1. Jesus was born in Jerusalem. It is currently 14°C and the lowest temperature will be 4°C tonight. Sheep don't need shelter and no Shepherds would abandon their sheep no matter how cold it was.2. In the old Julian calendar the 25th of December falls on the winter solstice. When the new Georgian calender was introduced to correct for solar drift the winter solstice changed from the 25th of December to the 21st but Christmas stayed on the 25th.3. Christmas was first celebrated in Rome 336 Ad. There was no Christianity in Germany nor real Roman presence so they didn't steal anything from german pagans. 4. The roman empire was a multi-ethnic multi-religious empire most of whom had religious festivals on the winter solstice (December 25th Julian calendar) as did most peoples globally so Christmas was made to fit into this as the entire globe had stopped working and trading, Christmas actually had a feast day celebrating a Saint before Christmas was first celebrated. Many religions in modern times in the US do this too.5. Those traditions you speak of have as much to do with ethnicity and and nationality as they do religion. 6. "So what traditions did the early Christians take from the Pagans you may be asking. Well let me tell you. There are your yuletide carols, the yule log that you burn, yuletide greetings, wreaths, decking the halls with boughs of holly, the yule tree, St. Nicholas, Odin's 8 legged flying horse (your 8 reindeer), the sun god mithra born of a virgin and had 12 disciples, feasts, and so much more." 7. Early Christians did none of these things, a lot of early Christian traditions are actually forgotten. A lot of what you are talking about is what holiday traditions Germany exported globally in the 19th century. Legends about virgin births, flying horses and 12 disciplines appears in many religions. I wonder did the German pagans steal these?
I hope you guy learned some stuff about what this time of year is really about. Merry Christmas
So the Christmas date, tree, carols, santa, wreaths, reindeers decorations etc were taken from it. What is actually christian than? Asking mostly our of curiosity. Seems to me that by the information here Christianity did actually steal it. Which doesn't matter to me. Faiths merging is better than faiths fighting in my book.
It is rather commonly thought that Jesus was not born on Christmas. Or indeed not even in winter. You have both shepherds out watching their flock and the Roman Census happening according to the bible. Neither of which would be a winter thing. You're simply not going to make people travel in winter. Or during harvest. So realistically it is after planting is all done and before harvest. The romans would have been crazy to kill their own economy and summon people in December. It doesn't make it impossible, but darn unlikely that Jesus was a winter-child.
Do you have evidence there was no census? Shepherding is a year long thing, sheep have wollen coats and are outside all year around. The lowest temperature in Jerusalem will be 3°C at night pretty reasonable compared to -3°C where I am. Gold fracensense and myrrh are rather hard to find even these days. Christian traditions vary from region to region its just in the 19th century German traditions were brought to Queen Victoria's Court and then immigrants brought it to the Americas and it just went global. The Roman Empire was mostly situated in the Mediterranean with mild winters, actually a good time to summon people because there is no farming, trading or work being done as everyone in the ancient world had a festival on the winter solstice (dec25th Julian calendar).
True, the holiday I completely pagan. It has nothing to do with Christ. When you consider , The Jews didn't celibate Birthdays , in reality lift begins at conseption. So being born is not celebrated. A look of the rubbish about Christmas is quite new. But the amalgamation of state and church , came in about 300ce. Under the rules of Constantine. Like you say it's just Yule festival Christianised..
These are little tidbits most educated people know. But what is this war on Christmas you say liberals have against Christians who liberals say have stolen the holiday? Never heard of it. But it's clear that Christmas is a patchwork of pagan and other religious and solar festivals. Hanukkah has the same number of candles to burn as Catholic Advent does. Catholic Advent came second. There are virgin births all over the place. I've never heard of 12 being a magic number, as per the disciples. But what do Biden and Harris have to do with this being the last "American" Christmas?
Well its like the Mormons when they convert nonmormons in foreign countries, the convert might be Mormon now but at the end of it all they are still culturally Japanese, English, French, German etc.
That's somewhat true. But it's according to how long the people have been here too. If you're 10th generation something, there are likely only vestiges of your initial culture. However, the vestiges that are kept are usually the best parts: like gumbo from Africa, St. Nicholas from Holland, Krampus from the Nordic countries (scary good), Oktoberfest from Germany, Bastille Day from France, crabs from Native Americans... not THOSE kind, but how to eat and catch the watery kind, as well as crawfish and other edible seafood from coastal tribes. Pastas from Italians, along with olives, olive oil. Fish fries from Catholics when they couldn't eat meat on Fridays. Became a thing to have fish fries! Now everyone loves them. So those old cultures are celebrated, but people think of themselves as Americans first, their cultural associations second.
Agreed especially in a mild winter climate in Jerusalem where its 11 degrees C right now and will be as low as 7 degrees C tonight. Perfect sheep weather.
It bothers me too how spoiled, privileged people complains about Christmas (and Black Friday, Halloween etc). I love Christmas. I am also interested in paganism and yes, I think the world was better before Christianity arrived in some aspects. But I am not devoted to any religion and I respect all religions. I also love traditions and find it spoiled and unnecessary to complain about holidays.
Someone once said that the purpose of religion is to try to control God. The Creator is more expansive than 2-dimensional Christians can imagine, Christmas trees? Chris Kringle? other non-Christian traditions? Pull them all in and celebrate the birth of G0d Incarnate any time you want. Its not Cultural Appropriation that dilutes Christianity. It is Cultural Appreciation that strengthens it.
Your point? Yes history had done screwed up things to women. What's new? Mary the mother of Jesus was impregnated at age 12 to 14. Today, we'd suspect sexual abuse if that happened
Kids today are having sex at that age, the difference is we have contraception and abortions. Life expectancy was 30 for most people. Children died in infancy a lot. Life was very short.
Considering you (as a group) think most liberals are unemployed losers, how does a capitalist buisness owner fit that mold. I just don't see how scrooge fits that mold. Also every religion that had celebrations around now had feasts. Christmas had 12 days of them.
He was also born in 6 bc and died later then 0 ad "Some scholars think that he was born between 6 B. C. and 4 B. C., based partly on the biblical story of Herod the Great. Not long before Herod's demise, which is believed to have occurred in 4 B. C., the ruler of Judea supposedly ordered the death of all male infants who were under the age of two and lived in the vicinity of Bethlehem, in an attempt to kill Jesus." he born in summer if he was born in barn palestinian winters very harsh
Again I'll have to admit I have no idea about all this. We're currently having an amazing Christmas. Today was great. Yesterday too. Tomorrow will be too. Merry Christmas everyone!!!
Liberals are the most hypocritical crybaby also sjws, on this planet they the main ones want to hurt someone just because they don't like them but if someone hurt them they start saying thats a crime
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