Religious folk, Why do you think homosexuality is a sin?

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Yoda

Asking "religious folk" is a bit too broad. If you're asking me as a Christian, who has the same distaste for hollow religion as Jesus has in the Bible; Then it's mainly because it goes against God's design, it's a rebellion against God which distances us from Him as all sin does. God created mankind to be man and woman as Genesis tells us, and the New Testament is rife with verses that deems homosexuality sin. It's an unnatural desire and born out of the misguided lusts of the flesh that is devoid of spirit and life, and only leads to death.

Furthermore: Biology is quite evident itself on how it's supposed to be. The male body's genitalia goes together with the female body's genitalia and allows for reproduction. Male on male, and female on female doesn't work, and drives these people to engage in unnatural (gay anal sex) and artificial ways (dildos) purely to revel in lust, a destructive addiction that you never get enough of, but that isn't what God created sex for, He created it as to be the ultimate intimacy between a man and woman in love, where they become one flesh. Sex and love isn't separate but one in God's design and also has the original purpose of "filling the Earth", as was God's first command to Adam and Eve, ergo, have sex and multiply.

And so both nature and God testify as to the truth. Now many argue that homosexuality exists in animals as well as if to point to it being natural, but the Bible doesn't say that only mankind is fallen and the world perfect, but that the whole world is fallen in sin, headed towards destruction (in favor of the New Heaven and Earth that God will create for all His faithful), and in the hands of Satan. Hence that point doesn't hold up.

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Men can orgasm from anal penetration. So pretty natural...

Also I've posted a link on another comment which proves the Bible was translated wrong. Most passages about two men are actually about man and young boys. Pedophilia. Homosexuality wasn't mentioned in the Bible until about 500 years ago.

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AlexanderAnttila

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Orgasm has nothing to do with it.

And no, you can't prove that. And no it was not only mentioned 500 years ago. That's nothing but lies and deception from false teachings that the Bible warns of. God is almighty and he watches over his word as we learn from Scripture. Nothing that isn't meant to be there is there, and everything that's meant to be there is there. Period.

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You can prove that and people have by reading old bibles. Homosexuality wasn't mentioned in the German Bible until 1983. Prior to that the word was boy molesters. America translated the Bible for Germany because they didn't have a strong enough Christian following to pay for it. America put homosexuality in the Bible. Also consider that the word homosexual wasn't invented till 1862. You can't read the Bible on surface level. It's old and also ridiculous that you will pick and choose what to follow without ever reading into it.

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AlexanderAnttila

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"Men who lay with other men", as Corinthians put forth, is a phrase that has always been with the Bible. Homosexuality when it arrived as a term merely complimented this.

Nothing you say or do will move me as much as an inch. You are the only one who desperately seeks to contort the word of God to fit your own agenda. But in the name of Jesus Christ I denounce it!

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Asker

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Okay learn German and find yourself an 1800s Bible and read it.

1 Corinthians uses the Greek word arsenokoitai which means boy molesters.

❤ Stop being hateful ❤

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Asker

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um-insight.net/.../

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AlexanderAnttila

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Incorrect, https://www.gotquestions.org/arsenokoitai.html
"Arsenokoitai is a compound word: arseno is the word for “a male,” and koitai is the word for “mat” or “bed.” Put the two halves together, and the word means “a male bed”—that is, a person who makes use of a “male-only bed” or a “bed for males.” And, truthfully, that’s all the information we need to understand the intent of 1 Corinthians 6:9."

And I'm not hateful, I'm just not partial. I follow the Bible, not myself.

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Asker

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Ah yes use a biblical website to get exactly the answer you want. Not bias at all

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AlexanderAnttila

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And "insight. net" isn't exactly that?

The information provided is either true or untrue, that's what matters, not that it's a website, as you ought to agree with given you did the exact same thing.

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Asker

Men can orgasm from anal penetration. So pretty natural...

Also I've posted a link on another comment which proves the Bible was translated wrong. Most passages about two men are actually about man and young boys. Pedophilia. Homosexuality wasn't mentioned in the Bible until about 500 years ago.

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AlexanderAnttila

Orgasm has nothing to do with it.

And no, you can't prove that. And no it was not only mentioned 500 years ago. That's nothing but lies and deception from false teachings that the Bible warns of. God is almighty and he watches over his word as we learn from Scripture. Nothing that isn't meant to be there is there, and everything that's meant to be there is there. Period.

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Asker

You can prove that and people have by reading old bibles. Homosexuality wasn't mentioned in the German Bible until 1983. Prior to that the word was boy molesters. America translated the Bible for Germany because they didn't have a strong enough Christian following to pay for it. America put homosexuality in the Bible. Also consider that the word homosexual wasn't invented till 1862. You can't read the Bible on surface level. It's old and also ridiculous that you will pick and choose what to follow without ever reading into it.

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AlexanderAnttila

"Men who lay with other men", as Corinthians put forth, is a phrase that has always been with the Bible. Homosexuality when it arrived as a term merely complimented this.

Nothing you say or do will move me as much as an inch. You are the only one who desperately seeks to contort the word of God to fit your own agenda. But in the name of Jesus Christ I denounce it!

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Asker

Okay learn German and find yourself an 1800s Bible and read it.

1 Corinthians uses the Greek word arsenokoitai which means boy molesters.

❤ Stop being hateful ❤

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um-insight.net/.../

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AlexanderAnttila

Incorrect, https://www.gotquestions.org/arsenokoitai.html
"Arsenokoitai is a compound word: arseno is the word for “a male,” and koitai is the word for “mat” or “bed.” Put the two halves together, and the word means “a male bed”—that is, a person who makes use of a “male-only bed” or a “bed for males.” And, truthfully, that’s all the information we need to understand the intent of 1 Corinthians 6:9."

