If Jesus forgives everything, why is there talk about going to hell?

[btbc92]

Because hell is a place for the damned. It was for those angels that fell and disobeyed God. It was not meant to be a place for human beings. We have to change and be like Jesus. He showed us the way to basically "godhood" which the church doesn't know, and the Catholic Church lied about and mixed their religion with Christianity as it was originally meant to be. Causing issues and confusion for their economic and social control.

Hell is a real place, I've seen it and it is NOT a place for anyone to go to! Some people are already in hell while living today. Some people's ouls are gone, but the body is living. People today as well as the church are not spiritually equipped to handle spiritual matters and cast out devils. Yes, Jesus forgives, but neither he nor God will be mocked. People today have no remorse for the sins they do. They don't. An unretentive heart leads to damnation and you're not saved. We have to fight for our salvation every single day. Tomorrow isn't promised to anyone.

There is a talk about hell because hell separates you from the Father and your creator, who loves YOU. Because we as human beings are the ones who failed the test, we have to overcome and try again to become like Jesus, who entered godhood when he rose again on the 3rd day and ascended to heaven. THAT is what we were supposed to do. Instead of getting there, we die before that. But those who died in Christ will be resurrected again and be in their new bodies. The world has been lied to.

You have free will to choose, but you decide where you want to go. There are conditions in this life as well as after this life. In other to get to where you need to go you have to qualify for something, right? Well, it's similar in the spiritual world. We now have to earn our way, But Jesus has shown us that.

[Espresso-Grande]

Forgiveness is only extended to those who are servants of God. Jesus gave his life as a random sacrifice so all human could be forgiven. All humans can take advantage of the sacrifice, he died for everyone, but that doesn't mean all humans will automatically be forgiven. In order to be forgiven, people first need to pray for forgiveness , stop doing whatever it is they're doing wrong, and live their lives in accordance to the scriptures before they'll be forgiven.

I don't believe in the concept of hell. The belief is rooted in pagismn and it is unscriptual. Centuries ago, Pagans who converted to Christianity adopted the belief to encourage converted pagans not to deviate from Christianity. (that was only one belief amongst many other traditions and pagan beliefs that the Christian church adopted)

Anyone who knows God would know he'd never torture people forever in a fiery furnace.

When we die, our sins are forgiven. "The wages of sin is death" So going to hell would mean we'd be punished twice for ours sins; once when we died and secondly, being tortured forever. It's not inlign with God's ways of purpose

[Aguysopinion4799]

Good point..

I am not religious but another thing that confuses me is that... if god made everything... why would god make things that were destined to be sent to hell?

I think the idea of hell is really just from Christians who didn't like certain things that people did and wanted to use it as a deterrent against anything they disagree with such as homosexuals.

now the deadly sins Pride, Greed, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath and Sloth...

I could almost imagine these all actually were listed as sins by the Church in history based on

moments of Famine where it was considered terrible for one person to eat a lot and not share
The historical moments of war and destruction that led to make churches claim it is the devils work
Times in history when workers needed to do heavy labour and laziness would be considered very bad
The history where leaders who had too much Pride caused downfall in kingdoms and governments

But for Envy and Lust... those are not really historical things I can think of, they are just things people will feel at moments in their life... maybe the church disliked people being fixated on things other than the christian things and those two apparent sins may have reduced the amount of people attending churches...


But yeah... If god is supposed to forgive all then why create a load of things that are also supposedly going to be destined to be living in a burning world? Unless you are pretty thick... I mean, there is also the part about putting 2 of every animal on a boat... but think about it... predators on the boat would just kill the others... why did god need to do a flooding in the first place?

[Dargil]

He does not forgive unless you do or have done these things.
*Accept Jesus the Christ (AKA G0d incarnate) as your Savior.
*Confess your sins to him in prayer.
*Repent of those sins.
*Ask for forgiveness of them and it will be granted.

Jesus does not issue "blanket forgiveness" otherwise there would be nothing qualifying as sin.
You have to accept Him, confess to Him, repent of your sin to Him and ask for forgiveness.
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. American King James Version If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" John 1:9

[jennifer_bloom]

Jesus can forgive almost everything but that does not mean he chooses to forgive everything. God can chose to forgive somebody who beats people up but that does not mean God will forgive somebody who beats people up.

