Game of Thrones Battle Royal?

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just curious who would take this battle royal

Jon Snow " Series Final Version after all his training and battles "

Brianne Of Tarth " Series Final Version "

Grey Worm " Series Finale Version "

Ned Stark " In His Prime "

Jorah Mormont " Series Final Version

Gendry Baratheon " Series Finale Version "

Tormund Giants Bane " Series Final Version "

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Answer 1

NamerOfStars | 949 opinions shared on Other topic.

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Easy: prime-age Ned Stark. Why? Well, let's look:
-Jon, in his final version, ceased being a character with independent thoughts and ideals, and could easily be distracted with "What if your queen wants you to have it?" and then stabbed.
-Earlier Brienne might've been a match for him, but by the end, she, too, had lost all semblance of character, sobbing uncontrollably as Jaime says he's a bad man and abandons her to go back to Circe. Early Brienne would've tackled him, dragged him back into the tub, and lectured him (and Tyrion, for that matter, if she overheard that conversation and that ONE FUCKING LINE that obliterated Jaime's character arc) about how, no, a person who risks his own life to abandon his name and reputation to fight for THE LIVING in a hopeless battle against the army of the dead AFTER having committed regicide to save the million people in King's Landing is NOT a bad man.
-Jorah Mormont went into that same battle wearing armor apparently made of cheese, judging by the way a WOODEN weapon managed to pierce it enough to kill him. Not to weaken him into being killed by something else, but to do it outright. Ned's armor, on the other hand, is ARMOR.
-Gendry "I don't even know what my bastard name is supposed to be" Waters has the physique, but while surviving battles is impressive, he doesn't have the training as a real warrior.
-Tormund, at the end, laughed at Jon for having climbed onto the back of a dragon, asking "what kind of person climbs on a fucking dragon?", ignoring the fact that HE, himself, had done so just a few weeks earlier, suggesting some kind of easily exploitable mental problem.

Ned Stark's main weakness is his excessive honor, which doesn't translate much into combat (look at how he killed Arthur Dayne). He'd stomp them all.

Basically, anyone who died before season six, when the writing went off the rails, is going to outshine those who were around long enough to have their characters destroyed.

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Asker

4 mo
true i think if jon wasn’t made into such a empty character who was only used to further the plot he would have been a badass in season 8 and could have been a much better fighter given the chance and wasn’t restricted to “ your muh queen “
NamerOfStars

4 mo
It's such a shame it was all so rushed; the dialogue (probably Martin's strongest suit) just collapsed once they didn't have any more books to draw from, but the last two seasons really sent the characterization to hell.

Jamie was all about recontextualizing: at first, we saw his actions (with Aerys, anyway) as dishonorable oathbreaking, and saw him as an awful human being. Then we learn WHY he did it, and realize that we only saw that as awful because we heard about it from Ned Stark's perspective, which colored our perceptions of everything he did. It also colored HIS; in-universe, he began to see himself as an immoral oathbreaker, and it showed- the Jamie who killed Aerys to save King's Landing is not the same person who shoved Brandon Stark out a window. It was a fascinating, almost Rashomon-esque examination of what perspective can do, and made for a very clever rebuttal of the good-vs-evil mentality many people went into the books with (they explain earlier than the show did).
NamerOfStars

4 mo

Like many people, I had lots of ideas about how it all would end, especially since I actually know how the Wars of the Roses ended (why so many people read the books or watch the show and then never read up on the events that inspired them baffles me), with Henry VII basically Littlefingering his way onto the throne, and hoped for a suitably epic conflict between Baelish and Varys (to be fair, that would be really, REALLY hard to well, but the writers had all the resources they could've asked for). Instead... man, I don't know which of their characters was screwed over more.