And I'm not hateful, I'm just not partial. I follow the Bible, not myself.

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Asker

Ah yes use a biblical website to get exactly the answer you want. Not bias at all

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AlexanderAnttila

And "insight. net" isn't exactly that?

The information provided is either true or untrue, that's what matters, not that it's a website, as you ought to agree with given you did the exact same thing.

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Darklydarkened | 90 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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Religion in public level is a tradition rather than an intellectual set of principles. And traditions are still based on agricultural societies, small villages and towns.

This agricultural set of values are all about families, people's sexuality being controlled, women being good mothers and wives and men being hard working protectors who also serves as pater familias to the family by being the leader of his own ''Familias'' that he had authority over. This was very strong for thousands of years.

Homosexuality, was an anomally for these people, a man who's not sleeping with women, not having a family and not having a place in that societies gears got shunned.

Same with people are so afraid of female sexuality, it's because if a woman gets pregnant without a marrige, the child was gonna be a bastard that doesn't even have a family and that really caused problems for these types of societies.

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Toast792

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I'm not religious, but my parents are, so I had to go to church as a kid, and I can say most people just follow these things that people say without question, and without ever actually seeing it in the bible. (not all, but most)

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Sarahr123

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Because monotheistic religions have a holy book (each stolen from the Torah) so basically Christianity came from Judaism and then Islam copied Christianity and Judaism and made a new religion. Each of the holy books state that homosexuality is a sin and they often refer to the people of Lot.

It is not in these ideologies actually a sin to BE a homosexual HOWEVER, the act of homosexual sex is forbidden and a great big sin, even greater than a man and a woman fornicating before marriage. Fornication is a sin period but the difference between hetero sex in religions is that the books condone marriage. It is a sacrament of faith to marry in Catholicism, it is half of the person’s faith completed in the Islamic religion so marriage is seen as the pinnacle of faith in some ways therefore hetero sex in a marriage is sacred.

These religions are very traditional and they cannot be changed as they’re set in stone so they believe marriage should be between a man and a woman for obvious reasons - one being procreation. Many will say because of the first man and woman which was Adam and Eve in the Abrahamic faiths - though some call Islam a Mohammedan faith rather than Abrahamic.

The reason religious people think homosexuality is a sin is mostly due to what is said in scripture.

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btbc92

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I'm not religious, but it's simply common sense. God designed a man with a penis and a woman with a vagina. Two vaginas cannot make a baby, two penises cannot make a baby. Two vaginas cannot enter "in" each other. Both are closed until opened by something. Which is what a penis is designed for. Just like a vagina is meant to accommodate a penis. It's just how it is. So it's not what I think. Even nature understands this. Even children understand this that's why they ask "Mom/Dad why are those two people holding hands?" You don't always see them asking this question about a straight couple. Because if they don't always understand it. Their spirit understands this. We have knowledge of good and evil because of what happened in the garden. They will question what doesn't seem natural because again it's not natural for two men and two women to be sexually intimate with each other. It is no disrespect to them. But even they know this. That's why you see them feeling a certain way because deep down they know. Even if they don't always understand it, they still know. Because the body knows. But do we? That's why we have to understand why God says this and that, what's right and what is wrong. What brings forth life and what leads to our destruction.

That's like telling a robot don't go into the water or get wet it will short-circuit. If it's not designed to be water-proof, is it not the truth that it will "die" if it does? That is why God had said it is a sin. It's up to you to get those answers of life in ignorance and then have to deal with those choices. If stealing is wrong. And you know it's wrong. Your taught it's wrong, are you going to steal anyway? That's your choice and for you to figure it out.

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Anonymous

I'm religious, but I actually have a different take on this than a lot of other Christians. I don't think being gay is a sin in theory, but the psychological pairings of same sex couplings can lead to relationships that aren't fulfilling. For instance, take gay male couples. Because you have two men driven by testosterone, you have tons of men who remain unfaithful, and allow themselves to chase carnal pleasure without a woman to put the brakes on the sex. This is a lot of fun sure, but most older gay men that I know are full of regret from lost opportunities and don't have somebody close in their lives. Straight men are essentially forced into a mutually beneficial relationship, that they learn to appreciate. If that makes sense.

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Anonymous

Because:
1. God made man and woman and told them to multiplicate
2. God say that give us the woman so we can share love and not been alone
3. God say is posible the unity bethwin a man and a woman in order to proceate and build a family.
4. Ther is no life or posibility to make a family whit 2 mans.
5. God told us not to be fornicating. Carnal pleasure has nothing to do with the lives of believers.
Between 2 men there are zero chances to create life. Nothing can create a family between two men.
And lying is a sin, you can't be a bride and a husband at the same time, just as you can't be a husband and a wife at the same time.

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jgokgotit

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The Bible clearly states homosexuality as a sin and it is God that determines what is sin and what is not. The very beginning of the Bible talks about how the relationship is supposed to be between a man and a woman. The Bible explains why homosexuality (and all sin) goes against nature as God intended it and the devastating consequences of sin. This is the part that people get hung up on. However, the Bible states that ALL sin is equally bad before God's eyes and that ALL sin is only forgivable through Jesus, our belief in his sacrifice and our WILLINGNESS (even if not success) at turning from sin. The Bible ALSO advocates for free will. God will not force you to quit sinning. God does not send you to Hell for sinning. You go to Hell because only Heaven and Hell exist after life and God cannot stand the presence of sin. Jesus's blood acts as a shield that God does not see through, but it is deliberately designed with a flaw to require WILLING faith in Jesus to become active.