[devilman666]

Because the church needs some way of scaring you into herd mentality. So if you don't go to church and follow the lessons of your church elders/superiors, then you will go to hell, therefore anyone who believes is terrified that if they don't obey then they will be punished. Why do you think so many parents were compliant in hiding the disgusting actions of Catholic priests? They defended literal pedophiles who had hurt their children, because they thought God would be angry if they didn't. Heaven and hell are just tools for the church/religious organization to control the thoughts and actions of their followers.

[proNutro]

He forgives those who repent. For those who know they have done wrong. He forgives those who have given their life to Him as in, Heforgives the one who have faith in Him, who believe in Him.
Good people don’t go to heaven, forgiven people do.
People will do wrong and won’t see how it’s wrong so they don’t care, they live a sinful life without ever repenting, they will face God on judgment day.
I personally don’t like telling people they’ll go to hell because it’s tasteless and out of line.

[ChrisMaster69]

I love all the comments about forgiving of sin.

pretty good when you consider what the church has been doing for likely century to either altar boys, orphans etc. I would hazard a guess you can pick any religion and country and state and the same thing happened. One of the reasons they are so keen to forgive sin, is the mountain of sin they have themselves.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9138905/Damning-report-finds-thousands-unmarried-Irish-mothers-babies-suffered-refuge-homes.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-34075164

The hypocrisy is pretty staggering at times.

[jgokgotit]

Jesus forgives MOST sins, not all. First, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not forgiven. Saying "God Damn" is using the Lord's name in vain, not blasphemy. Blasphemy is deliberately blocking out the Holy Spirit and choosing sin. The only ones in danger of Blasphemy are atheists because they refuse to accept Jesus and the gift of the Holy Spirit. 2nd, to activate Jesus's forgiveness, you must first accept him as Lord and Savior. It is not possible for unbelievers to be forgiven until they accept that Jesus is Lord and accept his sacrifice. Even those who accept Jesus can "return his gift" by deciding to reject Jesus and choose sin. Part of Jesus's sacrifice requires repentance, which means trying to turn from sin. These are the parts people tend to miss when talking about Jesus's forgiveness. If you feel guilty when you sin and turn back to Jesus each time, then you have nothing to worry about.

[what3ver]

The American church is sick. Most churches, especially evangelical churches, preach messages antithetical to scripture on a regular basis. There's not even clear evidence from scripture that hell even exists in the sense that it's taught in American churches.

Yes, Jesus forgives everything. No matter what your pastors, teachers, parents, friends, or community say, Jesus' blood covers all sin. Romans 8 says that God no longer sees our sin, but instead sees us as He sees Christ. If you have accepted Jesus, you are objectively, completely sinless. Your behavior no longer defines you; God defines you, and according to scripture, God says that you are perfectly righteous and pure, unconditionally.

[Anonymous]

Jesus forgives you if you repent. It you wash your hands of the sin you created. Think of it this way... how many people do you know personally that fuck up all the time but instead of taking responsibility for what they've done, they play victim and blame everyone else for it? I know that I personally know more people who have victim mentality than people who own up to their mistakes.

If you continuously fuck up and blame everyone else for it, you aren't repenting. You aren't owning up to the sin you created. Heaven, from my understanding, comes to those who wash their hands of the sin they have lived in. They own up and admit to what they've done. People who refuse to do that after all the mistakes they've made... well, you're going to hell.

[Anonymous]

Tell the preacher to go back to school. Jesus may have the ability to forgive everything but that doesn't mean he *will* forgive everything.

What the priest is saying is something the pick and choose religious believe. By pick and choose I mean they pick and choose what versus to believe in because it supports their mentality not because they are truly religious. They see this verse or that verse as validation for their racist, sexist or whatever mentality. Forgetting, in doing so, they're doing one of the greatest sins by judging others.

As for hell. Hell is what you make it. The pick and choose, as example, are oftentimes the most typical religious to make donations in church believing that they can buy their way into heaven. Their own sinful behavior creates their own hell and why such people are oftentimes embittered, etc.

[AlexanderAnttila]

Because forgiveness means nothing if not accompanied with repentance. If you come to Jesus Christ and accept his grace and forgiveness, and you have a taste of His truth and goodness but then turn around and keep sinning, and stop coming to Jesus, then you are rejecting Him, He isn't rejecting you.

