an older picture of him. though it's said it's not seeing the emotional cuteness or beauty that is subjective. it is seeing the harmony in the physical appearance. 31.media.tumblr.com/.../...tmGZs1rt9ynxo1_1280.jpg
Well thinking of harmony in physical appearance still second one has better harmony as first one has broader jaws. Although second one has sharp features which are mostly seen in female facial structure which actually makes more males incline towards beauty of the second one because it is a natural instinct from males and vice versa for females. Anyways, still thinking about why you asked that question...
"the second is Chosen in younger age to show you it's not which one you prefer "sexually" as a man, but without any feeling in which one you See the ideal of beauty more." it's doesn't matter if you are a fan or not, it's not who you prefer as a man or manly person. it's which face you see more harmonized, that's all.
i see. then i say the second one
Actually you know what this pic wasn't much improvement...
read the update. "the second is Chosen in younger age to show you it's not which one you prefer "sexually" as a man, but without any feeling in which one you see the ideal of beauty more."
Yeah, and I understand that.Trust me I wouldn't want Kanye sexually anyway...But honestly your not going to get the answers that you want from any of us because considering we don't know the two guys we have no other way ti base them off of anything than there appearance.And when judging beauty if it's not the overall person being judge I mean personality then it automatically relies on physical appearance.
it is about the physical appearance and the physical beauty. we are talking about the ideal of beauty, just in which face you see more harmony. that's all.
I get what you're saying but at the same time it doesn't make that much since.You just said it's about the physical appearance/beauty.So I answered it physically which is based off of their looks. Well at least that's the definition of physical beauty I know.But as of harmony I'd go with guy #2 it seems much more peaceful and harmonized. Vs Kanye which one his pic looks kinda I'm not sure how to describe it let's just say not harmonized. Plus I know things about Kanye that support my statement.
The question is very simple and shouldn't taken as a complicated question. and the physical beauty "you know" is your subjective preference that has been said and is different in every person. the ideal of beauty is one view of the harmony you said in the last part. and thank you for the answer.
I understand well at first I was confused but then I caught on.But in the last comment that you left before I gave you the answer you wanted to hear you said it is about the physical appearance and the physical beauty which pretty much went against everything else you were saying.I'm guessing you meant it ISN'T about the physical appearance and beauty... Which threw me off at the top part of my last response.And yw sorry for the confusion and thanks for your patient.
read the update. "the second is Chosen in younger age to show you it's not which one you prefer "sexually" as a man, but without any feeling in which one you See the ideal of beauty more." it's doesn't matter if you are a fan or not, it's not who you prefer sexually as a man or manly person. it's which face you see more harmonized, that's all.
The first one still.
Honestly though i don't like either. I'd say the first one because I don't like the other at all.
and as it is said that the question is not who you like that is your preference, the question is a simple question of harmony.
She means, which out of the two has a more proportionate face...
I got that now @ LovelySerene but anyway thank you for trying to explain. @Asker, The second one.
thanks for the answer.
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he is wunderschön for sure. thank you for the answer.
What crazy word did you just throw at me? LOL!!! What the hell is a wonder schon?
means very wonderfully beautiful.
You really like him huh? Do you listen to his music?
i don't dislike him. but i don't listen to rap totally.
Oh ok. You seem like the screaming heavy metal type.
please just the first or the second. this is just a question nothing more.
Oh atheism... This is too much.
Okay, fine. I choose the girl on the top left.
okay, thanks for the answer.
read the update SaVes, "the second is Chosen in younger age to show you it's not which one you prefer "sexually" as a man, but without any feeling in which one you See the ideal of beauty more." it's doesn't matter if you are a fan or not, it's not who you prefer as a man or manly person. it's which face you see more harmonized, that's all.
Okay. To me, the ideal beauty for a man's face is definitely ruined by strongly feminine features. So even though the first one is far from my type, I still find him more beautiful, in that sense. :)
The ideal of beauty is not subjective, that is your preference. as it is confused by others better saying this way which of have the two have more orderly proportioned face leading to harmony. do not think about their manliness because it is not even comparable the Nordic boy is teen yet. just the harmony.
SaVes, she means Proportions, she's using some weird mathematics definition of Harmony that really means Proportionate
Aren't you asking us what WE think which of these two is more beautiful? If you're talking about some ideal that is written down in some old books or whatever, then why would you ask us for our opinion?You asked which one we find more beautiful (or less not neautiful), and I answered for myself. It's pretty simple.
