@KingfuCyborg Nothing you said offended me in any way, and I am dealing with something Life-threatening, but I'm not going to use that as any excuse, because I am alive, and I have to ask, RESPECTFULLY, with your rant, WTF is your POINT? LOL, and I think we could be great friends, because you seem to have your shit together, but that seemed like a venting 'rant', to me!!Tell me what you think really, even if you think I am an ass, for saying that, here or Privately, OK?
@JackSmy that came across as a rant to you? Well i specifically said i was steelmanning a theistic apologetic so i can see if that part came across as preachy. Sorry, im used to debating religion more than actually talking about it i guess.
@KungfuCyborg No Worries, no offense taken. Maybe 'rant' was the wrong word, and I didn't mean to suggest anything bad, or like I didn't just love your post, and think that we are a lot alike, and maybe could be good friends, just chatting, offline!No need to apologize for anything, and I am not that easy to offend!! I never shy away from a good debate, as long as we can disagree, agreeably, and just learn things from each other! I don't have all the answers, and more questions, than anything!! Debates, and learning about others, and what they think, and believe is something I LOVE!
I would argue that actually Death, by aging anyway, is a biological failure and we would be better without it. To use your Minecraft reference, Creative mode.
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You can’t do much to ‘learn’ or ‘improve’ yourself dying of a painful terminal illness like cancer why wouldn’t God terminate this ‘learning experience‘ when the end is clearly in sight but drawn out.
Its amazing how many people on this site seem to be the official spokespersons for God. So what you are saying is that you personally know this person and know that they are not on the path that God has planned for them because if they were then they would not be experiencing pain and suffering wow how incredibly insightful and benevolent of you to show up and explain that right here when we needed you. See Asker!All you have to do is figure out what God's plan for you is and start following that path and then you won't be miserable or feel pain and suffering anymore! And this is from Gods spokesperson herself so you know that it's the right answer. I nominate this person for the best answer in the whole place!! yeah!!Hey here's a good idea. Since they knew that you're not on the right path now maybe they could tell you what the right path for you is and then you wouldn't even have to try to figure that out for yourself!
my answer is based on the bible, i thought i didn’t have to clarify this as i assumed it would be clear. i would never want to speak from my own opinion in this matter because the question is about god. if it’s about god, consult the bible. always. it’s the best way to find an answer.
How about the children that die of starvation? What personal trial did they need? The POW that endure torture after torture way worse than anything Jesus of Nazerene was said to be put through, what did they need to learn? Or even women POW who are raped daily. If there was a God, why would he make people go through this? I understand he couldn't outright get rid of suffering but why would he let it get to this extent?
@Randomawkwardness these are tough questions. If we do have free will, and if there is a. Devil, where should an Almighty God of the universe say, no, that’s just too far... perhaps read Job. Tough book, but powerful.
I suppose we have a choice to get raped too
@HoratioCaine I don’t understand? That is obviously not a choice anyone would make for themselves. Sometimes though we create our own suffering by the choices we make and sometimes we suffer through things at no fault of our own.
I was pointing out your last sentence. it almost sounded like everytime we suffer is ALWAYS on our own hands
@HoratioCaine well I’m sorry you took it that way
Yes let’s somehow bring Trump into this. Totally related to the topic.
@westwordbound TDS bro.
@westwordbound It is very related to the topic. The existence of Trump makes the existence of a loving God very unlikely. :(
Omg I know everything is so horrible under Trump. Really bad that there aren’t any major military conflicts, the economy is fire (minority unemployment is the lowest in history), we are finally calling China out on their cheating. But since Trump tweets and says mean and sometimes stupid things just makes him worse the Hitler. So so horrible.
@westwordbound Hitler was just the face of Nazi's the real boogie man was Heinrich Himmler and his SS
@GayLoner the man in the high castle is not reality buddy. But go ahead and keep telling everybody that theory. I’m sure it will go over well.
What did you mean by the honor code being used to prosecute people?
@Flower7 find me an example where Jesus persecuted somebody? He let an adulterer off the hook in a time where people would drag her out and stone her to death. You are ignorant and uneducated about Christianity. Yes people have done horrible disgusting things “in the name of God”. But do you truly believe religious prosecution is isolated to Christianity? Muslims still throw gay people off buildings in some places in the Middle East.
