I mean yea they are saying all of this I doubt it is true. They also said they found 20 thousand covid cases in one day because people went to the beach. Well that would mean not only did 20 thousand people immediately seek out the test which is very expensive. It would mean they were all tested with the quick test which almost nobody has. The other test takes 72 hours to tell you if you have covid. Most of these numbers they give you on the news are fabricated.
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Yea but China's data can't be trusted and they've corrupted the WHO. The US even stepped out of it partly because of that.
In that case, the conclusion still stands:Using the Johns Hopkins University's COVID-19 dashboard, the number is still around 450k, but a little bit higher.https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.htmlAlso, the seasonal flu fact-page I cited is from 6 November 2018, WAY before 2019-nCoV's discover & Beijing's incentive to alter the numbers.Hence, the current COVID casualties are still within the range of flu deaths per yer. If 200k deaths are reported between now & December, coronavirus will remain on par with the flu death-wise. If it exceeds 200k, then it will be definitely worse than influenza.
You are right but it is even worse than that this is the NWO agenda. Middle class is destroyed by this leading into socialism and a cashless system.
That's what I mean by political they want to make everyone think the only hope is socialism. Just make everyone very poor and have to rely on the government because there's no jobs because no one's allowed to open.
Yes because all the people who were against socialism many of them are going to beg for it now out of a job and cannot afford health insurance for themselves and their families.
I set up this poll to see what the general public thinks. I have formed my own opinion on the question.
Ah I see.
Just curious, do you go out without a mask?
Well I only wear a face cover if I have to like here in New Jersey a face cover is mandatory in businesses. I will wear a bandana if I go in Walmart I just know if I do not want to risk getting banned or something but I am 100% against the mask. People in the medical field who are not on TV will tell you there is a mask that prevents against viruses and it isn't a n95 or a bandana that is for sure. Do you wear a mask?
I wear a homemade face mask when I go out into public.
Just look at it this way there is a 99% recovery rate they even admit this and some countries like Australia only have like under 130 deaths and some of these deaths are from cruise ships. Why would they keep everyone locked down? Especially if masks and social distancing works they could just protect the vulnerable and go back to letting everyone work again with precautions in place.
@KatQueen1313 You're Welcome :)
Plus the mass George Floyd protests.www.usatoday.com/.../That's not exactly social-distancing.
@N192K001 Yep and for the protests for that Brooks guy now too. The reopening might not happened until next year now probably longer.
indeed... jucinda adhern locked down new zealend almost immediately and now they are almost clear of it... boris johnson dragged his feet and we had a reported 41000 deaths and a more real figure approaching 100000
And trump and his cronies are still dragging their feet. Over 2,000,000 infections known and over 110,000 already dead. Both are still rising sharply.
money over lives... during all this the rich have gotten 300bn dollars better off from tax dollars while others starve or can't get treatment
Yeap. Most Americans got ONE payment of $1,200 which at best pays a months rent and one bill. We have millions unemployed and receiving benefits, but that’s draining the system and soon that might shut down from lack of funding, and the right are still not wanting to release more assistance to those that need it.
i never understand why the poor still hang on to the opinion that creating billionaires somehow trickles down to them... this shows it perfectly but still trump will get re elected and even if he doesn't, voting biden is like voting for more of the same.
It has never worked. Demonstrably so. But they keep falling for that nonsense. Love if I kept kicking you in the nuts and promising you I would stop, would you believe me? Of course not, because you’re more intelligent than a bag of hammers, unlike them.
great analogy though this site shows some guys do love getting kicked in the balls lol
Lol it’s just like two dudes at most on anon posts I think
im sure you are right
Not necessarily. (Look at the statistics I cite from the W. H. O. itself!)It's the reporting itself that hypes the severity, whether the result of deliberate scare-mongering, the reporters truly being too scared out of their wits to balance their perspective, their employers' interests compel them to hype, and/or their the journalists' training just failed to teach them to properly process the numbers.
@N192K001 the who is a interest group, not medical expertise. The instructions for the exaggerating statistics don't come from the media. They come straight from the who. I do statistical work professionally and what the who does has nothing to do with representative science. The numbers are off by orders of magnitude as they historically always were with their predictions. Just now those predictions are taken as reality and not checked anymore.The covid numbers were currently making decisions on have nothing to do with science or medicine at all. I highly suggest looking for what dr. ioannidis says on covid. He is the most renowned expert in the field, not the WHO.Just look at the who predictions of the swine flu in 2009. They predicted 100 times more deaths than we ended up having. They even got the original food pyramid wrong. Seriously. Fuck the who. They are governed by money, not science.
*were wrong with their predictions.
@genericname85 Wow, thanks for the new, reliable source from Stanford U. Unfortunately, the commonly-cited sources (like W. H. O.) seem to be intent on pushing mass-hysteria with their projections that were wildly off target. If it weren't a U. N. entity and were just a private business selling forecasting-models, I'd have no doubt they'd be out of business.
@N192K001 in science, the who isn't commonly cited. Only in the media and politics it is. I never said the who were private. But they construct the truth after whoever pays most. People like easily digestible bullshit more than hard to understand science. That's the sad truth we live in today.
Politics are the same. It's all about money and votes. Not about the common good. If you fill enough people, truth doesn't matter anymore.
