Your last question is easier to answer. Blame it on man. Man is the one who took Earth from a Garden of Eden to the shit hole it has become. Blame it on Big Pharma as they make money on sick people, not healthy people. I'm thinking there is lots of cures for disease but the powers that be who want less people on earth and make big bucks from keeping cures hidden as well as the ways to feed the world and have abundant power. Tesla had a good plan but was murdered and his research stolen, never to see the light of day again. All the stuff that is going on here on Earth, such as possible war with China is man's doing because someone wants to be the bully on the block or because someone's feelings got hurt.
@JuliaStyles oh so when something good happens, you say "thanks jesus" but when something fucked up happens, it's "mans" fault. isn't that a bit double standarted?
No, because it is usually true. Man has been screwing up since his creation and is still at it today.
@Daniela1982 my point is: god made man how man is. So it's gods fault that we do the fucked up shit. Not ours. We are just how we've been made.
God did not make man how man is, God made man perfect. It was Satan who threw a wrench into the works. Just as man is today, curious, easily fooled, and manipulated by powers that be, so was Adam and Eve and what was created perfect was defiled - by man's actions - just as they are today. Just look around the Earth today. Anything that is good is screwed up by some joker in one way or another- FUBAR - Fucked up beyond any repair. We kill each other with abandon, with every kind of sin. Man has taken what was created to be wonderful and beautiful and defiled it for their own purposes, including sex. What I find funny is that man can never own the fact they they are the monkey wrenches in at all and they like to use God as their scape goat for their own lusts and hunger for power, wealth, and deviancy. If you have ever read Song of Solomon in the Bible - (oh, I guess I'm dreaming thinking anyone does that. They prefer to bitch about God "causing all their problems" when their free will to do what they want to do and refuse to face the consequences is the real culprit) - you would see that God is not against sex, after all, He created it, but all these things like homosexuality and BDSM and the like which are the creation of man , was not in His design. Like I said, man has taken what was perfect and changed it into filth and degeneracy.
Kids dying of starvation is because of man who squanders natural resources, pollutes our water and air, and paves over everything with freeways and shopping centers instead of being frugal caretakers of our fertile farmland. Right now in California the areas that grow 70% of our vegetables is not getting the water to irrigate their crops so sooner or later you will see a shortage and higher prices. A while back I read that they wanted to tear down 4 dams on the California/Oregon border so that Salmon can spawn. I mean really? When water is scarce they want to destroy 4 reservoirs? What do you think is more important, a few fish or tons of other food that feeds us? So don't blame everything on God because you don't want to believe that man is stupid and that our government officials we vote for are not for us, but for their own agendas, getting votes, and getting rich.
@Daniela1982 if god made man perfect, man wouldn't be so fucked up. You won't be able to argue that off the table. Man being fucked up is gods failure at best and gods straight up malevolence at worst.
But if you wanna argue good y failed, then you gotta question his omniscience or omnipotence. So if he's God, he is both, he can only be malevolent.
If god is omniscient and omnipotent and he created man, then you can't blame man for being fucked up. You have to balme god, cause he had war it takes to not make them fucked up.
Why are you not smart enough to understand that He gives you free will, which includes the ability to fuck up the world, or your life. If you fucked up you life it was your decisions that did it. Own it and stop blaming anyone else.
@Daniela1982 ok. just answer me this question: is god omnipotent and omniscient? or is god not?
I'm pretty sure you know the answer. If not then you know nothing of God, just what men's point of view is.
@Daniela1982 no i do not know the answer. that's why i'm asking. is he or not?
@Daniela1982 and the "male" point of view has absolutely 0 to do with that. i know you realized that i'm gonna nail you down on what you're saying. that's why you're dodging.
What does it matter what I say, one way or the other. You'll just argue against it. So believe what you want and have a good life.
