According to Islam all people are responsible what there is. For example the humans who lived before Quran they are responsible acoording the religion of Prophet Abraham. For example Prophet Muhammed had believed his religion before Quran. Adam is the first Prophet so all people can search the truth. There can be exceptions for different situations.Can you read this thread (1-24) about reality of Al-Quran (was sended by Allah)? twitter.com/lawbeam/status/1301566050874675200
You are so rude
Ah, so it was numerology you were going to peddle.
I only tell my religion. I am not disrespectful to other religions like you
I have not disrespected your religion - I've responded to bad arguments.
@CountessSarah Let me ask you something. I'm wondering the whole time. Is your position: "I know there is no God." or is your position: "As long as it hasn't been proven otherwise I believe that there is no God."?
I somewhat object to the latter, though it's more accurate - A position of knowledge on whether a god does not exist is impossible - because theists just move the goalposts constantly and are making a claim that is untestable by design.But, minor phrasing aside, the latter sentence is closer - a god has not been demonstrated or has any supporting evidence, therefore I don't believe until that changes.
Thank you for clarification. It is an understandable stance, certainly.
@Regmorus I'm curious as to whether there was more of a point you wanted to raise? Was there to be a follow up question or~?
No, no. I just wanted to know whether you are led by the mindset of pure rigid logic (case that you well decribed as impossibility to have a certain position) or by something else. This something else could be deliberate self-deception f. e. However if it would have been turned out that your answer is "I know there is no God" it had been possible that I suggested some points for consideration.
I mean, I do call myself a Gnostic Atheist in the sense that I'm sure there is no god to the greatest extent possible. I don't grant other supernatural claims like bigfoot this weird special position of being an agnostic a-bigfootist just because I can't do the impossible of disproving something.
To be sure to great extent that there is no God is fine with me. I believe to understand why people can be sure of this and why people may not be sure of this. And I understand that this, your way of thinking is not wrong if the person at least are able to see themselves from a point of view "outside" of their mindset. Like you did by thinking about the impossibility to know as you looked at it more objectively and truth-seekingly.And being no big-footist (or similar) is fine for the same reason. I understand why, and this kind of why is okay, and can be considered honorable in certain regards.If you are currently in discussion mood I have to tell you that I can't engage in a discussion like theist -atheist. However if you are just currently in the mood for similar one, we could try to discuss the claim "With major justification belief/faith can be seen as one of the foundations or the foundation of science." I'd be playing the role of someone who defend the claim and if you disagree we can discuss it.
Just ignore her. She's an atheist and she doesn't believe the very concept of good or evil exists either, at least that's what she claims.What do you know, that's the clinical definition of insanity, claiming not to know good from evil.So people who deny Objective Morality exists are clinically insane.You asked for it, CountessSarah, I just shredded your pathetic arguments against God.
@WadeDanielSmith2 well, you both are pretty similar to me judging from your other replies of both of you to be honest. But I am always hoping for the better. And just recently she showed herself better than usual you for sure. Well all in my humble opinion and perception of course. But since you adressed me, that's it.
@Regmorus Similar?He just throws out strawmen and inane rants. I actually answer questions and offer responses to the content of other peoples posts.I've never said good and evil don't exist - They're concepts. I've said objective morality doesn't exist, and Wade consistently runs away from the question. He doesn't understand what 'morality' means, he thinks computers require morality to work. And then he calls other people insane? Yeah, Wade, go install some extra morality in your computer, buddy.
Yes, you seem similar to me. Despite the circumstance that probably for any outsider in some or many of Wade's sequences of thoughts there is no logic. And your own originate in logical reasoning.The similarity lies in lack of flexibility of thought, in seeing only one way of interpretation of things and connections between things. Subconscious refusal to consider systems of premises other than those that are convenient for your own cause. Lack of questioning and doubting own reasoning and premises. Ridiculously rigidity of your logic and frequent lack of (unflawed) logic in Wade's reasoning have this same cause.But well it's just MY OWN impression and interpretation of some properties I believe to have derived that - I believe - demonstrate your similarity, neither of you need to give it another thought.
Oh, to not induce completely wrong impression by neither of you: In the second sentence of my comment, by many of Wade's sequences of arguments I totally count myself in as "any outsider"! The logic is completely flawed or none frequently to me as well.
@Regmorus "Subconscious refusal to consider systems of premises other than those that are convenient for your own cause. Lack of questioning and doubting own reasoning and premises."Straight up untrue, and rude. I didn't come to my conclusions by not questioning and doubting. I find it... very strange you'd make such an assertion when we've never had an exchange before.
That's why I said it's only my own impression and interpretation. Aside from that they can change of course. And aside from that I actually wasn't going to tell any of you any of this. Well, it can be a delusional and arrogant belief of mine but I sincerelly believe that I don't need to have an exchange to tell that the questioning and doubting I mean never happen ed/s neither in your own nor in Wade's case.Of course I understand that I can be mistaken and would be glad to be it. So far opinions and dialogues of you both (not necessarily you two with each other) made this impression on me. But I can be blind for many things of course! Being a human.Nevertheless for now I am more or less firmly convinced that what I saw indicates that my assertions are rather justified. By the way just like you, I am convinced before I see a proof that proves otherwise. Exactly the same. What an irony:) It's not on purpose.
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I was wrong, that's even less than other religions. Way less. How the hell is the arabic words for angel and satan appearing in the Qur'an proof of it's validity?
Thank for your interest, you can read this thread 1 to 24, twitter.com/lawbeam/status/1301566050874675200
I am Muslim, too, my brother. Where are you from?
Asia. Doesn't matter what country.
Okey, I am from Turkey. If you want to say you can write with message. I would like to meet you