It is God's will that all should be saved, but He doesn't force His will on us. We have free will to choose light or darkness. It is not about never sinning, all of us are sinners and fall short of God's glory, it is about where our heart is when we do sin, do we confess our sins for what they are and seek forgiveness? Then He is faithful to forgive. If we do not, if we live as if what we do isn't sin and we need no forgiveness, what forgiveness can there be?

In essence; do not blame the Lord for your own choices.

[90sVibe]

God's enemies chose to be in opposition to His holiness and grace. It's not God Himself who decides who does and doesn't go to hell, it's the individual themself who choses hell instead of Christ's sacrifice and redemption. It's only because of love itself that God made a way for us (as sinners) to become holy ourselves to measure up by grace and through faith to meet God's demands of holiness. It's because of love that there is a separation of unholy and holy, and it's because of love that those who choose Jesus's love and sacrifice can obtain eternal life with Him instead of being damned to hell.

[Sarahr123]

He forgives if you accept him as your saviour that he died for your sins. God knows that humans sin so it is natural and when you atone for them you’re forgiven. You have to go to confession, you have to go to mass regularly and you cannot commit mortal sins. It’s not as simple as Jesus will just forgive everybody.

[BCRanger10]

Because Christ Himself said "Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 7:21).

If someone doesn't confess and repent of their sins, what does that say about their love for and devotion to Christ?

[Anonymous]

(NOTE: I tried to keep it historical and secular)

It all has to do with evangelicalism. In American history you can learn about the "great awakenings," which essentially comprise the populist success of evangelicalism (some historians say we are in the midst of a third GA).

This is important because a defining focus of evangelicalism and Great Awakenings is the belief that god is "angry." A consequence of this is that they have a greater focus on satanism and hell than other denominations, going so far as to say non-evangelicals are condemned to damnation.

TL;DR - The conflicting messages probably came from different christian denominations, one evangelical and one more moderate.

[123lucy]

I am pretty sure it's because you have to believe in Jesus and stuff to be forgiven. I guess Jesus likes to send people to eternal torture who didn't believe in him because he gave them no reason to. I wonder what happens to people who live in like tribes and stuff that have no connection to anywhere else and will never have even heard of other religions to whatever they do in their culture.

[LittleTurtleDuck]

The thing is that, yes Jesus forgives you.
But if you don't accept him (belive in him) his forgiveness is not preventing you from going to hell. You have to want the forgiveness and belive in him.
Or at least that is what I got out of conversations I had with religious people.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

Yes, it's say Jesus >can< forgive any sin but that depand on you as well to want to be forgiven and to not ever make sin.
Think of the two thieves who were crucified with Jesus.
One laughed at him until the last moment, being a bad man until the last moment and unworthy of forgiveness.
While another was saved, he confessed his sins and wished him only good things.
The latter, although he was a sinner, wanted to be forgiven and not to err, so he was saved in the afterlife.

[EssenceOfLight]

Reward and punishment is part of any religion, it's gaining control over people with whip and sugar cube principle. God loves and forgives everyone in Christian belief, but didn't hesitate to start a deluge, destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, punish Egyptians... and sending people who were bad boys and girls in their life time to eternal purgatory. It's the same crap with killing. "You shouldn't kill" but killing in war is a good thing and god supports that.
It's seems God has borderline personality, but more credible is the option that god doesn't exists and every Religion is just a tool for charlatans to control others.

[MarkRet]

Jesus took the past, present, and future sins of the world upon himself, so that anyone can have access to Heaven. You still have to ask Jesus to enter your heart and guide you. If you don't accept Jesus (and God by extension) in this life, then God does not accept you in Heaven. Atheists, even though they are still loved by God, are truly doomed upon death.

[Hannah_le]

Im guessing it depends if your really sorry but Im not religious too much. I sort of look at religion as a way to make u a better or good person. But I don’t rlly believe like the Bible’s and all. There’s so many versions Idek 🤷🏻‍♀️.

[Savage_Wisdom]

Jesus can forgive anything. The problem is, you have to be truly sorry for him to forgive you. You can't just go to him, half-heartedly say "I'm sorry", and expect everything to be good. It just doesn't work that way, because you don't mean it.