@LovelySerene:Sounds like what the Nazis defined as "ideal beaut". Haha. NO THANKS. :P
it's not weird definitions. and i'm asking what you "See" not "think" but assumptions, it's very different. it's all about physical appearance not anything else.
Well, I "see" two males that are neither my ideal of male beauty, but one that is less far away from it than the other, and that one is the first one.I don't quite get you. You asked this question to get individual opinions, yet you're not willing to accept any opinion that is not confirming your own. What's the point of all this then? Haha.
Haha, she expects everyone on here to understand her made-up definition
i'm asking individuals which one they find more harmonized in the first look. that's all. if that is (1) say and if it's (2) say, many said (1). i only comment when you are still confusing the seeing of the harmonized one with subjective preference. all and all that's all.
Alright, I see. Well, they both have symmetrical facial features, so I don't see how one would be more "harmonized" than the other. The proportions of the features are different, but what kind of proportions look beautiful and which ones don't, that's in the exe of the beholder and a matter of preference after all.I generally find the whole idea of determining something as subjective as beauty by proportions and "harmony" completely nonsensical and useless. Beautful is what YOU find beautful. Nothing more, nothing less. :)
beauty has an ideal of order and as said harmony is in everything but it can be more or less in two because nothing is absolute. when we talk about beauty we have actual logical definition of how angles make a more "in order" system wholly. and we want to see what is that law saying between these two men. very simple. and what we find more in order we find more beautiful.
Who is this "we" you're talking about? Some kind of sect that has made up rules for beauty? Why is it so hard for you to accept that everyone has their own definition of beauty? Does it really bug you so much?Like I said, both these faces are "in order" - they are both symmetrical. Only the proportions are different.It seems to me like you have an agenda you're trying to advocate. No offense, but I think you need to leanr to accept that people have their own "laws" of what is beautiful. Over the course of human history, different cultures always had different ideas of what is the ideal beauty. So there definitely is no natural law about it or anything. And believing otherwise is just silly.
of course everyone has his/her definition of beauty and that is called "preference of beauty" not the "ideal of beauty". when we talk about the ideal we talk about observing one thing by logical mathematical rules of nature. very simple. what we call as the ideal of beauty maybe not preferred by millions but still "is" the ideal of beauty. because getting attracted to humans has far more complicated reasons related to genetics to be just determined by looks. but beauty is something not in your mind but in the nature. and about the two being symmetrical, of course they are. if a face is not very symmetrical it's simply no natural every face has "order", what we want is who has the most orderly harmonized face. very very simple. and it's absolutely not a hard thing to see.
Well, mathematics can describe a lot of things, like symmetry. But how beautiful a certain kind of symmetry is or not, is completely subjective.Maybe you should stop speaking for all humanity, because obviously not everyone agrees with you. Don't tell us what WE want. We know better what we want than you think we do. ;)
I think you're very deadlocked in this whole idea of "ideal beauty". And I don't get why it even matters so much to you. Isn't it more important that people know what they indivisually find beautiful than that they all agree on the same thing? What would even be the point?Beauty is a purely human concept. Think about it.
i'm not trying to tell you what you want. you "like" what you want. this is a simple questions wanting people to look at the two out of their subjective feelings and comment in which one they see harmony more than the other. if you see it in (1) you say (1) as many said, if you see it in other you say that. but preferring is what is avoided in this question. it is about mathematics an geometry. you're still confusing the preference, and i do understand. thanks for the answer though.
beauty is not a human concept it is in every creature. what we see as more beautiful peacocks the female peacocks see the same and it's observed they go for them for copulation. beauty is not subjective it's a logical universal law of nature.
It is impossible to judge the beauty of something without putting in your subjective perception.Mathematics can describe symmetry. Symmetry is only beautiful if you - subjectively - perceive it as that. And that's very simple.No offense, but tring to actuall describe beauty with mathematics is silly and useless. The concept of beauty is inseperable from the individual eye of a beholder.
Sorry, but you're simply wrong about that.
You're disregarding that standards of (human) beauty have always changed over the course of history and have always been different in different cultures, and still are. So obviously, (human) beauty is not natural but cultural.
if you mean wrong about the peacocks, go see yourself i'm not to describe more. and it's true about all the other creatures too. from lions with more logically beautiful looks to parrots with more beautiful feathers. this is not new that beauty is a universal law following the chord and discord law. and yes it is absolutely possible to determine beauty with mathematics, it determines which is more proportionate the more proportionate the more harmonized the more harmonized the more beautiful that simple. your definition of beauty is subjective and wrong. you cannot see the nature outside of what has been created to your mind in a cultures. that is not the definition of beauty.
what we see as beauty is a overall harmony in the whole universe made by the process of trial and error between two fields of power. that makes a pyramid shape structure of beauty from down to high to average.