Sorry that response was meant for someone else.
Do you think God is unable to protect us from evil people?
I think he gives us a way to know in the form of (bad fellings ) clamy hands and the awareness that come with listening to your body. now all that can be science proven. There was as study done. Now as far as the Lord sending help that is an age old question !! Say a person was alone in the sea and the man cries and prayers was sent to 🙏 into heaven. the Lord answers when a boat just happens to find him. The man answers the rescue boat question. (You need help)? The man says no the lord will save me.!! The man leaves and the next guy shows up days later when the man is nearly dead from dehydration. Do you need help? No the lord will save me !! The man died and when he stood before the lord he asked why did you not save me the lord with a clear voice said child. I sent you a savior not once but twice. !!!
If that was the case, wouldn't you find it odd that the only way this god can communicate to us is through a 2,000 year old book and by prophets born thousands of years ago? I just don't really see the evidence, not to mention the bible's blatant inconsistencies and contradictions within /:
@Hunter7754 God continues to communicate with us through nature, through when love wins, when truth wins, when we get a glimpse of peace, joy, love, hope. God is in the hearts of those who believe in the power of God.
Omg that’s so fucked up.
@AJC997 So you want her to candy coat things to make you feel better? ! Okay, that's so kindergarten! I thought you knew better than that!
Look at pretty much every leader in history. Its a parade of twats yet they all rose to the top. Hitler, ghenkis khan, nero trump the list is endless. God if he exists doesn't reward the good guy
@SueAnon84 I’m just making a comment on the truth, didn’t say she needs to candy coat it
Those that live lavish and dont believe worship lucifer
Then this moron proceeds to list Trump among Hitler, Nero, and Khan yet excludes Mao and Stalin and that tranny Elagabalus
There's too many to list everyone. I just picked a few well-known names
Its not a matter of picking well known names because you didn't say DiCaprio, or Obama or Christ. No, you are listing murderous tyrants and included Trump in that list which has no correlation except that you have an animosity towards him.
Tedster, I’m deeply sorry for your loss and pain. I can’t even imagine the pain. How long has it been?
Dad passed in 2013. Mom passed in 2016. I didn't find out about her death until February of 2017, when I visited Dad at the cemetery to find my mother's tombstone beside his.
You know as well as I do that both of those tasks are impossible. However I'd like to at least disprove the concepr of heaven to you, as literally being impossible. For example, the concept of Heaven in Christianity is so absurd and so insane when you think about it that it literally could only have been designed by the minds of men without the capacity to think clearly enough about what they were really claiming to realize Heaven sounds more like hell than anything I cam think of. Christian mythology states that Believers will go to heaven and live forever and ever and ever in the afterlife at peace with God and in a place of perfection without sin. However, I try to imagine how on Earth even a few hours of that would be enjoyable alone in eternity and I cannot come up with an answer. See, here's the thing people don't realize. If you enjoy is depraved dirtiest sex, getting high, and essentially you engaging in an all sorts of things that might qualify as self-harm but are not in any way actual sins against other people then you couldn't possibly enjoy yourself in heaven because you wouldn't be allowed to do any of that since there is no sin. So the answer that Christians have come up with to try to alleviate this concern is that we don't understand what it would be like to experience Perfection and being directly accessible to God's unending infinite love and perfection in that we wouldn't have any of those desires or wants that we currently do on Earth.
(Part 2):... Ultimately this falls under the pathetic umbrella statement " you can't understand because God works in mysterious ways. But you will... but only if you believe..."... Which is another cop out designed to halt the use of logic or reason in trying to determine and work out the meaning behind some of the things that we are informed about when it comes to Christianity's claims. I'd put forth that even if we're unable to understand how we'd suddenly be okay w/not being able to engage in any of the activities that we find joy in here on Earth, it's impossible to refute the fact that if YOU are changed against your will so that suddenly heaven is acceptable to you, then you are no longer really even you. An eternity in heaven where you have been fundamentally altered into the zombie that God wants you to be sounds like torture. The same logic applies to avoid feeling sorrow & grief upon realizing you are alone, since your loved ones are all in hell.