Agreed, also by the fact that Christianity has pilfered from older religions yet claims to be perfect.
I’d say all theists...
I think my wording originally was refering to there being many theists, not specifically many theists who can't prove their god. If I'd said 'There are already all theists who can't prove their god' it would have made no sense.
You’d be right tho. All theists can’t prove their god.
That's not under contention.
True! If you can’t provide evidence for your claim, don’t believe it exists.
Almost no one worships Satan. The Satanic churches do not. They don't believe in God or Satan.
Yes but no one is making a claim.
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@Liam_Hayden Like the MYRIAD DUMBASSES over the last 2,000 years, you are another, that DOESN'T UNDERSTAND!!! I pity you, because the answer is SOOOOOO FUCKING SIMPLE!!!
No, masks have evidence that it works. If you’re also saying dna is a code then h20 is a code. But a code is a message. Dna and h20 are just our interpretation of the way things are. We’re here because life could be here. you're like the puddle of water who thinks the hole is perfectly designed for it.
Just an interpretation? Please. The precision of life is incapable of coincidence. If God isn't God, the universe is it's own. Just like that... you've invented pantheism.
What happens if the multiverse gets proven? You gonna keep updating your theory? What if every universe is born when the previous dies?
Maybe I’m sick of dumbasses who can’t answer the question.
@OddBeMe And I am sick of the idiots, that don't use the SEARCH FUNCTION, and see that their SAME STUPID QUESTION has been asked, AND ANSWERED 100 times!! Don't call me out, when you are the dickhead, asking the SAME FUCKING QUESTION, thinking you are special, and unique!! Get real, and grow up!!!Besides, "Girls ask Guys"? Is that really the proper forum to push your Cultish Faith? What would Jesus think, if you asked, knowing that people on here are more focused on sex, and masturbation techniques and fantasies?
Someone’s triggered. Should we talk about Trump or abortion instead?
@OddBeMe "Triggered" LOL!!! :) :) :) Like a minion of a Cult could "trigger" me, even with the stupidity you present? I AM LAUGHING AT YOU!! You made me laugh at your foolishness, and LACK OF UNDERSTANDING of your own question!!! Literally LAUGHING OUT LOUD, at this question!! It has been ANSWERED over the LAST 2,000 years, and somehow, you missed the memo?
God could do that but he doesn’t. So it’s his fault. Like a child who never knew his father, yet expects me to worship him without proof of love or even existing.
No you can believe and know at the same time. It’s not mutually exclusive.
But did you find evidence that Allah exists?
Personally I can't prove that God doesn't exists because of the deatils I see in the world and our bodies and the creation generally, for me it was about finding the right religion most likely, however look around you and tell me if you can find any simple object with out maker, if simple object can't come to existence with out maker than definitely humen can't as it's very complicated and more smart
You don’t need to find if a god doesn’t exist. Have you decided that Zeus and Odin doesn’t exist? Also why do you have to find a religion? Thats like me saying I have to find a book club.
I do not know, it's your decision, but for me I can't live with out knowing why and how I'm here in this life
But you still don’t know. Religions are man made and no man can ever know. It’s ridiculous to believe one cray book over another. Why not try Scientology?
You can't judge before you search, so I wouldn't say you should become Muslim or Christian or whatever with our research
I will search into it, I can't say weather it is true or nor until I done my research, do your research on Islam you will never regret it
So you have to believe in every god until you research it. But even then, you’re fallible. What if you make a mistake? Trust me, just stop believing in anything unproven. Saves a lot of time.
I can't live my live without answering these questions properly, I wouldn't want to save up time and be ignorant about my reason of being here, everyone is free to do what he wants and whats suits his mind
True! But again, what if you investigate the right god, mistakenly dismiss him and go on to the next?
You have excuse that you have tried to find him instead of going back to him saying I was busy ignoring you
I tried looking for the Christian god but there's nothing there. If I’m wrong do I have a good excuse!
Looking into one option is not good way regardless if its religion or relocation or any other, wanna hear my advice look into Islam
You are free. But are you justified? Logically?
What do you mean by "justified"?
It’s like “proven” but doesn’t have to be 100%. Just high enough to be to real. Like the sky is blue... pretty justifiable.