I repeat, the standards of HUMAN beauty has always changed over the centuries, again and again, and even right now there are different standards of HUMAN beauty all over the world in different cultures. But it's obvious you're going to continue to ignore that, because obviously you have a tunnel vision and you're only goal is to advocate your agenda. Well, it's hard to take you seriously that way.
beauty is absolutely not related to just humans.
That's why I keep saying "HUMAN beauty". The beauty of human beings. And the two people in the pictures are human beings. And you were asking about human beauty.Holy shit, that's what I call being deadlocked. Haha.
i'm sorry but it's hard to take "you" seriously. the ideal of beauty was always one. like the son is always there and like mathematics laws will never change in the universe. it was the preferences that changed through history. and even though many details changed we still know an ancient Greek look as beautiful even in our preferences.
human beauty and we say beauty is universal we say humans are a "Part" of the whole universe. humans are not parted from nature and follow exactly its rules as everything else.
The ideal of beauty was always one? Have you ever read a history book? Have you ever read about different cultures than your own? The ideal of beauty ALWAYS changes. I can't believe you don't know that. Haha.By the way, how about this for ideal beauty: favim.com/.../...te-black-man-Favim.com-109986.jpg;)
you are parting the humans from all nature and making them independent beings following their own rules that is completely false. if they wanted to follow another rule every individual would as well create a world for himself with his own laws. as i said your talking with your subjective emotions. nothing more.
you're trying to blindly defend something because you think i am fighting. there is no fight there's only logic. if you find it harsh, it's your emotional problem.
Now you're contradicting yourself. You kept saying this is about the "ideal of beauty". The ideal of beauty used to be a different one, and before that it used to be yet a different one. And so on. And the current one will change too.
the "ideal of beauty" never changed. it was the "preference" that changed. saying an "ideal" changes is not doesn't make sense logically, for an "ideal" is a law. and in this matter the ideal is a simple law of harmony of nature. the preference will change as the people move, get mixed and so on. and as i said determining preference is very more complicated to determine it with looks. understand the difference. beauty is law, it's universal and will always be the same, preference will change as humans get mixed and cultures get influences.
in terms of beauty a peacock can be as much beautiful as a lion but still the female lion won't "prefer" a peacock. that is the simplest way to understand the difference of "preference and universal beauty".
You obviously have never heard of natural selection then. The features in animals that succeed most in finding a mate, adapt over the course of evolution. So even if by "ideal beauty" you mean something that's determined by nature, it's still something that changes.Either way, you seem very passionate about this, which makes me believe you have an agenda. I wonder if your agenda would be the same if you weren't white...
The law is the same, the nature creates in a process of trial and error between two powers the fittest always come in the most harmonized shape. and no, if we were 60000 years ago we wouldn't still call the humans near to the ideal because nature make the creatures more "fit" through time. the "ideal" is one and will never change. we are being more or less near to it. done. and i do not have an agenda, if you want to think that way and become defensive let it be. you're just seeing logic as harsh and that is your problem not mine.
Sorry, but your "logic" makes no sense. Maybe you don#t quite understand the meaning of the word "ideal"? Well, I doubt you will then.
it is called "the ideal of beauty" so to have it as a destination, as i said it is the universal law of harmony. you do not want to accept because you're defensive that's all.
"the second is Chosen in younger age to show you it's not which one you prefer "sexually" as a man, but without any feeling in which one you See the ideal of beauty more." it's doesn't matter if you are a fan or not, it's not who you prefer as a man or manly person. it's which face you see with more harmonized proportions. it doesn't follow the subjective meaning of the beauty. just the objective physical harmony.
that is not called feminine looking he's a Nordic man. just answer the Question.
Nordic man wins all day.
But to answer your question, neither of them are attractive. The second one looks like a girl.
he's an actor and he's not famous for just for his looks. and it's not preference, it could be a ordinary boy. just which one of the two.
I guess the second one, since he looks more like a chick?
doesn't matter looking more womanly or not. it's not a preference question as i said.
I choose Kanye
okay, though remember it's not a fight. thanks for the answer.
