This is trash because you're comparing someone's ability to save money to the ability to "stop being poor". Saving money is based on your income. Poor people are poor because of their income. People on the doll can barely afford to survive. I've been homeless multiple times since the age of 16. My ability to save is quite good (when I try) in my opinion. But if I choose to become homeless again just so I cam save more money by not paying rent or bills then do you think I'd become middle class? Wtf is this magic opinion of yours?
@leonidas69 I promise you, you can always make money. Hate me all you want but people do it all the time. My father was dirt poor and found ways to make enough to get an education. He did that by working hard in any way possible. Even if you pan handle and collect bottles you can make enough to clean yourself up and get a job mopping floors somewhere, you go into a business and say you'll work for 1/2 the cost of others. Just because you couldn't do, doesn't mean you can't. Same for weight loss. It's a matter of will and dedication. Neither the homeless nor the obese should be shamed for it though. A lot comes from emotional or psychological issue. In care you're going to be a dick to me further I always help the homeless and donate all my stuff to people.
Back in your fathers day shit was a lot more simple but getting a piece of shit job isn't enough to stop being poor even if you manage to save money here and there. It's a circumstantial difference between classes and to compare that social problem to an individuals ability to consume responsibly is moronic. What world do you actually live in? Seems your father might have worked hard and succeeded for your privileged ass.
@leonidas69 I can get a job any time cleaning today or answer an ad on craigslist so yeah go fuck yourself 'average'. You're a deceptive liar.
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@leonidas69 You are a grade A ass hat. There was no need to go into the poor aspect, it is obvious that poor people cannot simply become wealthy, that is why it was used as a comparison."People try to justify it in terms of health which includes your express mental health problems." False, simply false. No justification of the health ever considers the eating disorders caused or the girls that have serious emotional trauma from the treatment.I do not have a problem, but you do. Your problem is acting like an ass to anyone that disagrees. I have nothing to take responsibility for, but you sure as hell do.
Yeah I'm an ass when it comes to this shit some times. I do mean sometimes by the way. Only idiots bring it out in me. But you're now arguing that because other health problems exist that the people who say losing fat is healthy are wrong. Where did you learn logic? Why do people who lose fat claim they have more energy and are happier to wake up in the morning? It's because comparitively to their prior experiences they are being looked at as succeeding, told they're achieving and feel less like a failure. You compare those feelings to someone who claims to "not be able to lose weight" and the difference will always suggest mental health problems. The problem is just that though. A problem is something to be solved. Like the poor people trying to not be poor. But different for 1 major reason. Fat peoples problem is failing to stop; where poor peoples problem is major difficulty getting started correctly and then all the major fucking set backs.
@leonidas69 "Why do people who lose fat claim they have more energy and are happier to wake up in the morning?" Confirmation bias. The same reason that people that buy overpriced crap tell themselves they got a good deal. My body is not a problem, and it never will be.
Ok good agrument but then you contradict yourself again. You've already admitted to having an overweight (minimum) problem, mental health problems and eventually it will probably have further health problems down the track.
@leonidas69 I do not consider my weight a problem regardless of what the scientifically bankrupt BMI says. And my mental health challenges were caused by people like you that could not act like decent human beings.
The outdated BMI measurement does need upgrading but it's a lot faster for the doctors to perform than the other allied health professionals. Unless you get a skinfold test or higher I guess you could live in ignorance peacefully. 😅Mental health problems are more complex than feelings. Don't play the victim or blame others for bullying alone. I'm sure your own thoughts and feelings are contributing to your suffering. 🤔
@leonidas69 God you are an ass. And trust me, everyone else knows it.
I only liked your comment because of the first sentence.
@leonidas69 Probably because it took you 5 minutes just to read it. I'm a former fatty so I can attest to the giving up sugar as being fact. That was one of the ways that I went from 190 to 135 pounds.
5 minutes is an exaggeration. Your testament for for giving up sugar can't be taken as fact but it's a general opinion that has merit. Though you can't literally give up sugar. Your brain runs off it. The problem still reverts back to overconsumption.
@leonidas69 Well of course, Overindulgence in anything is not always a good thing. Anymore than your body really needs is too much. Some people shovel sugar into their yaps like they were shoveling coal into a steam train's firebox. That and not getting exercise is a bad recipe for putting on weight.
So is eating an entire avocado and a whole bunch of mayo in a salad. Don't blame sugar. 😂 Fats and technically protein will have the same result as overconsuming sugary carbs. Balanced diets are hard.
@leonidas69 Like I said, over indulgence in anything is not good for the most part unless it is in making money. A balanced diet is good, but I think a lot of the overweight problems are because of sugar and lack of exercise. Any glucose your body does not need for fuel is stored as fat and saved for the times the body needs the extra energy, like in exercising.