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IAMNathanael | 181 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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I view homosexual behaviors as innate temptations. I don't see being gay as a sin but it is to act on it. During his 40 day fast, even Christ was tempted with food, wealth and fame but he did act on it.

Personally though, I don't care what a person does with their life.

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Savage_Wisdom | 255 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

Yoda

"If a man lies with a male as a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Leviticus 20:13

"and men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." Romans 1:27

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These have been proven to be mistranslated. Some on purpose. The first one is supposed to be "lies with a young boy" so it's about pedophilia.

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Savage_Wisdom

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Actually, the Hebrew word zachar simply translates to male and holds no specification towards age.

I could also bring up Sodom and Gomorrah, and how God destroyed them because the men were practicing homosexuality. But you could make the argument that it was more because a group of men tried to gang rape two Angels. To which I would argue that God was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah anyways until Abraham convinced him to send those two angels to investigate Sodom and Gomorrah and to see if there's anyone there worth saving.

"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural lotions for those that are contrary to nature; and men likewise give up natural relations with women and are consumed with passion for one another, men committing Shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their." Romans 1:26-27

I would also bring up 1st Corinthians 6:9, as it specifically mentions homosexuality on a list of sins that can keep you from heaven. But the word for homosexuality here can also be translated as pedophilia. So that and the fact that 1st Corinthians was a letter sent to the city of Corinth in Greece, increase was a land where both homosexuality and pedophilia were quite popular oh, you could make equally strong arguments for both translations.

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Asker

These have been proven to be mistranslated. Some on purpose. The first one is supposed to be "lies with a young boy" so it's about pedophilia.

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Savage_Wisdom

Actually, the Hebrew word zachar simply translates to male and holds no specification towards age.

I could also bring up Sodom and Gomorrah, and how God destroyed them because the men were practicing homosexuality. But you could make the argument that it was more because a group of men tried to gang rape two Angels. To which I would argue that God was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah anyways until Abraham convinced him to send those two angels to investigate Sodom and Gomorrah and to see if there's anyone there worth saving.

"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural lotions for those that are contrary to nature; and men likewise give up natural relations with women and are consumed with passion for one another, men committing Shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their." Romans 1:26-27

I would also bring up 1st Corinthians 6:9, as it specifically mentions homosexuality on a list of sins that can keep you from heaven. But the word for homosexuality here can also be translated as pedophilia. So that and the fact that 1st Corinthians was a letter sent to the city of Corinth in Greece, increase was a land where both homosexuality and pedophilia were quite popular oh, you could make equally strong arguments for both translations.

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sheikalana | 157 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

Guru

I don't think homosexuality is a sin but that's just my opinion. I don't see it as something wrong. Anyone deserves to be loved even if that means loving someone from the same gender. Who am I to judge?

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fortunechips

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Because it says so in the bible multiple times, and before you say that the bible has been proven to be translated correctly, then take a look at the King James Version. It is known even amongst scholars to be the most accurate English translation of the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek bible writings.

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My take on the accuracy of the bible is that it was interpreted by human men. Men are flawed.
But the best argument against all the Old Testament stuff is the New Testament which contains the teachings of Jesus. Jesus said he came to fulfill the Old Testament. He is the way, the truth and the light.
He never says anything about sexuality. He only tells Mary Magdalene not to sell her body. He never says men and women must marry, as Paul does. Paul had a real problem with sex. Weird dude.
He says love one another as I have loved you. The people he loved most dearly were primarily men. The Apostles, Lazarus, Mary Magdalene, his mother.
Judge lest not YOU be judged. I go with Jesus and his fulfillment of the Old Testament.
It's not about the old laws, it's about Jesus.

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fortunechips

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Umm.. I don't know what the purpose of your comment "Judge lest not YOU be judged" was, and with a capitalized YOU, but you seem to be under the impression I'm casting judgment? I was clearly only talking about bible translations and answer the question that was asked. Don't really know what I did to merit that. please let's not make this an emotional thing where people being defensive and offending others. Literally the reason I even hesitated to write my post

As for your reasons against the accuracy of the bible we can agree to disagree. I personally from my studies don't believe the Old Testament was done away with, Jesus like you said came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill them. The first miracle Jesus performed in public was at a wedding feast where he and his disciples attended.

Paul doesn't say men and women MUST marry, but that some people it is best for them to marry lest they not fall into temptation. And Paul didn't have a problem with sex, he mentions in his letters to Corinthians that as for him, he's rather remain single so that his work for God not be distracted. (1 Cor. 7) He wasn't a weird dude and I'm sure he found women attractive, he was seriously devoted to his mission for Christ and his work with the early church.

Everything that Jesus did and said like you said was him fulfilling the OT. Of course, there were certain sacrifical and ceremonial things that were done away with which is a different topic.

Anyway I wasn't looking for a debate or anything but I'm happy to share my knowledge and compare with what others have come to understand.

However, let's please be respectful of one another and not draw conclusions about each other. I have close friends whom this topic is very real for and controversial in the church so please refrain from assuming and saying I'm judging.