Who's fighting? O. o
i didn't say one is fighting, just said the question is not a fight to be answered by subjective emotions, that's all. and again, thanks.
doesn't matter being a fan or not. it's not saying which one you prefer or like. it's saying which face you see as more near to beauty. that's all.
I can't base beauty from a photograph. To me beauty is from within, and since I don't know either I can't answer.
it is asked about physical ideal of beauty and not asking about personality and what you see as beauty. just the harmony of the faces. the idea of having two famous people is just to show two ideal of two race have been chosen and no discriminating is there. so it's all about physical harmony and nothing else.
You're asking me to pick based on your perception of physical harmony, and in cannot because I don't view it that way. 1) I'm not a plastic surgeon and 2) it's not my definition of "ideal of beauty".
your definition of beauty is your subjective preference. the ideal of beauty is based on harmony and harmony is universal not subjective.
Ok, well, guess I should have avoided posting anything then ;)
no, it's cool. thanks for your answer.
"the second is Chosen in younger age to show you it's not which one you prefer "sexually" as a man, but without any feeling in which one you See the ideal of beauty more." which face you see more harmonized, that's all.
note this, it is a beauty test, not who you prefer. beauty is determined by the harmonic angles of the faces. thank you for your answer.
Well people have different perspectives of beauty. If I was a girl I'd go with Kanye over the second dude.
that is called subjective sexual preference not perspective of beauty, that is what people see as beauty. the beauty as an ideal has an actual definition of being more Mathematically harmonized, again thanks.
it's not preference. it is just which one you see as the more beautiful between the two. done.
Well you're asking our opinion, which is our preference... Not sure what you're getting at, besides, you said they are both known and loved by many... but I've never seen the second guy in my life.
he was very famous in 60's i think. or 70's if i'm not mistaking. and by preference i mean sexual preference, that is not questioned here. that is different with answering by the ideal of beauty that is harmony.
I'm not talking about sexual preference, but everyone has different preferences on what is beautiful... so asking us to choose who is more beautiful NOT based on our preferences... what are we supposed to base our answers off of?
The beauty as an ideal has an actual meaning of being more Mathematically harmonized. the views of beauty is what we call sexual preferences.
I have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about... Who's ideal of beauty? Not all preferences are sexual, I'm not a sexual person at all... you're pretty much saying for us to tell you who is the most beautiful based on NOTHING... Then the answer can only be nothing. YOU MAKE NO SENSE!!!
sexual preference is which male you see as the more preferable for you emotionally or sexually in a subjective view. ideal of beauty as i said is determining without emotions which one has the more mathematically harmonized face. that is all. and as everyone can understand harmony it's not a hard question to answer. if you don't understand harmony, that's another subject to argue.
I think you are just making crap up, I tried looking up what you were saying about "Mathematically harmonized face" and found nothing... if you're talking about proportions, but trying to use a fancy failed way of saying it, then I would know what the hell you're talking about. Either way Kanye is NOWHERE near beautiful.
harmony is a very old definition of beauty from ancient Greece based on observing the nature. real some of Plato's works on beauty and you will understand.
So you want us to base this question on whatever ideal of beauty Plato has? What are you talking about? I'm not going to read something just because you can't state a question properly.
that is not the subjective ideal of beauty of a person that is what is observed in nature. and was and is accepted to determine the physical beauty. the question is absolutely easy.
YOU MAKE NO SENSE You can't even tell me whose ideal of beauty we are talking about... society's? Everyone has an ideal of beauty, are we talking about face proportions? NOTHING in this question is easy, most of the people here answering have no idea what you are talking about.
we are talking about Logical ideal of beauty that is determined with harmony. all and all very simple very easy. done.
Ok, maybe you expect everyone who answers to have read Plato, the only definition of "Harmony" that I know (that doesn't involve music) is peaceful and calm. I'm sorry, but "Logical ideal of beauty that is determined with harmony" What?
well, i don't know your name, so LovelySerene just look at the first picture and see the angels of the face with lips and forehead, chin and jaws, then compare which one is more harmonized. very simple and easy. that's all the question is asking.
So you DO mean proportioned, if you would have said that to the beginning, more people would understand.
Kanye's jawline looks bigger than the top part of his head, his hairline is uneven, his right ear sticks out more than his left...
uhum okay, then?
That's from looking up several pictures of Kanye, I can't find enough good pictures of the other guy to proper see his facial proportions
I don't know anything about Plato, but his version of the word "harmony" according to you is the exact same thing as Proportions, except you wouldn't say it as it is even when I asked like twice.