In comparison to a lot of other characters, Jon got off light; his character wasn't derailed, just abandoned. He combined courage with competence, honor, AND pragmatism; which made him almost unique in this world, but that would've made for a predictable person, and I guess we just can't have that anymore. When Sam asked him "You gave up your throne for your people. Would she do the same?" and the question was never answered; when Tyrion said "The ringing of the bells means surrender [an especially odd choice, given what Davos said before the battle of Blackwater Bay]" (or whatever his exact words were), and Jon just... stared at him; when his own men spontaneously became evil and started raping and murdering everyone they came across in King's Landing, and Jon just looked confused; it all adds up to the writers just deciding he doesn't need a character anymore, and it would be better if he didn't have one. They didn't even let him kill the Night King!
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Asker

4 mo
true they built it u so much the big jon snow vs the night king and him possibly being the legend azor ahai then they just throw arya in and she kills a character she hasn’t even met once prior to that battle jon has had multiple stare downs with the night king and was getting hyped up to be the one who saves the world from the dead and they just ripped it away and left him stranded without any where to move his plot other than “ your mouh queen “ which i found terrible they turned jon into basically and plot key that was used just to kill dany and that’s it then he just disappears north and that’s it for his arch i am so disappointed with the build up they gave him but no actual reward or point of everything he has done like his targaryen heritage was just thrown out there and never touched on again i didn’t even see the point of them pointing it out if it wasn’t gonna make a return as a plot point or anything

Answer 2

Asker

true i think if jon wasn’t made into such a empty character who was only used to further the plot he would have been a badass in season 8 and could have been a much better fighter given the chance and wasn’t restricted to “ your muh queen “

Answer 3

NamerOfStars

It's such a shame it was all so rushed; the dialogue (probably Martin's strongest suit) just collapsed once they didn't have any more books to draw from, but the last two seasons really sent the characterization to hell.

Jamie was all about recontextualizing: at first, we saw his actions (with Aerys, anyway) as dishonorable oathbreaking, and saw him as an awful human being. Then we learn WHY he did it, and realize that we only saw that as awful because we heard about it from Ned Stark's perspective, which colored our perceptions of everything he did. It also colored HIS; in-universe, he began to see himself as an immoral oathbreaker, and it showed- the Jamie who killed Aerys to save King's Landing is not the same person who shoved Brandon Stark out a window. It was a fascinating, almost Rashomon-esque examination of what perspective can do, and made for a very clever rebuttal of the good-vs-evil mentality many people went into the books with (they explain earlier than the show did).

Answer 4

NamerOfStars

Like many people, I had lots of ideas about how it all would end, especially since I actually know how the Wars of the Roses ended (why so many people read the books or watch the show and then never read up on the events that inspired them baffles me), with Henry VII basically Littlefingering his way onto the throne, and hoped for a suitably epic conflict between Baelish and Varys (to be fair, that would be really, REALLY hard to well, but the writers had all the resources they could've asked for). Instead... man, I don't know which of their characters was screwed over more.

In comparison to a lot of other characters, Jon got off light; his character wasn't derailed, just abandoned. He combined courage with competence, honor, AND pragmatism; which made him almost unique in this world, but that would've made for a predictable person, and I guess we just can't have that anymore. When Sam asked him "You gave up your throne for your people. Would she do the same?" and the question was never answered; when Tyrion said "The ringing of the bells means surrender [an especially odd choice, given what Davos said before the battle of Blackwater Bay]" (or whatever his exact words were), and Jon just... stared at him; when his own men spontaneously became evil and started raping and murdering everyone they came across in King's Landing, and Jon just looked confused; it all adds up to the writers just deciding he doesn't need a character anymore, and it would be better if he didn't have one. They didn't even let him kill the Night King!

Answer 5

Asker

true they built it u so much the big jon snow vs the night king and him possibly being the legend azor ahai then they just throw arya in and she kills a character she hasn’t even met once prior to that battle jon has had multiple stare downs with the night king and was getting hyped up to be the one who saves the world from the dead and they just ripped it away and left him stranded without any where to move his plot other than “ your mouh queen “ which i found terrible they turned jon into basically and plot key that was used just to kill dany and that’s it then he just disappears north and that’s it for his arch i am so disappointed with the build up they gave him but no actual reward or point of everything he has done like his targaryen heritage was just thrown out there and never touched on again i didn’t even see the point of them pointing it out if it wasn’t gonna make a return as a plot point or anything

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