I mean that shit always worked. Religion is still around as living proof xD
@genericname85 True, you did not mention the W. H. O. being a private business. It is a U. N. agency, which unfortunately gives credibility to the common-people. I just meant that they should have gone out of business long ago under normal, non-political circumstances.And yes, democracy works ('best' or 'at all'?)… if the people are well-educated, are disciplined, and actually give a d— about the affairs of the state. In that case, we are screwed.
@N192K001 yeah I agree. That's why I was so surprised that Trump actually wanted to cut the who's budget. Not for the same reason I would have wanted it but I bet the establishment didn't like that idea at all. Cause that would mean gates would have to pay even more to have his vaccine mafia sell product like crazy.
Yup, that super-rushed vaccine that lacks the years' worth of trial-runs to detecting long-term side-effects… 😖 To think it's being pushed worldwide. Freedoms & laws curtailed, masses of people under financial suicide, cancer-patients avoiding life-saving hospital-visits, domestic- & child-abuse spikes, etc. until THE vaccine is finally released, like it's a guaranteed thing.The odd thing for me is that we've known about the other coronaviruses (M. E. R. S. & S. A. R. S.) for YEARS, but where are their vaccines? And this specific 1 is WILL come without fail despite the limited info we have, since COVID's very recent discovery? If this does go through as planned, then we know for sure that no d—'s were given about the Dengvaxia® vaccine disaster back in the Philippines or the H1N1 shot with schizo-like side-effects in Ireland. I wish I never bought a single Microsoft® product in my life.
@N192K001 we have vaccines for many of those diseases but people don't take them, cause they don't feel threattened enough by those diseases. i think that's the reason why we arbitrarily decided to blow this new corona virus out of proportion. it has been tried 2009 already but the flu type diseases always proof not to be so dangerous. that makes selling vaccines really hard so after every try, they changed the definitions of "pandemic" and other statistical definitions till they look dangerous enough so that people always decide not to get the shot unless they belong to the endangered group.germany for example always abides by the WHOs suggestion and buys a huge stock of vaccines for billions and billions of € and then after a few years, they have to dispose of those stocks for another billions and billions cause nobody wanted it.i think the WHO wants to change that and this is why we have this "crysis". also i think governments have discovered this as a unique opportunity to push surveilance state legislation, which is quite concerning, specially, cause everyone seems to approve of the 1984 (the famous Orwell novel) type shit that's going on...by the way a British doctor who happens to be a youtuber published a video about how the medical system there by testing has found a super cheap drug, that cuts the odds of dying down significantly for the severe cases.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyIgWrVrZJIbut of course that won't be mentioned in the media. politics want people to be scared and continue to belive what they say so they can continue this totalitarian dictatorship.
@N192K001 by the current definition of pandemic, the common cold is a pandemic...
@N192K001 the h1n1 thing was what i was referencing with the events in 2009. it wasn't schizo stuff, it was actually narcolepsy. they pulled the vaccine off the market and concluded that cutting down on the testing phase is really horrible and now we're back cutting it down even more as if we never learned anything.
@genericname85 Reminds me of the H. P. V.-vaccine hype from years ago. If I remember correctly, a European nation ('the U. K.', perhaps?) stocked like Hell… but actual demand was so, so much lower. Hell, they then started pushing the shot against cervical-cancer to boys to make sure the money wasn't wasted! But regardless of London's success (or failure) to use-up their self-inflicted mass-oversupply, I'm sure some politician's friend (s) made quite some quid for that! (sigh) Truly, medicine & the state need to be separated.Yeah, I doubt that corporate-owned media would tell of the cheap, already-existing medicine that can even battle COVID-19, since their Big Pharma advertisers, stock-holders, etc. wouldn't let them. In a surprise move, though, it took state-owned B. B. C. to report it, I'm guessing as a matter of national pride. Moscow's state-news also promoted their own new invention: Levilimab. I'd like to hope the world's departments/ministries of health will objectively approve the right treatments and reject the ineffective without bias, politics, geopolitics, bribes, etc. but considering human-nature & the nature of bureaucrats… maybe not.
@N192K001 most definitely not. That's why socialism never works. Humans are too corrupt.
As far as it being politicized that is true but the fact is the mask helps absolutely nobody. It doesn't cover the eyes so it is useless.
@ItalianGuy322 people don't get coronavirus through their eyes duffus. And there's tons of research showing masks reduce the spread of covid. The study below says germany reduced the growth of covid by 40% through masking.http://ftp.iza.org/dp13319.pdfwww.wsj.com/.../how-exactly-do-you-catch-covid-19-there-is-a-growing-consensus-11592317650
Actually people can contract the virus through their eyes. It's one of the reasons you're advised not to touch your face. And there is a comma before the word, dufus.
@coffeewithcream if you spent less time being a grammar nazi and more time following and comprehending the discussion, you'd know this eye discussion centered on idiotguy322 saying masks are useless because they don't cover your eyes. And a comment the mods have since deleted implying anything less than a hazmat suit was useless.this wasn't a discussion of fomite transmission which is what you're referring to.so maybe you should just stay the fuck out of it and stfu.
no offence, but the first guy you argued with was literally named "Italian guy." Remember the one country that once had an insane amount of outbreaks? Yah. Sorry to be biased, but I think it's justified.