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Screenwriter

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Didn't say you were judging. It is impossible to get tone in comments written. But there is a whole lot of judging in the Old Testament. A whole lot of rules. I think we have to be human. There is nothing wrong with coupling for love. It doesn't matter WHO you love, but HOW you love. The love one another as I have loved you.
God made us all unique. Some of love men, some of us love women, most of us love our parents and friends. If we EXIST under the sun we are made in the image and likeness of God. That means gay, stright, bi and everything else is part of the show. The only things that are wrong are cruelty to each other. Not caring. Prejudice and hatred. That is what makes the world go round.

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Screenwriter

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I mean LOVE is what makes the world go round. Caring, sharing, lending a hand.

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fortunechips

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I understand your point of view, and I respect that. The judgments that were passed in the OT, were judgments passed by God, and a lot of people have a hard time reading the Old Testament because a lot of those seem unreasonable because we cannot understand them. I've read some confusing things myself and needed to dig deeper. I'm not here to say who people can love or not, but as far as what the bible says, Old and New Testament both show evidence of God's established couple and his disapproval of same sex. Read them for yourself. All I'm saying is that Old Testament or New Testament, God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Hebrew 13:8, his principles don't change.

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Screenwriter

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That judge lest not you be judged that Jesus touted says that's not true. There's nothing that jesus says about marriage. he attended one and made water into wine. The whole deal about the story of Lott and his daughters was that the people in that city did every kind of perversion possible.
Not talking about perversions. Loving someone is not a perversion. Having sex with children, beating someone, killing people for pleasure or to release tension, humiliating, forcing yourself sexually on someone. Thos are the things happening in Sodom and Gomorrah. It wasn't just that men were having sex with men,

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fortunechips

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There's nothing that Jesus says about marriage?

Jesus himself says in John 6:38, that he has come down from heaven to do the will of Him who sent him, God the Father.

With this in mind, which I'm sure is something we both can agree with as Christians, how then do you explain that what God said concerning marriage in Genesis 2:24 is repeated again in Matthew 19: 4-6 and Mark 10:6-8 by Jesus? This is Jesus clearly speaking about marriage and quoting scripture concerning marriage as instituted by God.

The bible time and time and time again in the Old and New Testament, by Jesus and by God says husband and wife or man and woman, when it talks about a marriage or romantic union. Nowhere does it say partner and partner. Why would God and/or Jesus limit us by saying man and woman if he was ok with another option? Wouldn't it be more beneficial for our understanding then to say, person and person, or lover and lover to help convey a broader message of romantic love?

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fortunechips

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Also, you started speaking about Sodom and Gomorrah, saying "it wasn't just that men were having sex with men." That's true. That's not the only exclusive reason why God destroyed the two cities, there were others as well, but why would then it be mentioned if it wasn't a problem?

1 Cor. 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10. The Apostle Paul, devout follower of Jesus, talks again here about these things and how in the Lord's eyes they are not accepted. I don't know what your problem is with Paul, but how do you claim to believe in Jesus but not his disciples?

Just to understand your position better, do you speak to me as a fellow Christian, and a believer in God? You say "God made us all unique", so I know therefore you believe in creation, yet you reject the rest of the Old Testament saying it has to many rules when Jesus himself says in Matthew 5:17 that he didn't come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it. I'm having a hard time understanding where it is you are coming from. Are you atheist? Or do you believe in God and in Jesus Christ?

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Screenwriter

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Sure I believe in them. I also believe that any evil in this world is of human creation. The only "devil" is a metaphor for human evil.
No devil dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Hitler wasn't a devil. He was a man. and so on...
So HUMANS are allowed to be good or evil under the sun and some choose to be. As for Jesus removing "demons," I also think this a metaphor for mental and physical illnesses. Earlier people, however, didn't understand what mental and physical illnesses could do to people. So it was
called "demons."
Sodom and Gomorrah seemed like a darker version of Las Vegas. Though Las Vegas has some dark streaks itself. Cannot understand the appeal of the place and the addicitive gambling shit it engenders. THOUGH, there are those who can go there and leave and feel they've had "fun."!!! and don't do dark things.
That didn't seem to be the case with old S&G. BUT that whole story seems to me to be a STORY. Not actual history. It's a parable. The righteous man, though he be only 1 in thousand will be protected by god. And Lot's wife, welllll, she wasn't quite righteous enough. You have to LISTEN TO GOD!!!
Again, the ONLY REAL REASON for a man NOT to lie with a man in ancient times would be that there was so much infant death that childbearing was a top priority.

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Screenwriter

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Those days are over. We have plenty of people on the planet. In fact, too many in many instances. We are near a tipping point. EVERYONE COULD BE GAY, and we'd still have too many people because there are always those who stray to the other side. THOSE BIs... I'm joking.
I think many of the biblica proscriptions were about health and procreation because desert populations were precarious.
This doesn't matter anymore.
Now, it's about taking care of the people who are here, educating the next generations and making the world a stable place for everyone on the planet. There will always be some clown who's running a scam, trying to take advantage of someone else: think of all those fake phone calls threatening your bank accoutns and soc sec numbers and passwords... Liars, thieves... not satan, but might as well be..
I say prayers for those so afllicted and support those I love and who seem to be good bets for new friends. The world is a big place and there's room fore veryone

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fortunechips

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Ok, at this point I believe we're just wasting each other's time here. You don't have a stable argument, you just keep changing your arguments to have something to say, but you're not even backing up your original points with anything just throwing new stuff out.

I'm glad to know that you 'believe' in God, but there's a difference between believing or acknowledging God and Jesus and their existence, and believing them in faith as a follower and claiming to be a Christian.

