Do you believe the universe is fundamentally deterministic or probabilistic?

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Wade8888 | 226 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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It's deterministic, but it's designed to simulatenously allow Free Will.

Determinism has been tested at the Cosmic Scale and none of the known laws of physics have ever been violated in the entire history of the Universe. Also, the "Known unknowns" such as Dark Energy, Dark Matter, and Dark Flow have never been violated.

Probabilisitic models are still based in Determinism. For example, just because you don't know the state of a radioactive atom does not mean that atom's decay isn't deterministic. If you know all initial conditions of the system, you can predict exactly when a single atom of Uranium will decay.

Free Moral Agency definitely exists, and it can situationally coincide to do things Determinism alone cannot do. So when we pass away, we are guilty of our own sins, and it is not God's fault, and when we do good it can either be our own good works, or it can be God working in us. And contrary to Christian doctrine, the Law and Prophets says you are saved by your Good Works, and you are damned by your own evil works. And God said in Deuteronomy to choose between life and death, and he gave a hint, "Therefore choose LIFE." Metaphysical and Spiritual are not quite accurate terms to describe Free Moral Agency. Evidently the "Soul" can arise as a physical construction, and Determinism can give rise to Free Moral Agency through a concept called "Emergence" in which a system has properties none of its components possess.

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Wade8888

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So while the individual components of the Brain are deterministic, the Brain itself is a Free Moral Agent.

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Wade8888

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Moreover, General Relativity makes the initial assumption that space-time is continuous, but ends up proving space-time is not a vector space, and therefore NOT continuous. Space-time is actually made up of Tensors and Energy particles which permeate all of reality, and they exist in a "quantum foam".

I've actually studied this a bit and drew the wrong conclusion at first. The Emergence of non-continuous surfaces in Relativity is a predictor of Quantum Theory*, and is not a contradiction (as I used to think).

It may one day be possible to fully describe Quantum Mechanics within the confines of a "better version of General Relativity" if anyone smart enough to write that is ever born and educated enough in the field.

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Wade8888

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The Atheist Stephen Hawking believed everything was deterministic, but he said we should still punish crime because Good is better than Evil. And so he ultimately believed in an OBJECTIVE standard of Truth and Morality.

Whereas most people on this forum believe in SUBJECTIVE truth and morality, and so they believe "do whatever you feel like doing", which is actualy evil. The Creation story in the Bible is a rebuttal to the false doctrine of Subjective Truth and Subjective Morality. The lie the Serpent tells Eve is "if you eat this fruit, you'll be able to make your own definition of good and evil".

So in the story, Eve disobeys God and becomes Evil, and then tricks Adam into disobeying God, and they both become Evil... and they both think they can substitute their own definition of good and evil for God's commandments, which is the same lie everyone else has been telling themselves ever since the first sinner was born.

Hawking was wrong, Free Will does exist, but he was correct, Absolute Truth and Absolute Morality do exist.

Educated Atheists and Agnostics do not deny Objective Truth nor Objective Moraltiy, to do so is total insanity.

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Wade8888

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I actually wrote and self-published a Scientiific Paper on this topic, and sent copies of it to congress and the Supreme Court. "Missing Dark Matter and Emergent Vector Space Violation" by Wade D. Smith.

It is self-Published on Amazon and I think I only charge a dollar or something for it, just enough to pay fees to self publish.

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Wade8888

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Under the right circumstances, it's possible for an observer in RElativity to see a completely different "event" than another observer in a different reference frame would see. I called this property, "emergent Vector Space Violation", but technically it doesn't contradict any law of physics or logic I'm aware of. It starts with a Vector Space, bu tthe Vector Space "violates" itself through the property of "Emergence" and gives rise to the Quantum Foam at the Photonic scale anyway. I need to write another paper correcting what I got wrong back then.

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Wade8888

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In the other half of the Scientific Paper, I proved there is no Dark Matter in the Milky Way Galaxy, otherwise the Orbits of our Planets in the Solar System would not be stable and the orbits of Globular Clusters above the galacitc Disk would not be stable. We know the mass of the Milky Way due to another paper published a year bfore I published mine, and the real mass of the Milky Way, regardless of what Dark Matter theoriests say, the real mass is only about 215 Billion Suns, but the Encyclopedias say the Milky Way is about a Trillion Suns, because they incorrectly assume 80% of the mass is "Dark Matter" but this makes no sense, if there was that much Dark Matter, the planets in the solar system would all catastrphically decay in their orbits in a very short time period, and definitely would not be stable of time periods of 5 Billion or more years..

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Wade8888

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The fact LIGO has never detected a "Bow Wake" from Jupiter proves there is no Dark Matter in the Solar System, because Jupiter would produce a Gravitational Bow Wake if it passed through a cloud of Dark Matter, and the other planets would get ejected from the Solar System if that happened anyway.

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Wade8888

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Another thing, Stars at the center of Galaxies are experiencing Relativiistic Time Dilation, because they move much faster than stars near the edge of galaxies. But they appear to be moving the same speed, because Time Dilation causes people outside the reference frame co-moving with those stars to see them as moving more slowly than they actually move.

This means the stars direclty orbiting the Super-Massive black hole near the center of our Galaxy are actually movign close to light speed, but they appear to be "barely moving" because both Gravitational Time Dilation and other forms of Time Dilation are so great in that region.

This explains Chandra Rubin's Stelar Orbital Curve without the need for Dark Matter.

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zeitgeist057

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The TRUTH the Serpent told Eve was this (actual quote from the Bible): ""You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

paraphrased: "You will know what God knows", because all "God" is, is "Knowledge Incarnate", and when Eve and Adam cast aside the blindness of superstition, they are on the road to increasing knowledge. So they were "cast out of the Garden" (a. k. a The Garden of Blissful Ignorance) and had to face the streets and the school of hard knocks.

Furthermore, the LIAR in the story was GOD, who told Eve, (another direct Bible quote) "“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” (she ate it, and surprise, she kept living. Bad God, stop lying!)

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Wade8888

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@zeitgeist057 She became a sinner and died spiritually. God did not lie. You need to study some basic theology. She and Adam suffered "Spiritual Death" when they disobeyed God, and became lost sinners, which is explained in basic Pauline doctrine in the New Testament.

Not that I believe this story actualy happened, but symbolically something very much like this "must have happened" to explain all the sin among mankind in the world.

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zeitgeist057

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Think maybe you need to study some basic logic. A lie is when someone says something that is not true. If someone tells you “If you eat this apple, you will die in the same day. “, Then you eat the apple and you don’t die in the same day, that person has lied to you. Maybe you’ve got some kind of theological study that proves that if God says something then it Hass to be true even if it’s a lie, and I won’t argue with that because that’s illogical. It’s pretty simple cut and dry case. Yes or no, black or white, alive or dead. Alive? Yes. God. Is. A. Liar. Only logical argument would be God doesn’t exist so, he’s not a liar. You can’t be a liar if you don’t exist. But in the fairytale Bible story that creationists pretend is fact, God does tell Eve a lie. Doesn’t matter if she’s a sinner. I do get the fun concept of being able to twist anything and everything in the Bible into a metaphor so nothing means anything while simultaneously meaning anything your imagination can dream up. It’s one of the basic illogical principles that allows religion to pretend to have validity. But it’s a fantasy.

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