@Alexandrubaschet08 Great counterpoint.
I know religion say not to kill, not to stole, not to be greedy.Then i'm alow to kill people? If religion don't teach me nothing good?
@Alexandrubaschet08 And are you following those rules only because your bible said so? If you learned tomorrow that your religion was false, would you then consider it acceptable to murder and steal?If not, then we know that your book is not the source of those rules, they just happen to coincide with your own secular morality.
If a divine sign appears tomorrow and shows me that everything I have been taught by my religion is wrong and I did not belong to the right faith, yes. Because I do not belong to any deity in that situation because I was a pagan, I served a God who was not true.My beliefs as a human being are sinful, religion has played an important role in my development as a human being. I do not follow all the rules and I admit that I am a sinner, but I still believe in God and in the forgiveness of my sins if I deserve it.Religion teaches nothing evil.
@Alexandrubaschet08 You're evading the question by insisting its just... another god that appears to you.Say you learn there was /no god/, what then?
For me is only one God. This is something divine. But if some how in a divine way it show that the bible is wrong. Then yes, i will start to kill evrybody because i simply can.I respect thous rould because yes the bible and other books say so, been Ortodox i have much more books then the bible to teach me how to be a bood person. But i'm still a sinerman.
@Alexandrubaschet08 Then I have no choice but to conclude you are A) Dangerous. And not a good personor B) Very confused about what losing your faith would actually do to you.
As long i have my fate and God whit me i'm less dangeros and very improbably that i will do such actions.God stop us to kill each other by it 10 roul
@Alexandrubaschet08 Improbable? So your god isn't even an effective deterrent. I don't need a god to stop me from murdering anyone.
The crusades were self defense against Muslim aggression.
@havingfun101 They use the name of God in order to excuse the war. They whas actions to take back Jerusalim and Constantinopole.
Either way, the browns started it.
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nor really, but you say a lot of stupit things. Whit what religion control me? I tell you, whit nothing.
My religion allows me to divorce 3 times, only if there is aggressive action or infidelity. Orthodoxy.But there are also many sinful people and couples. This statistic is irrelevant.
Personal i don't agree whit the divorce at all.
Politics works the same way and it´s not necessarily religious
Politics are proxy violence, religion is founded in theoretical violence in the afterlife, there's a difference.
@Alexandrubaschet08 Please inform of these benefits then
what bad thing religion tell you to do?
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@Alexandrubaschet08 Well it told me I basically had no worth as a women other than making kids and taking care of a man above all else
As if women take care of men... When women make more money the divorce rate goes up by 50% and women file 75% of divorces.
Religion is not made for stupid people. Religion tells you not to be lazy, to help and care for others, to respect your parents and families and your husband.If "the woman must obey the man's command" it does not literally mean that you are slaves. You choose who you married and it is ethical and respectful to choose someone you love and admire, so that they will willingly listen to each other. "I gave you a woman so that you can love her" this never referred to carnal lust but to the love of helping and appreciating her, the man is always urged to help a girl to be polite.Everything is interpretive in religious books.
Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.Okay please tell what this is suppose to mean then
Well they do in a healthy relationship, they're suppose to take care of each other
It means that, I'll just use a bible verse...: Ecclesiastes 7:28: "What I have continually sought, I have not found; I have found only one upright man among a thousand, but I have not found one upright woman among all of them."
@havingfun101 I wish you luck I'm sure one day you'll find someone right for you
Can we agree that you as women are more emotional and sensitive? If so, this interpretation is the word of the Lord for the creation of woman, men are the brave and reckless who learn through their own mistakes. You must learn from our mistakes without doing anything thoughtless. We can see again that we boys have fought most wars, riots and we are also much more dangerous. We are the ones who have the hardest physical and mental experiences over time (depending on how you come up with this sentence).You have been created more physically sensitive so we cannot be equal as long as one can kill another with bare hands, says one girl.God created man to have certain duties and the woman others. Living in harmony in this way.
Also, I don't think it would suit you for a girl to support a man, for you to earn more, to have a harder job, to know how to do more things.How would you look at a man who does only 2 things, compared to one who solves them all?
Religion does not enslave women. Man does it, not God.God speaks of love, kindness, sharing, prayers, mercy...
@havingfun101 religion don't promote divorce, personal i don't give a crap for the official papers.
Yet Christians have the same divorce rate as heathens. You're played.
@Opinion OwnerI've found her many times and rejected her consistantly as not being worth the financial and legal risks.
@havingfun101 Marriage should not be something juridic, just divine
Too late, the leeches have it, now.