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Not good enough, I would need a face forward picture, not an angled
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Hmmm it's a bit harder because the features I found disproportionate with Kanye, are pretty much hidden on him, mostly because of his hair, but for the most part his face looks proportionate... his eyebrows may be slightly uneven, but it's hard to tell with his hair.
uhum, and proportionate means harmonized. and it says which one is "more" harmonized, the absolute doesn't exist.
Well I don't know where you're from, but I've never heard the word "Harmonized" as the same definition to Proportioned... I wasn't looking for an absolute, but the people you chose were a bad comparison... but I will still go with my first choice, since I was unable to find as many disproportionate features as Kanye.
proportions are our tool to determine harmony. and read the update, "the second is Chosen in younger age to show you it's not which one you prefer "Sexually" as a man, but without any feeling in which one you See the ideal of beauty more."the two are there just to see which has the more harmony in his face obviously determined by seeing the proportions. so very simple.
and the pictures are actually enough. you don't have to see the ears necessarily because hair is a feature itself.
Enlighten me... what's YOUR definition of Harmony that obviously isn't in the dictionary? I don't give a crap about Pluto, I'm talking about in modern times.
harmony. don't you understand harmony really? harmony means being in one order, system, having more orderly proportioned structure. it's very simple and i have no idea why can't one understand it.
I found a definition that says "a pleasing visual combination"... well that could also be taken as "pleasing to the eye" which is subjected to change for each person
I have NEVER heard that definition that you stated NEVER in my life
I'm sorry but you do not know mathematics and Geometry and i cannot argue with you on the subject you are confusing.
Math gives me a migraine, I don't understand why you can't use proper terms like Proportionate... I looked and looked, but I couldn't find any definition to support what you say... You can't expect everyone on this site to be math whizzes and read Plato in all their spare time... YOU are the confusing one.
Mathematics and Geometry laws are very simple and can be simply seen by eyes. specially when it comes to a simple subject as this. the answer takes about maybe seconds to come to the mind. you are making things complicated, and then getting confused.
No, just because math comes easy for you doesn't mean it comes easy for everyone... that's common knowlegde... I can't even find YOUR definition to the word Harmony, and you tell me I'm making this complicated? IF you would just use the proper word in the first place, nobody would get confused on this question.
if your problem is the proper common word, well you already found it. done. and i think you answered number (1), so you answered. so thank you.
NO, I answered number 2, Kanye has too many disproportionate flaws
I think you just want people to say 1 cause you like Kanye
no, there's no purpose. it's actually just a simple beauty test. but anyway. i think the argument is done.
It's not even about beauty, it's about proportions... your logic is flawed
proportions determines harmony, harmony determines beauty. you're really not good in finding logical relations.
You are the one making up definitions for words... I still can't find your definition anywhere, I even looked up math terms and it was nowhere to be found
i'm sorry i really cannot argue more. this doesn't go anywhere. i think you have to have more knowledge about the whole subject to argue. so let's not continue. and thanks again, at least you have questioned the whole thing instead of just answering.
"the second is Chosen in younger age to show you it's not which one you prefer "sexually" as a man, but without any feeling in which one you See the ideal of beauty more." it's doesn't matter if you are a fan or not, it's not who you prefer as a man or manly person. it's which face you see more harmonized proportions.
The second guy looks like a girl. Id go with Ye.
you're still not answering the question it doesn't say who you prefer it says who you see more harmonized physical appearance, with more orderly proportions.
thank you for the answer.
No problem :)
A Nordic man. the Question is not whether you prefer him or not, just which one is more beautiful.
although he is not my type i'll say kanye west... looks more like a man
i said, it's not who you prefer. and thanks for the answer.
AHA the predefined views on how a man and woman should look like :D THAT is contrary to nature's intentions :)
That's Bjron Andersen when he was 14 or 16 I think. He's a Swede actor / musician
yes he was 17 here i think, and that is why i chose him to show it's not who you prefer sexually as a man but who's more near to the ideal of beauty.
In that case, I still prefer Kanye's face. Tbh you chose a fairly odd picture of him, not really fair to choose a picture of him looking pissed off vs. a picture of some child who looks more neutral.He looks more attractive here. www.ablackcelebrity.com/.../...-West-image-032.jpgPeople are naturally more drawn to those who look kind and gentle. You obviously chose a bad picture of Kanye to get people to agree with you that the white boy is prettier. I still think he isn't.
Lmao! I sumtimes think dat way too
my pleasure :)