So far from your arguments I've come to understand that..

1. You "go with Jesus and his fulfilment of the Old Testament" (your words)

2. Yet you don't follow what the Old Testament says because it has too many rules.

3. You believe in but don't follow God.

4. You don't follow Paul's teachings as follower of Jesus, because you claim he is weird dude. I don't understand that one but I believe you just found your own excuse there just to not follow him because he also lays down a lot of 'rules' in the New Testament.

4. Finally, YOU DON'T EVEN BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS ACCURATE.

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fortunechips

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Your very FIRST argument was that the WHOLE bible is inaccurate because "it was interpreted by human men [and] men are flawed". So if you believe the bible is inaccurate why do you believe ANYTHING the bible says. As far as you're concerned, the old testament is wrong because it was written by men, and the new testament along with everything Jesus ever said is wrong because it's written by men, yet you use and quote the bible to support your points and bring up new arguments. You're just picking and choosing what suits your needs from the bible and you continue to contradict your own stance if the bible. You're confused about what the bible even says and what it even means, yet you don't believe the book should be followed because it's inaccurate.

You didn't say you were a Christian, so I understand you're most likely a skeptic. But you can't tell me the bible is inaccurate and then use the bible to support your own arguments which have been contradictory.

In the end, I understand you are pro-homosexuality, and I respect your opinion, but you picked a fight you couldn't win. This whole thing wasn't even about whether homosexuality is wrong or right, it was about wether the bible says homosexuality is a sin. It was about a book I obviously read more than you, therefore I understand more than you.

I don't really have time for this tbh, so please don't waste anymore of my time. 😅 If you're a skeptic of the bible that's fine, just don't try and tell me what the bible says and doesn't say when it's obvious I read it more than you.

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Screenwriter

My take on the accuracy of the bible is that it was interpreted by human men. Men are flawed.
But the best argument against all the Old Testament stuff is the New Testament which contains the teachings of Jesus. Jesus said he came to fulfill the Old Testament. He is the way, the truth and the light.
He never says anything about sexuality. He only tells Mary Magdalene not to sell her body. He never says men and women must marry, as Paul does. Paul had a real problem with sex. Weird dude.
He says love one another as I have loved you. The people he loved most dearly were primarily men. The Apostles, Lazarus, Mary Magdalene, his mother.
Judge lest not YOU be judged. I go with Jesus and his fulfillment of the Old Testament.
It's not about the old laws, it's about Jesus.

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fortunechips

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Umm.. I don't know what the purpose of your comment "Judge lest not YOU be judged" was, and with a capitalized YOU, but you seem to be under the impression I'm casting judgment? I was clearly only talking about bible translations and answer the question that was asked. Don't really know what I did to merit that. please let's not make this an emotional thing where people being defensive and offending others. Literally the reason I even hesitated to write my post

As for your reasons against the accuracy of the bible we can agree to disagree. I personally from my studies don't believe the Old Testament was done away with, Jesus like you said came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill them. The first miracle Jesus performed in public was at a wedding feast where he and his disciples attended.

Paul doesn't say men and women MUST marry, but that some people it is best for them to marry lest they not fall into temptation. And Paul didn't have a problem with sex, he mentions in his letters to Corinthians that as for him, he's rather remain single so that his work for God not be distracted. (1 Cor. 7) He wasn't a weird dude and I'm sure he found women attractive, he was seriously devoted to his mission for Christ and his work with the early church.

Everything that Jesus did and said like you said was him fulfilling the OT. Of course, there were certain sacrifical and ceremonial things that were done away with which is a different topic.

Anyway I wasn't looking for a debate or anything but I'm happy to share my knowledge and compare with what others have come to understand.

However, let's please be respectful of one another and not draw conclusions about each other. I have close friends whom this topic is very real for and controversial in the church so please refrain from assuming and saying I'm judging.

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Screenwriter

Didn't say you were judging. It is impossible to get tone in comments written. But there is a whole lot of judging in the Old Testament. A whole lot of rules. I think we have to be human. There is nothing wrong with coupling for love. It doesn't matter WHO you love, but HOW you love. The love one another as I have loved you.
God made us all unique. Some of love men, some of us love women, most of us love our parents and friends. If we EXIST under the sun we are made in the image and likeness of God. That means gay, stright, bi and everything else is part of the show. The only things that are wrong are cruelty to each other. Not caring. Prejudice and hatred. That is what makes the world go round.

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Screenwriter

I mean LOVE is what makes the world go round. Caring, sharing, lending a hand.

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fortunechips

I understand your point of view, and I respect that. The judgments that were passed in the OT, were judgments passed by God, and a lot of people have a hard time reading the Old Testament because a lot of those seem unreasonable because we cannot understand them. I've read some confusing things myself and needed to dig deeper. I'm not here to say who people can love or not, but as far as what the bible says, Old and New Testament both show evidence of God's established couple and his disapproval of same sex. Read them for yourself. All I'm saying is that Old Testament or New Testament, God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Hebrew 13:8, his principles don't change.

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Screenwriter

That judge lest not you be judged that Jesus touted says that's not true. There's nothing that jesus says about marriage. he attended one and made water into wine. The whole deal about the story of Lott and his daughters was that the people in that city did every kind of perversion possible.
Not talking about perversions. Loving someone is not a perversion. Having sex with children, beating someone, killing people for pleasure or to release tension, humiliating, forcing yourself sexually on someone. Thos are the things happening in Sodom and Gomorrah. It wasn't just that men were having sex with men,

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fortunechips

There's nothing that Jesus says about marriage?

