Since no one has ever come back from the dead to tell us one way or another, and theMore we learn about biology and the universe points away from an intelligent being, and prayers have as much chance as being answered as any random event, it is easy to understand why atheists are on the rise.
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I'm atheist and have great hope for the future. Why would that be different?I also have a lot of people looking out for me - my family, friends, colleagues. I'm really sorry for you if that isn't enough for you to feel happy.
Why are you feeling defensive, what did you read that bothered you?
Defensive? I simply explained that your impression of what atheists feel is misguided. I'm sorry if that came of as defensive.
It kind of did.I Meant hope for the future in terms of our world and all it's problems, and after death
I have hope for the future of our world. I can't really see why religion would play a role in having that hope?And for me, when I die, I die. If anything knowing that this is all we get makes me appreciate life even more.
I Mean in terms of all the bad things that go on, like death and was and the environment. Religious people have the assurance that although things are bad now, God has a plan and everything wrong will be made right eventually.Atheists might be able to try and find solutions to some problems in the world, but never fix them entirely. As far as atheists are concerned there will always be suffering and disease and death. As to the death thing, that's you individually, we're talking about people in general. I'd Personally prefer to have hope after death than be told, 'You've got eighty-odd years and then that's it, you'll never see anyone you love again'Basically, almost any problem in life, religious people have assurance it will be solved. Religious people are just putting up with suffering temporarily until whatever their faith is promising comes. Atheists live with suffering and are told that's all there is and it will never get better. They're not given hope, they just have to make the most of what they have
Religious people don't have answers to the big questions, they have delusional beliefs based on no logical evidence.
You could just as well claim that religious people don't care as much about the world because they expect to be bailed out. Or that a religious person might spend her life worrying about the wrath of god, hell, etc. A worry an atheist doesn't feel.Atheist don't live with suffering, we live with hope. We see the good in the world, the wonder of our existence and find joy in that we have this. We don't need the promise of something greater or a final reward to feel hope or happiness. We don't need the threat of punishment to do good. We find support in each other and that's enough for us.All I'm saying is - don't decide what atheists feel or need. It's frankly a bit insulting.
@xyz94 Why so salty? And even if they did have 'delusional beliefs', that's still an answer @NyfikenSyd That could also be true in some cases, I guess it depends on the individual.Also, I think you may have misunderstood the point of the question. There's nothing to be insulted by here
You are claiming that people who don't believe in deity/deities don't feel hope for the future, that we in some way would feel lacking with only the support of our friends and family. That we can't believe everything will be alright, that we don't think we can fix everything, that we think there will always be suffering and disease. And that knowing of our death will in some way make us hurt.In your exact words "atheists live in suffering... [told] it will never get better, not given hope."What insults me is you claiming you know this is how we feel when it's utterly wrong. Talk to us, ask us what we feel instead. Don't make up an idea based on your own idioms (without faith is suffering) to make yourself feel better about your belief.
What sense of peace are you talking about?
What! an exmuslim girl in the wild. I thought your kind didn't exist. /s
@muffin_person who is ex muslim girl? try to live in my country then 😊 i ain't being racist but based on my experience. You know about kiki challange. They forbid it and mention lot verse in koran.
Hah I know how Muslims can be. i used to live in a VERY Muslim country too.
were the hell do you live? I'm so curious which country forbid the kiki challenge?
But the athiest happiness doesn't last.
Atheists have more succesful marriages? That surprises me. I Would've thought it'd be the other way round seeming how most religions frown so much on divorce
@MsElizabeth96 Actually the frowning on divorce is actually the reason why there is less successful marriages. Divorce rates aren’t necessarily bad. Consider this: Let us make the assumption that religious couples and non religious couples would struggle through virtually the same issues at the same rate. If the issue is large enough to make the relationship unhappy, then would it still be considered a successful relationship if they couldn’t divorce. Divorce in a sense is ending an unhappy marriage. In a sense, this would explain why having the ability to divorce actually make marriages more successful.
Staying married because your religious does not equal happiness. My parents did that and they where both miserable, they only stayed together as long as they did because "God said so."
Both opinions aren't making me happy!!
horriblesheikh: Both opinions aren't making me happy!!
What do you mean by a 'successful' marriage then?
@MsElizabeth96 Overall happiness in the marriage.
Ah right, I thought we were talking about whether they last or not
I have to say the biggest problem is that I believe I am accountable for what's happening to me, while religious people can say "that's gods will" and just continue with it plus I don't believe in a after life or that there is a purpose I serve that can be depressing
I’m an atheist and I don’t believe in any of that. I do think there’s an afterlife. And it’s better that we’re accountable for ourselves. Can you imagine doing something bad and then saying “oh it’s gods will” lol. Like, if you don’t have accountability for yourself then you’re not capable of change. At least we’re capable of change.
Not a very good christian are you - calling others miserable delusional losers. I'm fairly sure that isn't the way the Bible teaches you to treat others...
Calling people losers isn't what God would say or do, please don't do that. Thank you.
@Bensbrie: No. He called them worse like, fools, vipers and children of the devil. Literally.
Those things were different and in a different context and you know it. Calling people losers is not righteous or Godly and your intent is different than that of Jesus Christ. Jesus called people like the saddducces and pharisees vipers and such because they thought they were so righteous because they followed rules rather meticulously but their religion was not pleasing to God because they were just trying to follow rules to earn salvation and they saw themselves as righteous but they weren't. They neglected those who needed Gods help and mercy and they weren't very merciful. Everything was about how it looked on the outside, meanwhile, inside they were spiritually dead. God didn't go around calling those in need of salvation delusional losers.
@bensbrie I'm happy to see a Christian who follows the word of your God in being kind and not self-serving like @hispanic-cool-guy. You are the kind of person of faith that I can respect. But if you could show me the same respect I'd rather you didn't see me as in need of salvation
@NyfikenSyd thank you. And I will show you respect of course. I just believe everyone needs the love and mercy that Christ offers but I wouldn't force anything on you. You have a choice and I wouldn't dream of condemning you or looking down on you or seeing you as inferior, because you aren't. I believe I'm not perfect as well and salvation is something even I benefit from significantly, because although I'm not flawless and will admit to that, I used to be a complete and utter train wreck. So if I say I believe everyone needs salvation it's not in aims of being condescending or lofty or arrogant or saying anyone is ignorant or any such thing. If I believe everyone needs sunshine and oxygen and water its not because I'm telling people what to do or act as if im better than them and know so much more than them, it's because I personally believe from my own experiences and the experiences of others that those things are very important for their overall wellbeing, it doesn't mean I'm going to go and tell people they must drink so much water each day and that if they dont get sunshine they will become hermits or something. I'm not singling you out or doing any such thing. I believe that salvation is made available for everyone and that it's very important, it's not that I'm telling you that you must receive anything. Am I getting my ideas across well or do you think what I'm saying makes it more difficult for you to interpret my point, if so, please let me know your ideas on it. Thank you.