Americans: Creationism and/or #StopTheSteal?

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There's a point of view that says people are believing QAnon, because they've been taught to disbelieve scientific facts.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/02/04/why-creationism-bears-all-the-hallmarks-of-a-conspiracy-theory/

"In the US today, up to 40% of adults agree with the young Earth creationist claim that all humans are descended from Adam and Eve within the past 10,000 years."

Trump won, and all humans are descended from Adam and Eve within the past 10,000 years

Trump won, evolution explains the origins of humans

Trump lost, but all humans are descended from Adam and Eve within the past 10,000 years

Trump lost, and evolution explains the origins of humans

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OfDeath | 1.9K opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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I'm not American so I voted E but I do see that there is an inordinate amount of Christian fundamentalists in America who also believe the daft, conspiratorial rhetoric coming from Donald Trump and groups like qanon, proud boys etc. I would contend it's plausible that if someone is gullible enough to believe something as fatuous as revelations then they are primed to believe other absurdities such as climate change being a hoax, the US election being stolen, Hilary Clinton drinking the blood of aborted fetuses, flat earth and that the democrats are part of a deep state pedophile ring with financial ties to the CCP.

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goaded

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Nobody seems to be willing to admit it, here, though.

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goaded

Nobody seems to be willing to admit it, here, though.

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Wade8888 | 226 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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I believe in God, but I believe in Order and Evolution. I also believe in a Ridiculously old Earth and a ridiculously old Sun and an even older Universe, based on circumstantial evidence within the Scientific Method.

Humans are not descended from one man and one woman. In order to explain modern genetic diversity, you need 18 male ancestors and 36 female ancestors.

It should be noted that Evolution alone does not explain this either, but neither does claiming everyone came form Adam and Eve made literally from red dirt on the 6th day of Creation.

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goaded

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I'd go for "unbelievably" rather than "ridiculously", but that's just me! ISTR there was a single female, and a single male, but they lived a long time apart from each other...

What do you mean by "Evolution alone does not explain this either"?

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Wade8888

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Evolution explains how existing life forms change into presumably better adapted forms. It doesn't explain where life came from in the first place.

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goaded

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That's true, although there are many serious theories. None of them expect anything more than simple replicating molocules, though.

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Wade8888

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I think you miss my point.

On what basis does evolution select anyway? If you make some sort of appeal to logic, I'll ask you where logic itself came from.

Same problem arises in the laws and origins of the Universe. If the Atheist attempts to use logic or s sub-set of logic, such as a mathematical expression, to explain the origins of the Universe, I then ask "where did Logic itself come from?"

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goaded

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"On what basis does evolution select anyway?"
Not dying before you have offspring.

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Wade8888

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If that were all that mattered, everything would be viruses and bacteria, as they are infinitely more successful at self-replication than are macroscopic organisms.

However, you made a claim based on Logic.

So again, I ask, "where did the Logic come from?"

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goaded

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From the evolved ability to consider possible consequences of actions and make predictions, I expect. Something like that anyway. e. g. "If I take another step, I'll fall over the cliff."

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goaded

I'd go for "unbelievably" rather than "ridiculously", but that's just me! ISTR there was a single female, and a single male, but they lived a long time apart from each other...

What do you mean by "Evolution alone does not explain this either"?

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Wade8888

Evolution explains how existing life forms change into presumably better adapted forms. It doesn't explain where life came from in the first place.

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goaded

That's true, although there are many serious theories. None of them expect anything more than simple replicating molocules, though.

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Wade8888

I think you miss my point.

On what basis does evolution select anyway? If you make some sort of appeal to logic, I'll ask you where logic itself came from.

Same problem arises in the laws and origins of the Universe. If the Atheist attempts to use logic or s sub-set of logic, such as a mathematical expression, to explain the origins of the Universe, I then ask "where did Logic itself come from?"

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goaded

"On what basis does evolution select anyway?"
Not dying before you have offspring.

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Wade8888

If that were all that mattered, everything would be viruses and bacteria, as they are infinitely more successful at self-replication than are macroscopic organisms.

However, you made a claim based on Logic.

So again, I ask, "where did the Logic come from?"

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goaded

From the evolved ability to consider possible consequences of actions and make predictions, I expect. Something like that anyway. e. g. "If I take another step, I'll fall over the cliff."

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Celtero

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Ah, yes. All of us right-wingers are stoopid bible thumping morons.

Nah. God is as real as santa. The establishment was still on Biden's side, and Trump probably could've won anyway if he was a decent candidate.