Jesus himself says in John 6:38, that he has come down from heaven to do the will of Him who sent him, God the Father.

With this in mind, which I'm sure is something we both can agree with as Christians, how then do you explain that what God said concerning marriage in Genesis 2:24 is repeated again in Matthew 19: 4-6 and Mark 10:6-8 by Jesus? This is Jesus clearly speaking about marriage and quoting scripture concerning marriage as instituted by God.

The bible time and time and time again in the Old and New Testament, by Jesus and by God says husband and wife or man and woman, when it talks about a marriage or romantic union. Nowhere does it say partner and partner. Why would God and/or Jesus limit us by saying man and woman if he was ok with another option? Wouldn't it be more beneficial for our understanding then to say, person and person, or lover and lover to help convey a broader message of romantic love?

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fortunechips

Also, you started speaking about Sodom and Gomorrah, saying "it wasn't just that men were having sex with men." That's true. That's not the only exclusive reason why God destroyed the two cities, there were others as well, but why would then it be mentioned if it wasn't a problem?

1 Cor. 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10. The Apostle Paul, devout follower of Jesus, talks again here about these things and how in the Lord's eyes they are not accepted. I don't know what your problem is with Paul, but how do you claim to believe in Jesus but not his disciples?

Just to understand your position better, do you speak to me as a fellow Christian, and a believer in God? You say "God made us all unique", so I know therefore you believe in creation, yet you reject the rest of the Old Testament saying it has to many rules when Jesus himself says in Matthew 5:17 that he didn't come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it. I'm having a hard time understanding where it is you are coming from. Are you atheist? Or do you believe in God and in Jesus Christ?

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Screenwriter

Sure I believe in them. I also believe that any evil in this world is of human creation. The only "devil" is a metaphor for human evil.
No devil dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Hitler wasn't a devil. He was a man. and so on...
So HUMANS are allowed to be good or evil under the sun and some choose to be. As for Jesus removing "demons," I also think this a metaphor for mental and physical illnesses. Earlier people, however, didn't understand what mental and physical illnesses could do to people. So it was
called "demons."
Sodom and Gomorrah seemed like a darker version of Las Vegas. Though Las Vegas has some dark streaks itself. Cannot understand the appeal of the place and the addicitive gambling shit it engenders. THOUGH, there are those who can go there and leave and feel they've had "fun."!!! and don't do dark things.
That didn't seem to be the case with old S&G. BUT that whole story seems to me to be a STORY. Not actual history. It's a parable. The righteous man, though he be only 1 in thousand will be protected by god. And Lot's wife, welllll, she wasn't quite righteous enough. You have to LISTEN TO GOD!!!
Again, the ONLY REAL REASON for a man NOT to lie with a man in ancient times would be that there was so much infant death that childbearing was a top priority.

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Screenwriter

Those days are over. We have plenty of people on the planet. In fact, too many in many instances. We are near a tipping point. EVERYONE COULD BE GAY, and we'd still have too many people because there are always those who stray to the other side. THOSE BIs... I'm joking.
I think many of the biblica proscriptions were about health and procreation because desert populations were precarious.
This doesn't matter anymore.
Now, it's about taking care of the people who are here, educating the next generations and making the world a stable place for everyone on the planet. There will always be some clown who's running a scam, trying to take advantage of someone else: think of all those fake phone calls threatening your bank accoutns and soc sec numbers and passwords... Liars, thieves... not satan, but might as well be..
I say prayers for those so afllicted and support those I love and who seem to be good bets for new friends. The world is a big place and there's room fore veryone

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fortunechips

Ok, at this point I believe we're just wasting each other's time here. You don't have a stable argument, you just keep changing your arguments to have something to say, but you're not even backing up your original points with anything just throwing new stuff out.

I'm glad to know that you 'believe' in God, but there's a difference between believing or acknowledging God and Jesus and their existence, and believing them in faith as a follower and claiming to be a Christian.

So far from your arguments I've come to understand that..

1. You "go with Jesus and his fulfilment of the Old Testament" (your words)

2. Yet you don't follow what the Old Testament says because it has too many rules.

3. You believe in but don't follow God.

4. You don't follow Paul's teachings as follower of Jesus, because you claim he is weird dude. I don't understand that one but I believe you just found your own excuse there just to not follow him because he also lays down a lot of 'rules' in the New Testament.

4. Finally, YOU DON'T EVEN BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS ACCURATE.

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fortunechips

Your very FIRST argument was that the WHOLE bible is inaccurate because "it was interpreted by human men [and] men are flawed". So if you believe the bible is inaccurate why do you believe ANYTHING the bible says. As far as you're concerned, the old testament is wrong because it was written by men, and the new testament along with everything Jesus ever said is wrong because it's written by men, yet you use and quote the bible to support your points and bring up new arguments. You're just picking and choosing what suits your needs from the bible and you continue to contradict your own stance if the bible. You're confused about what the bible even says and what it even means, yet you don't believe the book should be followed because it's inaccurate.

You didn't say you were a Christian, so I understand you're most likely a skeptic. But you can't tell me the bible is inaccurate and then use the bible to support your own arguments which have been contradictory.

In the end, I understand you are pro-homosexuality, and I respect your opinion, but you picked a fight you couldn't win. This whole thing wasn't even about whether homosexuality is wrong or right, it was about wether the bible says homosexuality is a sin. It was about a book I obviously read more than you, therefore I understand more than you.

