How many of you actually know This fact that Christmas is not the real birthday of christ?

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Becasue no one know exact birthdate of jesus, Dec. 25 is not the date mentioned in the Bible as the day of Jesus’s birth; the Bible is actually silent on the day or the time of year when Mary was said to have given birth to him in Bethlehem. The earliest Christians did not celebrate his birth.

Here is little bit of history

Both Christmas and Christmas tree are pagan traditions celebrating the winter solstice from around 4 BCE and originated in rome ,

Infact Early government officials, including William Bradford and Oliver Cromwell, tried to destroy Christmas traditions of decorating, dismissing them as "heathen" and "pagan mockery." In 1659, the General Court of Massachusetts even made a law that celebrating Christmas was illegal. The only thing allowed was church attendance: no decorations, especially trees, should be seen.

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OfDeath | 1.9K opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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Yes I knew that. In fact, the 25th of December seemed to be a popular birthday for many of the gods in classic antiquity. Horus, Tammuz, Osiris, Attis, Mithra, Heracles, Dionysus and Adonis all had the 25th of December as their birthday.
Sol Invictus was already a Roman tradition on the 25th of December so Constantine strategically declared Jesus Christ's birthday on that date.

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Bat-Perv

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1. Jesus was born in Jerusalem. It is currently 14°C and the lowest temperature will be 4°C tonight. Sheep don't need shelter and no Shepherds would abandon their sheep no matter how cold it was.
2. In the old Julian calendar the 25th of December falls on the winter solstice. When the new Georgian calender was introduced to correct for solar drift the winter solstice changed from the 25th of December to the 21st but Christmas stayed on the 25th.
3. Christmas was first celebrated in Rome 336 Ad. There was no Christianity in Germany nor real Roman presence so they didn't steal anything from german pagans.
4. The roman empire was a multi-ethnic multi-religious empire most of whom had religious festivals on the winter solstice (December 25th Julian calendar) as did most peoples globally so Christmas was made to fit into this as the entire globe had stopped working and trading, Christmas actually had a feast day celebrating a Saint before Christmas was first celebrated. Many religions in modern times in the US do this too.
5. Those traditions you speak of have as much to do with ethnicity and and nationality as they do religion.
6. "So what traditions did the early Christians take from the Pagans you may be asking. Well let me tell you. There are your yuletide carols, the yule log that you burn, yuletide greetings, wreaths, decking the halls with boughs of holly, the yule tree, St. Nicholas, Odin's 8 legged flying horse (your 8 reindeer), the sun god mithra born of a virgin and had 12 disciples, feasts, and so much more."
Early Christians did none of these things, a lot of early Christian traditions are actually forgotten. A lot of what you are talking about is what holiday traditions did Germany export globally in the 19th century. Legends about virgin births, flying horses and 12 disciplines appears in many religions. I wonder did the German pagans steal these?

I hope you guy learned some stuff about what this time of year is really about. Merry Christmas

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OfDeath

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@Bat-Perv copy and paste it a few more times.

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Bat-Perv

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Will do.

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Bat-Perv

1. Jesus was born in Jerusalem. It is currently 14°C and the lowest temperature will be 4°C tonight. Sheep don't need shelter and no Shepherds would abandon their sheep no matter how cold it was.
2. In the old Julian calendar the 25th of December falls on the winter solstice. When the new Georgian calender was introduced to correct for solar drift the winter solstice changed from the 25th of December to the 21st but Christmas stayed on the 25th.
3. Christmas was first celebrated in Rome 336 Ad. There was no Christianity in Germany nor real Roman presence so they didn't steal anything from german pagans.
4. The roman empire was a multi-ethnic multi-religious empire most of whom had religious festivals on the winter solstice (December 25th Julian calendar) as did most peoples globally so Christmas was made to fit into this as the entire globe had stopped working and trading, Christmas actually had a feast day celebrating a Saint before Christmas was first celebrated. Many religions in modern times in the US do this too.
5. Those traditions you speak of have as much to do with ethnicity and and nationality as they do religion.
6. "So what traditions did the early Christians take from the Pagans you may be asking. Well let me tell you. There are your yuletide carols, the yule log that you burn, yuletide greetings, wreaths, decking the halls with boughs of holly, the yule tree, St. Nicholas, Odin's 8 legged flying horse (your 8 reindeer), the sun god mithra born of a virgin and had 12 disciples, feasts, and so much more."
Early Christians did none of these things, a lot of early Christian traditions are actually forgotten. A lot of what you are talking about is what holiday traditions did Germany export globally in the 19th century. Legends about virgin births, flying horses and 12 disciplines appears in many religions. I wonder did the German pagans steal these?