@Daniela1982 no. the argument is different for each thing being the case. what is it? if he is omnipotent and omniscient, then him letting adam and eve be in the garden of eden with the tree of wisdom is equally dumb as a mother letting her 4 year old play with a knife. if a mother lets her 4 year old play with a knife and it stabs itself to death, do you think the mother is at fault or was it the kids fault? i think the mother is at fault. and i hold god to that same standard. if you don't wanna do that, then why listen to him? and if he isn't omnipotent and/or omnicsicent, then what sort of crappy god is that? i'm sorry that i'm not cutting got the slack but for me, i don't put "what i wanna believe" first. i put what i can know first. and i can know that at least the god described in the bible is evil. so i'm not gonna follow that god.
@Daniela1982 evil or powerless. in either case. waste of time.
@Daniela1982 the thing is that it's hard to discuss those things with people that believe. cause for me, nothing is on the line. i'm an atheist. but for you, your entire world view is on the line, which is not an insignificant problem. that's why i have an easier time holding god accountable in this theoretical scenario.
Here's the thing. I don't let things bother me or dwell on them, because shit happening in my life makes me stronger and I know God will not test me beyond what He knows I can stand. 1 Corinthians 10:13 - No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it. For you you have no one that has your back, and when you face trials you either freak out or blame God but probably both. I am also not afraid of death when most men are terrified of it. Job 2:4 - “Skin for skin! Yes, all that a man has, he will give for his life." I know that when I die I will be with my loved ones that passed before and we will all be together at the supper God has planned for his children. We are all going to have physical death - some sooner and some later. It is inevitable. But You will also suffer spiritual death. I won't be suffering that.
Instead of swelling on the bad be thankful you found this out before you had a child. You know there are tons of good kids up for adoption. If you want children that may be a choice for you. It may not be your flesh and blood but I'm sure you would make some lonely and seemingly unwanted kid very happy.
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His response to you: 1. "Why do you not honor me?"2. "Why do you take my name lightly whenever shocked by a life inconvenience?"3. "Why do you make no time for me?"4. "Why do you not honor authority that comes from me? Why will no one else?"5. "Why did you make that one kid in your neighborhood cry?"6. "Why have you not honored what I intended your sexual biology for?"7. "Why is there so much dishonest gain in your life that you are okay with?"8. "Who have you hurt with your words and destroyed with false narratives for personal gain?"9. "Why is an iPod worth more than a soul in the minds of men?"10. "Why can no one trust that if I pair two together in my name, your purpose is not to possess either of them?"You won't be the only one unable to give a straight answer. And therein lies the problem. He's keeping every string and quark in the universe in place. We're the ones screw up so badly. We are the ones who turned to our own way, wishing to be the gods ourselves of this Earth - one without Him. To blame Him for it being as bad as it is, is like knocking the planet out of orbit, and then blaming the sun for darkness and cold. You may as well blame the bike manufacturer when you plunge a stick in the wheel and fall off and hurt your knee.
@ObscuredBeyond And then I'd respond by asking "Why are you so insecure and needy for being the creator of all life as we know it? That'd be like a game developer getting mad that their A. I NPC's in a game are scared and confused. Or a asking why a baby doesn't understand self-existence ad their role in the world you created us into. Especially when you haven't given us a CLEAR AND OBVIOUS sign you exist in... Well, literally EVER. How can you expect us feeble and simple-minded creatures to possibly know what to do in this chaotic, scared, and lawless universe you've thrown us in that you don't even give us clear signs you even exist in? Not to mention the whole 'letting Satan torture and hurt us every single day' thing. You wouldn't respect any absentee father who lets His next-door neighbor hurt and abuse His children, either."
Did God create Covid? A lot if diseases are caused by man. God made a perfect Earth and we have done nothing but try and ruin it. That is man doing that, not God.
@JuliaStyles The claim is that god created EVERYTHING!! That means that, without what god made, there'd be no disease. Even if it CAN'T be traced to a god, why does this god thingy ALLOW it's creations: humans, to die from ANYTHING other than natural causes? ESPECIALLY when people beg for this god thingy to extend their lives and heal them when they are sick?Another claim is that god knows all. Okay,. so, if god KNEW man was gonna fuck up the planet, why did it create man? And, if man was created in the image of this god thingy, how is it man is so weak and fallible? If we are in god's image, shouldn't WE be smart enough not to fuck up the planet? Should WE be able to do ANYTHING, including live forever and create entire universes? If god knew EVERYTHING, it wouldn't have created man or it would've at least given man the wisdom to do ONLY good!! Not a very wise god, is it?