I don't really have time for this tbh, so please don't waste anymore of my time. 😅 If you're a skeptic of the bible that's fine, just don't try and tell me what the bible says and doesn't say when it's obvious I read it more than you.

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Jamie05rhs | 276 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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Because it's against God's plan. Man and woman were meant to be together. Just because we're different and it's hard to get along doesn't mean we should give up and date our own gender. Have courage! Face the challenge! There are a lot of things that I don't like about women, but I would never be sexual with a dude. That's nasty.

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Waldoe | 194 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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I am religious and I do NOT think it's a sin, Sex is also Not a sin, Love is Not a sin, man was made in Gods image, so they say, that means that sexuality is fluid, God is both "Man and woman and all variations between" stop being a HATER, God loves all of his children, even you

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Trooper205

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It is far against our Biological Nature and Design.

Homosexual people, in their own body, cannot reproduce. It's impossible.

In addition, it's plainly written in Scripture.

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It's plainly mistranslated in scripture 4 out of 6 times which have been proven. There's enough people in the world why is reproduction necessary?

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Trooper205

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You defend your point by insinuating the destruction of Humanity?

Also, please provide your points of the mistranslation, I would be happy to look over those.

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um-insight.net/.../

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Your sources are interesting to look at, but now I have questions!

If these statements are true, wouldn't the Homosexual practice be normalized, rather than frowned upon hundreds, if not thousands of years ago? I would think that if those sources are correct, Homosexuality wouldn't be seen as a wrong even in the beginning of it all.

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People will believe anything they read or hear... Things like this have a way of being twisted. But as mentioned in the article homosexuality wasn't mentioned at all until 500 years ago. Not that long ago but still a long time and may generations to pass on false information.

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In any case, I have read the "news", and that's that.

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It's plainly mistranslated in scripture 4 out of 6 times which have been proven. There's enough people in the world why is reproduction necessary?

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Trooper205

You defend your point by insinuating the destruction of Humanity?

Also, please provide your points of the mistranslation, I would be happy to look over those.

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um-insight.net/.../

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Trooper205

Your sources are interesting to look at, but now I have questions!

If these statements are true, wouldn't the Homosexual practice be normalized, rather than frowned upon hundreds, if not thousands of years ago? I would think that if those sources are correct, Homosexuality wouldn't be seen as a wrong even in the beginning of it all.

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Asker

People will believe anything they read or hear... Things like this have a way of being twisted. But as mentioned in the article homosexuality wasn't mentioned at all until 500 years ago. Not that long ago but still a long time and may generations to pass on false information.

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Trooper205

In any case, I have read the "news", and that's that.

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Anonymous

Because they were told that their most favorite book in the world said that it’s a sin.
So is divorce, but they mostly ignore that part so they can spend more time attacking gay and lesbians.

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I don't disagree with what you said. Too many Christians give divorce a free pass. I've even heard of people who become pastors after being divorced, and I think that's the height of hypocrisy. If you can't even keep your own family together, how can you keep a church together? ("You had ONE JOB.")

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Jamie05rhs

I don't disagree with what you said. Too many Christians give divorce a free pass. I've even heard of people who become pastors after being divorced, and I think that's the height of hypocrisy. If you can't even keep your own family together, how can you keep a church together? ("You had ONE JOB.")

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Hispanic-Cool-Guy | 3.9K opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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Has nothing to do with religion. Its just common sense and against nature to have sex with the same gender.

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If men weren't supposed to have penis up butt then why feel so good Hmm hmm

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What kind of logic is that. Stealing lots money from people feels good to some people, yet it isn't the right thing to do.

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Stealing money isn't a natural thing...

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If you can't figure out two men aren't supposed to be having sex with each other then I can't help you.

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Men can orgasm from anal penetration alone... Please explain how its unnatural when there is literally pleasure spots.

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If men weren't supposed to have penis up butt then why feel so good Hmm hmm

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Hispanic-Cool-Guy

What kind of logic is that. Stealing lots money from people feels good to some people, yet it isn't the right thing to do.

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Asker

Stealing money isn't a natural thing...

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Hispanic-Cool-Guy

If you can't figure out two men aren't supposed to be having sex with each other then I can't help you.

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Asker

Men can orgasm from anal penetration alone... Please explain how its unnatural when there is literally pleasure spots.

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Anonymous

when I see these questions I’m just like... google is free

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I'm not asking googles opinion in asking individual people...

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I'm not asking googles opinion in asking individual people...

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CapitalismFailed

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I usually like to refer to the New International Version:

Leviticus 18:22

New International Version

22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

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strawberrylipstick

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actually though interesting enough , the original (untranslated) scripture said "man shall not lay with boy" referring to pedophilia, only after translation was it changed to "man shall not lay with man" 🖤

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@strawberrylipstick Who is to say which translation is more accurate?

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ummm dude the original wasn't a translation, therefore it is the most accurate version in the world. which makes the version you cited the incorrect one cause it IS translated and done incorrectly.
did you really need me to clarify that for you? cause seriously

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strawberrylipstick

actually though interesting enough , the original (untranslated) scripture said "man shall not lay with boy" referring to pedophilia, only after translation was it changed to "man shall not lay with man" 🖤

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CapitalismFailed

@strawberrylipstick Who is to say which translation is more accurate?

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strawberrylipstick

ummm dude the original wasn't a translation, therefore it is the most accurate version in the world. which makes the version you cited the incorrect one cause it IS translated and done incorrectly.
did you really need me to clarify that for you? cause seriously

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Twenty2

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*Abhramic* religious folks should be the correct question.