@havingfun101 Isn't this on you if you've rejected her then? And you could have just gotten a prenup
@Alexandrubaschet08 Can we talk about how marriage as an institution started as a property trade, with the husband buying the wife from the dad?
@havingfun101 The idea of divorce is something so horible from your example. That is another reson not to do it.
@Alexandrubaschet08 Honesty I would rather be the breadwinner and let the guy be the stay at home parent
@Bear8828 What is God's fault if people do not keep his commandments? God gave the man, the woman for free, made especially for the man. It has never been said that a man bought or took or asked a woman from God.This is man's fault.What is God guilty of for the sins we commit?
@Alexandrubaschet08 god, if he exists, would be guilty of making the world in which we live where things can be corrupted by man and where we can sin.
@Bear8828 This is life, not the Garden of Eden or Heaven.Life is a consequence of our deeds.God is not the master and we are dogs. God is the father and we are the children, he educated us, he gave them mentors but we do what we want.Lying, being greedy, cheating, stealing, aren't they sins?
@Bear8828 I agree that life is ugly and hard, unfair, painful and in many other negative ways, but that should not distract us from the path of love and kindness.
@Opinion Owners prenuptial agreements are regularly thrown out by judges. You have the luxury of ignorance, as a woman.U: @Alexandrubaschet08 Honesty I would rather be the breadwinner and let the guy be the stay at home parent.When women make more money the divorce rate goes up by 50% & women file 75% of divorces. The men who listened when their wives said this wish they never had. You're a chameleon, but we see you.P. s. can I not blame women for being hypocrites?
@Alexandrubaschet08 what kind of loving father sends his kids to a life of eternal torment? No matter what god is ultimately responsible for what exists in the world. Either he knew we would sin, but didn't care or couldn't stop it. Or he didn't know it would happen. No matter what the blame ultimately goes to god
"Love me or I'll burn you forever."
@havingfun101 you got a source for this?
@havingfun101 If you don't love God who is the ultimate good and the truth of evrething he will not keep you whit him so the fire of hell will be the last thing that is out of haven
@havingfun101 What do you mean Im a chameleon and no you can't really blame all women for being hypocrites
@Alexandrubaschet08 god is the ultimate good? Are you saying god has never brought on a single bad thing or ever done harm?
@Bear8828 We humans had everything in the Garden of Eden, we had only one rule then, not to eat from the divine tree. Otherwise I could do everything because I had eternal life, we ate and drank only for taste, everything was good. But the only rule that was, we broke. So we are punished "sent to the corner." We are like spoiled children when we criminalize God for our deeds. Parents punish their children for educating them even if those children do not like them, as do we.
@Alexandrubaschet08 So did god not know we were gonna eat it anyway?
@Bear8828 God don't do nothing bad, never ever. Evrething God do is good.
@Alexandrubaschet08 Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I , the Lord, do all these things."
@Bear8828 folow me to stop scroling and move in to the chat
@Bear8828Appeal to authority informal logical fallacy detected.Deuteronomy 32:41"If I sharpen My flashing sword,And My hand takes hold on justice,I will render vengeance on My adversaries,And I will repay those who hate Me."Psalm 81:15“Those who hate the Lord would pretend obedience to Him, And their time of punishment would be forever."
@Alexandrubaschet08 Let's keep it here. I like the public discussion format. But what is your rebuttal? That's the bible saying god does bad things
@havingfun101 haha what authority am I appealing to? I reject the bible but I assume Alex takes it as infallible. I'm just pointing out logical inconsistency within the bible
@Opinion OwnerThat's where you're wrong, kiddo.70% of American men ages 20-34 aren't married because marriage, cohabitation and childbirth are at all time lows and women lose 90% of their eggs by age thirty and file 75% of divorces. This is an organic rebellion.
@havingfun101 You keep spitting out statistics but do you have a source for it?
@Bear8828 casual observation would have worked, there was no need for specific citations.
From this moment I don't scroll anymore, you can find me in the chat, follow me and I will answer you. I don't have 2 minutes to browse the site to get to your words.
@havingfun101 dude you can't just spit statistics as proof of your point, and then say "I dont need sources, I can just observe it". You're making a specific claim and you better be able to back it up
@havingfun101 Please cite your sources and how is this an organic rebellion
@havingfun101 You can't casually observe statistics
I was referring to my biblical hyperbole, your following comment happened as I was writing.I get so sick of fat information hipsters screaming mah citation every ten minutes.data on marriage and cohabitation rates: www.pewsocialtrends.org/.../FEMA fertility by age: abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=969301570% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married: www.datalounge.com/.../16047183-70-of-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married