I hope you guy learned some stuff about what this time of year is really about. Merry Christmas

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OfDeath

@Bat-Perv copy and paste it a few more times.

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Bat-Perv

Will do.

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Kaneki05 | 438 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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Of course. Christians stole celebrations from other religions and named them religions names that didn't associate with them at all and destroyed there culture. But people in today's times don't care about history nor genocide nor people been repressed and happy celebrate holidays built from it.

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1. Jesus was born in Jerusalem. It is currently 14°C and the lowest temperature will be 4°C tonight. Sheep don't need shelter and no Shepherds would abandon their sheep no matter how cold it was.
2. In the old Julian calendar the 25th of December falls on the winter solstice. When the new Georgian calender was introduced to correct for solar drift the winter solstice changed from the 25th of December to the 21st but Christmas stayed on the 25th.
3. Christmas was first celebrated in Rome 336 Ad. There was no Christianity in Germany nor real Roman presence so they didn't steal anything from german pagans.
4. The roman empire was a multi-ethnic multi-religious empire most of whom had religious festivals on the winter solstice (December 25th Julian calendar) as did most peoples globally so Christmas was made to fit into this as the entire globe had stopped working and trading, Christmas actually had a feast day celebrating a Saint before Christmas was first celebrated. Many religions in modern times in the US do this too.
5. Those traditions you speak of have as much to do with ethnicity and and nationality as they do religion.
6. "So what traditions did the early Christians take from the Pagans you may be asking. Well let me tell you. There are your yuletide carols, the yule log that you burn, yuletide greetings, wreaths, decking the halls with boughs of holly, the yule tree, St. Nicholas, Odin's 8 legged flying horse (your 8 reindeer), the sun god mithra born of a virgin and had 12 disciples, feasts, and so much more."
Early Christians did none of these things, a lot of early Christian traditions are actually forgotten. A lot of what you are talking about is what holiday traditions did Germany export globally in the 19th century. Legends about virgin births, flying horses and 12 disciplines appears in many religions. I wonder did the German pagans steal these?

I hope you guy learned some stuff about what this time of year is really about. Merry Christmas

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Kaneki05

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Yup k. And they still mass genocide pagans or as the victors of the battle who write history and Christians making themselves look not so bad "The great conversion" rather than "The great genocide".

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Bat-Perv

1. Jesus was born in Jerusalem. It is currently 14°C and the lowest temperature will be 4°C tonight. Sheep don't need shelter and no Shepherds would abandon their sheep no matter how cold it was.
2. In the old Julian calendar the 25th of December falls on the winter solstice. When the new Georgian calender was introduced to correct for solar drift the winter solstice changed from the 25th of December to the 21st but Christmas stayed on the 25th.
3. Christmas was first celebrated in Rome 336 Ad. There was no Christianity in Germany nor real Roman presence so they didn't steal anything from german pagans.
4. The roman empire was a multi-ethnic multi-religious empire most of whom had religious festivals on the winter solstice (December 25th Julian calendar) as did most peoples globally so Christmas was made to fit into this as the entire globe had stopped working and trading, Christmas actually had a feast day celebrating a Saint before Christmas was first celebrated. Many religions in modern times in the US do this too.
5. Those traditions you speak of have as much to do with ethnicity and and nationality as they do religion.
6. "So what traditions did the early Christians take from the Pagans you may be asking. Well let me tell you. There are your yuletide carols, the yule log that you burn, yuletide greetings, wreaths, decking the halls with boughs of holly, the yule tree, St. Nicholas, Odin's 8 legged flying horse (your 8 reindeer), the sun god mithra born of a virgin and had 12 disciples, feasts, and so much more."
Early Christians did none of these things, a lot of early Christian traditions are actually forgotten. A lot of what you are talking about is what holiday traditions did Germany export globally in the 19th century. Legends about virgin births, flying horses and 12 disciplines appears in many religions. I wonder did the German pagans steal these?