@FunkyMonkee Wow who fucked you over so royally that you blame God for all your fuck ups?
@Daniela1982 I'm not blaming god for anything! In order for to do that, there had to BE a god!! Besides, isn't that what you people do all the time? "Mommy, why is it I only have one arm?" "Well, that's the way god made you and I suppose it has a reason for doing so!" Nope! It has NOTHING to do with mommy being strung out on crack the entire time she was pregnant!"Mommy, why were you a crack whore?""It's just the path god chose for me to follow, honey. I'm sure god has a good reason and that's why I still love him like the blind puppet that I am."
If you don't believe there is a God why are you trolling this question then?
@JuliaStyles You asked a question, I answered. If you can't take answers liker the one I gave, don't ask those kinds of questions!
Sounds more like your self image and self esteem is telling you that. You can't blame everything on God. You must have taken some part in it, like maybe drug / alcohol use?
@JuliaStyles I never used to have self esteem or image problems, I never used to let what others say affect me, I've always tried to be positive, trying to make friends, find love but after being told my entire life how ugly I am and how I'll never find someone. I've never done drugs, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't even drink pops or juices but everyone must be right that I'm ugly, because everyone says it. I had Selective Mutism as a kid and worked hard to overcome it, it has since returned and I only try to overcome it these days at work, I have in recent years been diagnosed with AVPD, BDD, MDD. I stopped believing in God when I realized how hateful religion is and everyone always saying things like if something bad happens it's your fault but if you work your ass off to make something happen God gave you your reward, that makes no sense to me, how can I be born with a face that everyone in my life says is ugly and yet it's my fault because God can't be blamed for the bad in my life? If there is a god, he surely has abandoned me like everyone else in my life. An yet I still go to work everyday a put on my happy face just so I can tear it off when I get home.
Are you talking you or God?
That won't happen. God is eternal. Who did what to you that you would hate God instead of the perpetrators of these things that were done to you?
I got religious trauma. I do not believe in God anyway even though I was born under a catholic family but I don't believe in him. If anything he could just be an adult man trying to become famous back in his early days and all those things he said turned into that.
Why do you think that?
@JuliaStyles I don't know I have been sexually assaulted by my older cousin who also murdered my dog Lucy" the only thing I trusted and made me feel like someones got my back" both my parents were alcoholics and drug addicts wasn't allowed to have normal relationship with the outside world a mentally abusive mother mixed with cabin fever plus I got Left with her abusive boyfriend who locked me in closets and forced me to eat even if it made me puke. My fiance cheated on me not once but twice my younger cousin who ended up being my only friend after Lucy ditched me for a new group of friends and treat's me like I'm last weeks lunch he forgot in his car
Not to mention my older cousin also physically abused me so sorry if I'm a little screwed
Plus a emotionally manipulating grandma and a controlling alcoholic Grandpa and the only truly good person in my life grandma Carolin was taken from me at 13 year's old and the last words she said to me was that she was disappointed in Me
So as far as baggage goes I take the whole airport terminal
But this is all people that are doing this. God has nothing to do with it. People have evil hearts and free wills where they can do what they want, even wrong. That is the doing of the Devil, not God. Jeremiah 17:9 says "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?"
@JuliaStyles look you can believe what you want that's your choice and I won't discriminate or belittle you for it or even try to change your mind. Now when I say this don't think I don't have a moral compass 🧭 I don't drink I don't drug I don't smoke or party I don't Dress in revealing clothes. I don't even raise my voice no matter what is done to me I have only lost my temper once in my life. Even when my fiance cheated on me I didn't scream or threaten I sat calmly at a table and told them both to sit because I deserved answers from both of them. I go to work and just want a simple life on a homestead and to be left alone. But I am a girl of science not religion
But agin im not saying your religion is dumb or anything or saying you shouldn't believe what you want just saying I personally prefer science
Come on! You know God doesn't feel that way.