But __why__ the sky is blue is provable.And, even if the proof was unknown, the observations are based on physical means.With deities, there's a Catch-22.For a deity to exist and perform acts in our physical universe, it would have to be subject to physical laws... making it physical and thus not a deity.So, for deities to exist, they cannot be subject to physical laws and thus not observable and thus not provable... or disprovable.
You just typed out my exact thoughts that made me an atheist.
"You just typed out my exact thoughts that made me an atheist."What I wrote should not have done that.What I wrote was that the existence or nonexistence of a deity was not provable.In other words, believing in the existence of a deity has no more - nor less - validity and merit as does the disbelieving atheist.I do have more to say, but not enough privacy and time at the moment.
In other words, no one has justification for disbelief any more than no one has justification for belief...Except that I may be wrong about this and their may be justification for a "quasi-deity". I will explain that later, perhaps.
For radical claims like a magic man in the sky, yeah no one has justification. But I looked up quasi deity. Is Michael Jordan a quasi deity? He can do something no other human can. Usain Bolt? The guy who beat wheel of fortune?
Quasi-deity is my term.Do you know the book "Flatland"?In Flatland, all the creatures were two-dimensional shapes. They had no concept of a third dimension. More importantly, they could not perceive any entity whose existence was not in their plane of existence.One day a sphere tries to prove to A Square (a denizen of Flatland) that the universe is 3-dimensional and that the sphere itself is 3-dimensional. What the sphere does is lower itself through the plane of existence that is Flatland. At first, A Square doesn't even perceive the sphere because none of it is in Flatland's plane. Then a point appears which grows into an ever-widening circle which A Square sees as a line, but he can walk around that line completely. Finally, the line reaches its widest length as the sphere's great circle exists completely in Flatland and then the circle/line gets smaller... then dot, then nothing... as no part of the sphere was in Flatland.A Square was shocked but still disbelieving. Eventually, Sphere takes A Square out of Flatland completely and A Square's mind is blown as he can see his entire plane of existence (Flatland) and how everyone "really" looks from outside that plane.A Square is convinced then asks Sphere about the possibility of a 4th dimension. Sphere says "Nah, that's insane..."(more)
My point in this is that the nature of our reality may not be the nature of all reality.A quasi-deity would be a being that exists and still subject to the laws of physics, but exist in other dimensions or ways in which we cannot interact. When the quasi-deity interacts with our reality (a subset of all reality), its actions may seem God-like to us... and, indeed, the quasi-deity may have indeed created us and/or our universe and watch over us.We need to understand that what we perceive is not necessarily the whole truth - or even the truth at all.Thus, it is actually rather justified to believe in the existence of a quasi-deity at least.Even though we cannot prove its existence with our limited understand of all reality and the limitations imposed on us by our reality, that doesn't preclude the existence of an entity which exists in all reality but may not exist in our reality or selectively do so like Sphere did passing through Flatland.
Again... only believe things that can be proven. This his confidence tricksters get money. And magicians.
You forget that some things can exist than cannot be proven. This is a critical thing to understand from mathematics and logic.For instance, suppose you have a line in a Cartesian plane from (0,0) to (3,4).What is the length of the line?
Math doesn’t exist. It’s a human understanding of the world. So not a great argument.
What do you mean "math doesn't exist"?Mathematics doesn't have corporeal existence, but so what.You don't even know what I am about to teach you - I haven't made an argument at all.I'm about to teach you something about provability and unprovability if you just open your mind.
I hate when theists spam you with meaningless shit because they know God can’t be proven- and thus should not be believed in.
Wrong. I believe a chair will hold me. Based on prior evidence of chairs.
No, you know that a chair will hold you- if it functions as a chair. Mechanical failure of objects does not negate knowledge of how they're supposed to work.
No, I don’t know if a chair will malfunction. But I can observe the wood, the legs to see if it’s sturdy. It’s trust based on evidence. Not blind faith. I do not blindly do anything, and i expect neither do you.
Wrong, 180 degrees, buddy. What else do you believe that you don’t know exists?