I hope you guy learned some stuff about what this time of year is really about. Merry Christmas

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Kaneki05

Yup k. And they still mass genocide pagans or as the victors of the battle who write history and Christians making themselves look not so bad "The great conversion" rather than "The great genocide".

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Espresso-Grande

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True Christian wouldn't celebrate Christmas, because it's rooted in paganism and false beliefs.

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Anonymous

I know. So Eastern Orthodox churches celebrate it on January 7.

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Opinion Owner

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And Armenian churches celebrate in on January 6.

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Opinion Owner

And Armenian churches celebrate in on January 6.

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Bat-Perv

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1. Jesus was born in Jerusalem. It is currently 14°C and the lowest temperature will be 4°C tonight. Sheep don't need shelter and no Shepherds would abandon their sheep no matter how cold it was.
2. In the old Julian calendar the 25th of December falls on the winter solstice. When the new Georgian calender was introduced to correct for solar drift the winter solstice changed from the 25th of December to the 21st but Christmas stayed on the 25th.
3. Christmas was first celebrated in Rome 336 Ad. There was no Christianity in Germany nor real Roman presence so they didn't steal anything from german pagans.
4. The roman empire was a multi-ethnic multi-religious empire most of whom had religious festivals on the winter solstice (December 25th Julian calendar) as did most peoples globally so Christmas was made to fit into this as the entire globe had stopped working and trading, Christmas actually had a feast day celebrating a Saint before Christmas was first celebrated. Many religions in modern times in the US do this too.
5. Those traditions you speak of have as much to do with ethnicity and and nationality as they do religion.
6. "So what traditions did the early Christians take from the Pagans you may be asking. Well let me tell you. There are your yuletide carols, the yule log that you burn, yuletide greetings, wreaths, decking the halls with boughs of holly, the yule tree, St. Nicholas, Odin's 8 legged flying horse (your 8 reindeer), the sun god mithra born of a virgin and had 12 disciples, feasts, and so much more."
Early Christians did none of these things, a lot of early Christian traditions are actually forgotten. A lot of what you are talking about is what holiday traditions did Germany export globally in the 19th century. Legends about virgin births, flying horses and 12 disciplines appears in many religions. I wonder did the German pagans steal these?

I hope you guy learned some stuff about what this time of year is really about. Merry Christmas

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Answer 12

Little_Queen02

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We celebrate the birth of christ not his birthday. Its a feast day set out by the first Christians who lived in the Roman Empire as to fit into the calender of the Roman Gods and the festival of Sol invictus, its the same as the Germanic yule tide, think the Jews within the Roman Empire did the same thing with Hanukkah. The 25th and that period was a big deal all over Europe. Other Christians not based on Catholicism have different dates for Christmas.
Basically convert Christian adapted Christianity to fit into their culture and its why Christianity caught on.
Imagine trying to convert some germanic barbarian by telling him you would cut off part of his penis and couldn't celebrate festivals they had around Halloween, Easter and Christmas.

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Dargil | 638 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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https://www.whychristmas.com/customs/25th.shtml

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ManOnFire | 100 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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Most of the world already does know this. Even ancient Christians weren't celebrating Christmas, it was a Roman invention to look like Rome was turning towards Christianity.

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TheSimonymous | 134 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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Oh wow. Next you will probably tell us that Christmas isn't Biblical at all and that it comes from ancient Babylon. Such a surprise...