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GAGSucksBalls1

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Do you watch the show "teenage Bounty Hunters", on netflix?

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I love “Teenage Bounty Hunters!”

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Elliegirl

I love “Teenage Bounty Hunters!”

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jshm2 | 2.1K opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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The same reason rape, pedophillia and bestiality are. Answer says it all.

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first... being gay is 2 consenting adults, which is the difference between everything you named and homosexuality.. and the original (untranslated) scripture said "man shall not lay with boy" referring to pedophilia, only after translation was it changed to "man shall not lay with man" 🖤

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In Corinthians 1 the original Greek word "arsenokoitai" was translated to homosexuals but it actually says "Boy molesters will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Homosexual wasn't mentioned in the German Bible until 1983 (homosexual is a word created by germans in 1862). In 1983 Biblica an American company paid for the German Bible to be translated. Then suddenly homosexual was in the Bible. Gay agenda.

4 of the 6 clobber passages have been proven to be translated wrong. All were referring to pederasty, not homosexuality.

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strawberrylipstick

first... being gay is 2 consenting adults, which is the difference between everything you named and homosexuality.. and the original (untranslated) scripture said "man shall not lay with boy" referring to pedophilia, only after translation was it changed to "man shall not lay with man" 🖤

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In Corinthians 1 the original Greek word "arsenokoitai" was translated to homosexuals but it actually says "Boy molesters will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Homosexual wasn't mentioned in the German Bible until 1983 (homosexual is a word created by germans in 1862). In 1983 Biblica an American company paid for the German Bible to be translated. Then suddenly homosexual was in the Bible. Gay agenda.

4 of the 6 clobber passages have been proven to be translated wrong. All were referring to pederasty, not homosexuality.

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nawtee_me | 117 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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Because God made Adam and took for him his rib and made Eva, not Steve... It was not God's intention for same sexes to be together. If it were God would not have said, If a man lay with another man as if he were a woman he should be stoned to death.

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Daedelus

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Lot also had sex with his daughters and God was chill with it. Does that mean incest is okay?

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nawtee_me

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@Daedelus Lot was drunk and passed out when his daughters took advantage of him.

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And God allowed it and didn't punish Lot's daughters or their descendants. I'm not arguing in favour of incest, obviously, but just because God does something doesn't necessarily mean it's intended as a standard of behaviour.

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Daedelus

Lot also had sex with his daughters and God was chill with it. Does that mean incest is okay?

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nawtee_me

@Daedelus Lot was drunk and passed out when his daughters took advantage of him.

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Daedelus

And God allowed it and didn't punish Lot's daughters or their descendants. I'm not arguing in favour of incest, obviously, but just because God does something doesn't necessarily mean it's intended as a standard of behaviour.

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Anonymous

I believe it is because the bible literally addresses it and says it is.

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if you call yourself a "Christian" and disagree with what I have said, you aren't a real Christian and you clearly haven't read your bible.

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um-insight.net/.../

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Leviticus 18:22, doesn't use the word homosexual, but it talks about them.

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4 out of 6 passages in the Bible talking about homosexuality are actually about pedophilia and have been translated wrong..

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you obviously didn't read Leviticus 18:22

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You obviously didn't read the article

"So we went to Leviticus 18:22 and he’s translating it for me word for word. In the English where it says “Man shall not lie with man, for it is an abomination,” the German version says “Man shall not lie with young boys as he does with a woman, for it is an abomination.” "

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You are right, I didn't read your article because I as someone who speaks biblical greek disagree with his assumptions.

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You can't just add a word like that and assume it is correct, also the german versions are based off of the catholic bible which is incorrect in many ways.

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Oh but... "So we went to 1 Corinthians to see how they translated arsenokoitai (original Greek word) and instead of homosexuals it said, “Boy molesters will not inherit the kingdom of God.” "

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I am pretty sure that they translated that incorrectly, because "child molester" is παιδοφθόρος or paidophthelos but that word ἀρσενοκοίτης or arsenokoites at its root means null, so in those verses, he is saying "those with no gender" aka homosexuals.

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Opinion Owner

if you call yourself a "Christian" and disagree with what I have said, you aren't a real Christian and you clearly haven't read your bible.

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um-insight.net/.../

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Opinion Owner

Leviticus 18:22, doesn't use the word homosexual, but it talks about them.

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4 out of 6 passages in the Bible talking about homosexuality are actually about pedophilia and have been translated wrong..

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Opinion Owner

you obviously didn't read Leviticus 18:22

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You obviously didn't read the article

"So we went to Leviticus 18:22 and he’s translating it for me word for word. In the English where it says “Man shall not lie with man, for it is an abomination,” the German version says “Man shall not lie with young boys as he does with a woman, for it is an abomination.” "

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Opinion Owner

You are right, I didn't read your article because I as someone who speaks biblical greek disagree with his assumptions.

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Opinion Owner

You can't just add a word like that and assume it is correct, also the german versions are based off of the catholic bible which is incorrect in many ways.

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Oh but... "So we went to 1 Corinthians to see how they translated arsenokoitai (original Greek word) and instead of homosexuals it said, “Boy molesters will not inherit the kingdom of God.” "

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I am pretty sure that they translated that incorrectly, because "child molester" is παιδοφθόρος or paidophthelos but that word ἀρσενοκοίτης or arsenokoites at its root means null, so in those verses, he is saying "those with no gender" aka homosexuals.

Religious folk, Why do you think homosexuality is a sin?

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