All sorts of things that I observe in and between humans, that aren't exactly provable. Mostly related to emotions and the "meaning" of things.What I was saying though, was that there's a difference between knowing and believing. I think we disagree only semantically. To me, "believing" in something is different than "trusting" in something. I trust in proven scientific facts, which is essentially the same as "knowing", although nobody actually knows anything. We can really just trust in what appears to be the most plausible, most accurate, and most evidence-backed explanation.By the way, I don't believe in God myself.
Well. We have no real argument then. Though I think logically belief and knowing are related but not the same. Semantics either way.
Oh yeah, definitely related. I'm definitely not claiming what I said is right, it's merely my understanding and use of these words. I think I understand where you're coming from though.
It’s called 2020 and we’re all going through it.
@OddBeMeI was talking about a different Hell.
Do you worry about the hells of other religions?
Agreed. It’s more truthful. But it’s still not a good reason.
No faith is believing without proof. I can believe a chair will hold me based on evidence.
I gave the definition of "believing". Faith is similar but faith is not only accepting without evidence but even despite evidence against it.
I agree. Now why is believing something without or despite evidence against it a good thing?
Dark matter is actually measurable. Just because we don’t know what it is yet doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
If you don't know what it is how do you know what you're measuring? It might not even be matter.
You can measure something without knowing what it is. They have a lot of info on it, I beleive. Just not a lot.
Through evidence. My loves me because she kisses me before going to work. She sees if I need anything before hoping to grocery store. And conscience is a deeper subject. I’d just quote descarte “I think therefore I am”
I guess a subquestion is “what good is faith?” No other subject matter on earth has people believing in something without good evidence.
it gives hope or solace to those who need it i guess... i mean even most athiests try to believe in something to explain it all though personally im happy with existentialism where im certain im no more important than a blade of grass... it frees up so much thinking time which is much better spent enjoying whatever the hell life is
I’d just say to that person, “Your need for hope is infringing on my rights.”
well if that was the case so would i but at least where i live religion is kept out of politics in that regard
Honestly, it’s not even that bad here in Texas. Ironically, it’s the religionists protesting against gays and abortion that gets me protesting against the rights they already enjoy.
yeah i had heard about that and im pleased i live where i do... with religion out of politics we stopped talking about abortion and gay rights etc in 1967
Sorry, type that first line again. I’m having trouble making it out.
Ok dude sorry my English poor. I mean the god every time exist. The god is a realty. But not like christianty claimed. Jesus not god or gods son. he was only a human.
No worries. I can only ask that you provide proof that god is reality.
I yes I can prove but not with use English with my native language. Its diffucult for me with English
Then you can’t prove it. Language shouldn’t be a barrier.
Yes I can I said you its so diffucult without my own language.
If someone doesn’t believe Covid is real, should we prove it exists?
If people don't believe in covid19 and what it can do. There is no chance them believing in God...
That’s nuts. Do you believe in Thor, Zeus and Ra the sun god? Can’t prove they exist.
You can't prove they don't.
So you believe in all those gods because I can’t disprove them? How about the lochness moster?
The way I see it is it is a choice if you can't prove it either way
No, if you can’t prove it either way you say I don't know. If I think the number of stars isn’t even, do I believe it’s odd?
If it is not even it must be odd
No, I said I don’t believe they’re even. But also don’t beleive they’re odd. I don’t know either way. See?
So choose one. What is likely the solution?
It’s more likely that humans invented gods to feel better about death.
Thou doth protest too much.
Um, NOT ENOUGH. xx
Those who protest the loudest are ones most scared.
LOL!!! No Scared, ME Master. xx
I’m just telling you what’s logical. If it bothers you, that means you know it’s right.
Please prove your claim.
When. It's your time to pass you will see
So you can’t prove it. Yet you beleive it anyway?
If you weren’t raised with it would still believe it?
If i told you how i know you woudn't beleive which is why you need to seek yourself
Isn’t that how we know things are real? If it’s corroborated by others? Otherwise I have a pet dragon.
Do you really. Think science made this whole world. It just alll sat there and was ready to. Be inhabited by what? Where did everything come from? U think it just all appeared? Someone had to make us and put us all here
So because neither of us know, it must be god? That’s not logical.
It has to be
It has to be a god? What are you basing that on?
Everything living around you
But we can trace back everything to the Big Bang. Or at least the planck.