It's not indulgence alone though because as mentioned portion sizes and balanced diets are hard. It's over CONSUMPTION whether it's indulging or not. If you don't look at the root problem or cause you're going to get stuck in this tunnel vision.
"Make lunch made at home" I apologize. That just wasn't good enough.Oh I forgot, buy second hand. Charity (what American's cal thrift) shops and ebay. Thrift, a good old working class virtue.
You talk about saving and getting a better job. You have no idea what poor really is.
@leonidas69 Ever had to put water on your cornflakes because you could not afford milk? Ever picked up vegetables discarded after a market? Answering the door saying my mum wasn't in to people she owed money to? Don't tell me I haven't been poor. I know poor people are treated like shit. It's not right. It's not fair. I saved. I improved my skills. I got better jobs. Because I didn't see the people voting for a socialist paradise anytime soon. That is because enough comfort has been given to enough people for them to not care about the underclass. I understand the system, how it has divided and conquered.
Sounds like your mum was poor and you managed to break the cycle by getting a good job off the bat. You're one of the lucky ones more than the idol of the population that should try to be mimicked. Lucky outliers in the statistics aren't representing the general population in any regard. Yet still to compare that to the fat loss is very different. You're still trying to doing something in the face of a "system" (your words) where fat loss is simply to stop doing something as an individual.
More to losing weight than just buying fresh veg. A balanced diet can be costly. So I hate that aspect of your reply. But everything above is so true and where the real struggle is in this dump comparison.
@leonidas69 Exercise is also free so 🤷🏼♀️
@leonidas69 A balanced diet is not costly! At least, not in UK or Netherlands. Just have to shop around. In our town, there is a small supermarket. Buy something for a fiver. 50 metres away there is a shop where you can by exactly the same brand for half.
@leonidas69 My family goes for an 8 km run every day. That is free. Keeps us fit. We avoid things like lifts and use stairs instead.
How much is good meat, nuts, nut butter and avocados in your area?
@leonidas69 They are not necessary for a balanced diet. Try cabbage, cauli, oily fish like mackerel, skimmed milk, low fat cheese, lighter than light mayo. Fresh fruit is cheap especially in season..
I don't know wbat macherel is but bothing else you mentioned was a real protein source.
I think it has a lot to do with our sedentary sitting jobs and first world transportation. Have you seen the people of countries who have to walk and bike to get around? None of them are fat asses!
I personally walk around a lot, but people would still call me "fat" anyways.
I mean people walk around to go to a burger joint or get off the couch to go to the restroom
doesn't do much
@LuisitoElProf I said being overweight is NOT something that you CAN'T do anything about. Which means I DO believe that you CAN lose weight by diet and exercise.
$300 for 12 hours. Where the fuck are these jobs? 😂
In poor countries in Asia or Africa
In my country the minimum salary on economy for 8h is about 300$, and i live in Europe, so I do believe in poorer countries people are paid even less.
In my last job at the age of 26 I was paid $21p/h on the weekends and public holidays. $19p/h for regular shifts.
I don't know how much that is.
Either way, 300$ for 12h is very little. Those people aren't working like slaves because they like it, they don't have other options
$300 for 12 hours should work out to $25 per hour.
300$ a month... 🤦they work 12-14-16 h every day and only get 300$ a month. Who tells their salary daily anyway? People usually say how much it is per month.
Did you really imagine the minimum salary in my country is 300$ a day for 8h? It's 300$ a month. actually, less than 300$ with the current curreency
It's an hourly wage im most conversations you're the one who said 12 hours and $300. Don't blame me for you forgetting to explain that those two numbers weren't even connected. I don't know qhat fucking country you're in so how am I supposed to answer that? 😂
Answer what? You commented on my opinion on the question and asked me where those jobs are. And most people think of their salary either per month or year and specifying how many hours is important, some people only work 4h/day.
The way your country does it is weird. Salary would be yearly. Apart from that it's whatever your pay is for how long but at an hourly rate.
Overconsumption*It's not a specific food group, micronutrient or drink that causes weight gain. But you're basically right. I don't know if copout is the right frase either because of the comparison made in the question to being poor. But it's in the right direction for sure. Just can't put my finger on it.
@leonidas69 It comes down to ingesting too many calories. My brother is an expert on weight loss. Spent 24 weeks on a course all about food and weight control. People that say they cannot lose weight just don't bother to find out how. They are so lax when it comes to doing anything, including exercising. Cop out is the right work!
Overconsumption is a single word that describes ingesting too many calories. So I don't know why you thought you were adding anything there. Weight is a bad word for this topic but at this point I can't be much more bothered talking to these thick people. 😂 Thick in which way you ask?
Oi. Fucking truth.
the problem is not the amount you eat. it's what you eat, when you eat, how you eat, and what you do before and after you eat.
From my own experience, the amount you eat will do it on it's own. Obviously that doesn't account for differences in people's metabolisms but for me that's how it worked.