@JuliaStyles Are you being sarcastic?
No but I surmise you are. God has patience with everyone. But if someone won't listen to reason that is on them, not God. "And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. (Rom. 1:28-30)
@JuliaStyles There is a quote, that I can paraphrase here:The difference between god and I, is that if I had the power to stop a rapist, I would. God sits back and watches and then is like, "You have fun, but know, I'm gonna punish you later.""Isn't he so loving 💕You should stop blaming innocent people for your god's failures.
Of course God could stop it but that would take away someone's free will and you would be nothing but a robot. I'm pretty sure everyone knows what is right and wrong. Some choose wrong and they have the free will to do this. But again we are going back to man who are the ones doing this stuff. You seem to excuse man's part and put it solely on God.
@JuliaStyles So god could stop a rapist, but he chooses to watch and let the person suffer. Tell me, are you the sort of person who believes that a cop arresting something with plans of murdering another individual is a violation of that person's freedom and rights? I mean, by your logic, it's perfectly okay to let that person murder another, and only arrest them after the killing, even if you could have prevented it.
You can believe anything you want. Maybe you should read some books on God, questions and answers and draw your own conclusion because right now you are shooting blanks in the dark and striking out like a blind rattlesnake. . "Answers to Questions About the Bible" - David Jeremiah.
@JuliaStyles So you have no answer. You could have just said so
You are speaking from a human perspective and with limited knowledge. If you suddenly knew what God knows you might think differently. For instance, do you think if someone was going to kill Hitler early on and save millions of lives that God should have stopped it? What don't you understand about having free will? You have the freedom to do anything. What good is that freedom if you aren't allowed to do anything? Like I said you don't know the big picture. God causes all things to work together for good, but mostly for believers. If you curse God and don't believe He exists and accept Him and constantly speak against Him and His word, and in fact may cause people to believe you instead, then why would He bother helping you as you are instrumental in sending people to hell. In fact God prevents millions from harm every day and minute. He spares us from out own bad choices and stupidity. Ever have any close calls when you may have died but got lucky? Was it really luck? God knows everyone's heart and if it is wicked or righteous. He knows every single thing you are going to do. If you are going to harm someone He knows it. If that person you are going to harm will some day do great things for God's purposes who do you think will be protected and who won't. God knows if you will accept His forgiveness by your belief in Jesus. If you will do this 10 years from now He won't let anything happen to you. But on the other hand, if He knows you never will all bets are off and your end might be used in some way so that someone else may come to repentance that may not have happened had you lived. Everything is interwoven with many possible outcomes. But they all work together better than any movie script that ever was or wasn't. So you can keep going the way you're going and assure your place in the Outer Darkness or get right so you don't get left.
@JuliaStyles Cool, cool. So you think rape is a good thing. Good to know.
Stop putting words in people's mouths and learn to read.
@JuliaStyles You are making excuses for rape. You are saying if god lets rape happen, it must be for a good reason. So you support rape.
You can't change the mind of a click bait troll so I won't try as they keep coming up with bull shit and try and put it in someone's mouth.. Good luck in life, as I'm thinking you will need it.
@JuliaStyles Have fun supporting rape :)
@JuliaStyles You should stop casting your pearls before the swine. These trolls live to argue with you as they are useless in life for anything else so they blame God for everything, even their own failings that was their choice. If you say potato they will say po tat toe. You aren't going to win over these turkey pot pies so just block them. I have a feeling the asker and SamAhole are the same person.
@Daniela1982 And yet I haven't blamed god once... Isn't it funny
@Daniela1982 And since you may be unaware, if I was the asker, my username would appear as "Asker" :)
Not if it was your troll account seeing as it was an Xper 1 which are usually trolls.
@Daniela1982 Well, you're welcome to believe whatever you want 🤷
By learning to troll better.