Yeah, we should really take an Atheists advice on what scriptures to believe or disbelieve.the only thing in the Bible I believe any more is the Book of Proverbs, because it actually works. This book has quite a few verses opposed to "Drunkenness", which could be both alcohol and drug abuse. My stepfather spends over $9,000 per year on cigarettes. That's "Drunkenness". The Book specifically opposeses drinking red wine and mixed drinks. The Book says WISDOM, not faith, IS the Principle Thing, and so it contradicts the New Testament on two counts.There is no evidence that any Half-Fallen Angel "Giants" Ever existed. That's pure mythology.
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Technically Satan will be the one doing the torturing. But otherwise you're correct.
@Jamie05rhs: False. Satan won't be torturing anyone in hell as he in all demons will be getting fried. The Bible is very clear Jesus will be the one inflicting the pain with fire from the power of His might.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Do you have a reference?
@Jamie05rhs: In reference to Jesus.Now John himself was clothed in camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey. Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not think to say to yourselves, We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
2 Thess. 1:6-9since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.
Revelation 14:9-11:Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
Hmm. But I didn't think Jesus would be directly overseeing the burning. Let me check Revelation.
Hmm. Maybe you are right. Though I still don't think God would be actively torturing those who are thrown into the Lake of Fire. I believe they will be actively tortured, but I can't see anything saying that God would be the administrator or that torture. (Keep in mind none of this undercuts your original point, as these are just specifics that we're debating here.)
Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide. I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.Revelation 20:10-15 NLThttps://bible.com/bible/116/rev.20.11-15.NLT
@Jamie05rhs: I just posted where it says they will suffer destruction (misery) from His presence. Their pain is coming from God. Everyone in hell hates God and is His enemy. People don't go to hell by accident.
Oops- I just saw your other post. Dang, dude. Your taking me to school today. (Though your second reference does only say that Jesus will be WATCHING the torment.
IN his presence. Not FROM his presence.
@Jamie05rhs: Its says from His presence. The glory and wrath of God will be upon them. Remember, God is omnipresent.
Oh. I was referring to the Revelation passage that you shared.
Just curious... how long you've been with the Jehovah Witnesses?
Almost 7 months
So they told you not to talk to people like us who had different views of the Bible?
It’s complicated. I’ll tell you on dm
LOL! Doesn't matter. I just curious how they "love bomb" and then ordain new members. (Just want to verify what i read about methods deploy by cults to recruit members.)
He wanted me to meet his family. I wasn’t ready so yeah he kept me a secret