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I am just stating some historic fact.
What you said is actually correct, but it was not babylonia, but rome , the first things you will notice when studying Scripture is that the word “Christmas” is not mentioned in any verse, chapter, or book of the Bible. None of Jesus’ disciples, nor any of His apostles attempted to celebrate the miraculous birth of christ. The celebration of Christmas was not celebrated by the early Church either. In fact, the practice of Christmas did not begin to take hold until the 4th Century, under the Roman Catholic Church.
the first things you will notice when studying Scripture is that the word “Christmas” is not mentioned in any verse, chapter, or book of the Bible. None of Jesus’ disciples, nor any of His apostles attempted to celebrate the miraculous birth of our Lord and Savior. The celebration of Christmas was not celebrated by the early Church either. In fact, the practice of Christmas did not begin to take hold until the 4th Century, under the Roman Catholic Church.

And The first recorded date of Christmas being celebrated on December 25th was in 336, during the time of the Roman Emperor Constantine

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Emperor Constantin has mixed the actual christianity with paganism. His army was supported by satanic forces on the battle of the milvian bridge and he refused his whole life to get baptized until his death day, but when the water touched his body he was already dead.

Okay, you have a point when you say that the actual Christmas festival comes from Rome, but I have to note that the prophet Jeremiah has already mentioned that people tend to set up a wood and put gold and silver onto it - ever seen the similarity to the Christmas tree here?
And there is also the idea that Christmas comes from ancient Babylon due to the days when it's celebrated: Holy Evening was the day when Tammuz, the son of Nimrod and Semiramis was born.

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Asker

I am just stating some historic fact.
What you said is actually correct, but it was not babylonia, but rome , the first things you will notice when studying Scripture is that the word “Christmas” is not mentioned in any verse, chapter, or book of the Bible. None of Jesus’ disciples, nor any of His apostles attempted to celebrate the miraculous birth of christ. The celebration of Christmas was not celebrated by the early Church either. In fact, the practice of Christmas did not begin to take hold until the 4th Century, under the Roman Catholic Church.
the first things you will notice when studying Scripture is that the word “Christmas” is not mentioned in any verse, chapter, or book of the Bible. None of Jesus’ disciples, nor any of His apostles attempted to celebrate the miraculous birth of our Lord and Savior. The celebration of Christmas was not celebrated by the early Church either. In fact, the practice of Christmas did not begin to take hold until the 4th Century, under the Roman Catholic Church.

And The first recorded date of Christmas being celebrated on December 25th was in 336, during the time of the Roman Emperor Constantine

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TheSimonymous

Emperor Constantin has mixed the actual christianity with paganism. His army was supported by satanic forces on the battle of the milvian bridge and he refused his whole life to get baptized until his death day, but when the water touched his body he was already dead.

Okay, you have a point when you say that the actual Christmas festival comes from Rome, but I have to note that the prophet Jeremiah has already mentioned that people tend to set up a wood and put gold and silver onto it - ever seen the similarity to the Christmas tree here?
And there is also the idea that Christmas comes from ancient Babylon due to the days when it's celebrated: Holy Evening was the day when Tammuz, the son of Nimrod and Semiramis was born.

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Gedaria

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You are right it's totally pagan.
He was born a jew , they don't celebrate birthdays...

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pleasestopthis | 94 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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A lot of us know, others prefer to ignore that fact. Christmas is a syncretic holiday that took things from pagan holidays like Yule and Saturnalia.

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Little_Queen02

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Christian converts adapted Christianity into their culture. Like where would somebody live in 8th century England get fracensense or myrr or a palm tree.
Christmas trees weren't even a think i the anglospere until the mid 19th century when it was brought to England by Prince Albert.

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Little_Queen02

Christian converts adapted Christianity into their culture. Like where would somebody live in 8th century England get fracensense or myrr or a palm tree.
Christmas trees weren't even a think i the anglospere until the mid 19th century when it was brought to England by Prince Albert.

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IlluminatiExposed0

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I knew that, but yeah.

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OceanMelon | 61 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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I know

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