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You say that, but 58% of Republicans (85% of Trump approvers) think Trump won the election. That's as real as the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

And you, yourself, are claiming the result was because of the "establishment", and not people actually voting.

edition.cnn.com/.../index.html

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goaded

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Hell, this article actually uses the beliefs of Republicans that Trump won as proof that Trump won! Can you say "circular reasoning"?
townhall.com/.../americans-remain-convinced-trump-won-n2583395

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Celtero

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Polls aren't dogma. You can poll a specific portion of the population in order to get the result you want. And what's your point anyway? We might as well be discussing what idiots leftists are for thinking Trump was a Russian agent after 2016.

OF COURSE the election is a result of people voting. But the way people voted is a result of manipulation. This is obvious when facebook and twitter BAN the Hunter Biden laptop story that came out right before the election. The media is just another shill for democrats, working hard to make democrats look good and republicans bad.

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Well, yes, "You can poll a specific portion of the population in order to get the result you want.", but that defeats the point of taking a poll. The idea is that you try to find a representative selection. You do know that the bipartisan Senate report found a load of communications between the Trump campaign and Russia, don't you?

The very fact that the Hunter Biden laptop story came out right before the election is the most obvious tell that it was crap. Did the copy of the hard drive get given to every news outlet to verify for themselves? How long had it been available? Why was it sent to Rudy? Did it even prove that Joe did anything wrong?

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goaded

You say that, but 58% of Republicans (85% of Trump approvers) think Trump won the election. That's as real as the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

And you, yourself, are claiming the result was because of the "establishment", and not people actually voting.

edition.cnn.com/.../index.html

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goaded

Hell, this article actually uses the beliefs of Republicans that Trump won as proof that Trump won! Can you say "circular reasoning"?
townhall.com/.../americans-remain-convinced-trump-won-n2583395

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Celtero

Polls aren't dogma. You can poll a specific portion of the population in order to get the result you want. And what's your point anyway? We might as well be discussing what idiots leftists are for thinking Trump was a Russian agent after 2016.

OF COURSE the election is a result of people voting. But the way people voted is a result of manipulation. This is obvious when facebook and twitter BAN the Hunter Biden laptop story that came out right before the election. The media is just another shill for democrats, working hard to make democrats look good and republicans bad.

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goaded

Well, yes, "You can poll a specific portion of the population in order to get the result you want.", but that defeats the point of taking a poll. The idea is that you try to find a representative selection. You do know that the bipartisan Senate report found a load of communications between the Trump campaign and Russia, don't you?

The very fact that the Hunter Biden laptop story came out right before the election is the most obvious tell that it was crap. Did the copy of the hard drive get given to every news outlet to verify for themselves? How long had it been available? Why was it sent to Rudy? Did it even prove that Joe did anything wrong?

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Juxtapose | 343 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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Creationism is bullshit but I 100% believe all politicians are doing the slimmest shit possible at all times, including Trump!

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So, he just wasn't as good at being slimy before the election as his opponents? I think he's more than made up for it since!

Bearing in mind mostly what was going on "against him" (as he'd claim, it wasn't really) was simply ensuring that as many people as possible could safely vote, I think I prefer that kind of sliminess.

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Juxtapose

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Currently most of the deep state leans towards that sjw shit while in the Bush-era it was conservative oligarchs who were in control.

Don't get it twisted, the Democrats are not your friend anymore than the Republicans are.

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goaded

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Ensuring as many people as possible can safely vote = sjw shit?

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Juxtapose

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lol do you honestly believe they give a shit about safety and voting? Voting is just a distraction so people don't realize that America isn't actually a democratic republic.. it is a plutocratic oligarchy.

Votes means NOTHING.

100% of the population could vote for some populist candidate that wants to get money out of politics and that guy would be assassinated and the votes would be tampered with.

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Juxtapose

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*mean nothing

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goaded

So, he just wasn't as good at being slimy before the election as his opponents? I think he's more than made up for it since!

Bearing in mind mostly what was going on "against him" (as he'd claim, it wasn't really) was simply ensuring that as many people as possible could safely vote, I think I prefer that kind of sliminess.

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Juxtapose

Currently most of the deep state leans towards that sjw shit while in the Bush-era it was conservative oligarchs who were in control.

Don't get it twisted, the Democrats are not your friend anymore than the Republicans are.

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goaded

Ensuring as many people as possible can safely vote = sjw shit?

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Juxtapose

lol do you honestly believe they give a shit about safety and voting? Voting is just a distraction so people don't realize that America isn't actually a democratic republic.. it is a plutocratic oligarchy.

Votes means NOTHING.

100% of the population could vote for some populist candidate that wants to get money out of politics and that guy would be assassinated and the votes would be tampered with.

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Juxtapose

*mean nothing

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Jersey2 | 103 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.

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Trump lost and evolution explains the origins of man as per my Catholic schooling. Although there is more to it of course as I believe in God. I also like Darwinism.

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GAGSucksBalls1

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Trump lost and his supporters need to "get over it"

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Resist!

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Jersey2

Resist!

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