps rubella (MMR) vaccine – pushing many parents to see vaccination as a potential explanation for their child’s autism diagnosis. https://www.texmed.org/Template.aspx?id=48227
Anti vaxxers remind me of the Christian Science faith, which teaches that the sick should be treated not by medicine but by a form of prayer that seeks to correct the beliefs responsible for the illusion of ill health. I am not here to knock anyone's beliefs but the Bible says that God wants you to use the brain He gave you, and not just believe (Proverbs 14:15, 1 John 4:1)!