actually you just ignorant of the issue. holocaust deniers typically simply claim the numbers were fudged... and if you ask me, they were. the primary resource OF holocaust victims is a neutral source, the red cross and the red cross counted how many bodies of each group were murdered in each city and jews total around 300,000 not 6,000,000further the zionists have been claiming this magical 6,000,000 number for years before the holocaust, as far back as the 19th century they were claiming "6,000,000 jews in danger" etc... always 6 million... so my question to you, how'd they know? how'd they know it would be "6 million" before it happened and where is the data to back THAT up. 300,000 jews murdered? you bet, no doubts. but the 6million is highly dubious.the holocaust was exaggerated to gain world sympathy FOR jews (same thing the zionists had been trying to do since the late 19th century... so they could steal Palestine.www.biblebelievers.org.au/images/holohoax.jpg
@feminismisnarcissism There were 3.3 million Jews in Poland in 1939. Fewer than 300K after.There WERE no bodies for almost all of those who died in the death camps because the bodies were incinerated and the bones crushed. So counting bodies is meaningless. If you look at eyewitness accounts and stats available, the numbers of 8-10 million are reasonable (not all were Jews).The accounts of perpetrators, surviving victims, and neutral witnesses all back this figure. Don't forget that for the most part, the Nazi's were trying like hell to cover up the murders.
i didn't mean literally man. And jews migrated out of Poland throughout the 30s. there's mountains of information that it's not 6 million, but you didn't answer my question-how'd they know decades before over and over and over it was always 6 million in every claimed scenario? howd they know?
ya.. just a coincidence :)
@feminismisnarcissism I agree with you. It sucks!
@feminismisnarcissism Not that many Jews migrated out of Poland in the 1930's - it wasn't that easy, and they didn't really have reason to do so until 1939, when it was too late.
i see you can't answer my question...
@feminismisnarcissism What question? And what the hell is the difference if it was 6.5 million or 5.6 million?
it was 5% of what they say. And the difference is support for occupation of Palestine or not. Ask a Palestinian what the difference is.
@feminismisnarcissism No, there were millions, not hundreds of thousands, murdered by the Nazi's. EVERYONE acknowledges this except a few fanatics who ignore facts in their own little alternate realities.
that's the narrative, I'm aware. but the records show 300,000 at besttruedemocracyparty.net/.../auschwitz.jpg
and ultimately, regardless the bottom line remains: Jews are NOT special.
Anon racist girlI just hope it doesn't happen to you before you learn history.
@jacquesvol there are people who have suffered more, but don't cry
American natives, but it was over a longer period, not concentrated in 12 years.
@jacquesvol There's no crybaby Zionist (I don't say Jew, because here in my own country there are many Jews who are nice people. I don't want to generalize). I can't find a person who cries for a fake. A fake Holocaust!I'm not a racist, I have to remind it. Many people have labeled me as a racist. I'm not!
@BehNam you're an active Ahmadinejad militant, clear.
@jacquesvol I don't follow him and I have my own reasons!
@BehNam I read your comments here. Nothing to boast about.
@jacquesvol I do have many things to boast about my own country and homeland. I'm not a racist, again I have to remind that. I will summarize it, if any nation had a leader like Adolf Hitler, there would be peace upon the world. I consider him as an instance of a great leader who demanded peace. And why telling it to you honestly? I'm not afraid of sharing my opinion because I'm certain about it. I could make myself anonymous, but I didn't. Hitler was the person who had the greatest sympathy with his people and nation. People loved him, youth loved him, and future is in the hands of the person who youth love him, Many other things!I've read the stories of both sides, allies and axis, and I chose the one that seemed more irrational!I'm sure this comment of mine is going to be removed, but again, I just ignore that!
I *** [expletive words deleted] people like you.
@jacquesvol Then I studied more, well, the rational one is the most irrational. I was fooled. Hitler was the greatest man of Europe. He was the savior of his nation, he was the one who understood his people's problem, he cared for workers, he cared for his people, he cared for any kind of life forms. He liked children, he was a vegetarian because he couldn't tolerate an animal's death even in his mind. If I want to judge him by his appearance, however it is not a rational way of judging, he doesn't seem like a bad person. They hated him, because he didn't allowed the Rotschild made new world order take over his country. They destroyed his real personality to gain an opportunity to get to their own benefits!
@behnam1999You're a lying neoNazi.Nothing new.
@jacquesvol I don't lie. Search about it. You'll find firm evidences, there's nothing to lie. But of course I know that you don't even try to seek out the reality. It's too difficult to have your belief turning upside down, I understand you. Search about it, then accuse me of a liar. I'm not a Neo-Nazi, I told you before. To me, Hitler is an instance of a great person, no one can deny it forever because lies will collapse on their own weight, that's what the whole world is going to watch.
I don't tell you that your lying, I wonder how their media has affected people. Days before, I was fooled like you.
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another example: ask yourself, why is hitler so special? as a mass murderer, he was mediocre at best... stalin, pol pot, and mao zedong each murdered more than 30% more than hitler each.. but they're not taboo like hitler. as an artist i see it all the time-somebody paints hitler and they get jumped all over. paint stalin, nobody bats an eye lolhitler is NOT special, why? because jews are NOT special.but culture says they are-the people that are above us all are the most dangerous people of all and they tend to always pretend to be the victim when in reality they are the real oppressor.
1. The Pol Pot regime murdered about 2 million people. If they killed as many as Hitler that would have been 80% of the population of Cambobia at that time. As it was, about 25% died from execution or starvation.2. The Nazi's didn't just kill Jews. At least 2 million non-Jewish, non-combatants were murdered as well. It is estimated that nearly a million non-Jewish Poles were murdered by the Nazi's, as well as a couple hundred thousand murdered by Soviet forces both before and after the Nazi occupation.3. Just how are Jews dangerous?
Some scholars who are called Revisionist have evidences that there's no Holocaust. Why don't they try to start a fair argument? If they are certain about their Holocaust so they should reasonably respond to the evidences of revisionists, they simply make some excuses and call them as neo-nazis and etc. If they are certain about that, so no one can deny it if it is completely real. So what are they afraid of? Those neo-nazis which are in minority? Government owns media and many other organizations, with their power they can quieten those neo-nazis.
In my experience you can't talk to these "revisionists" for 5 minutes without them showing neo-nazi sympathies or using the word "zionist", etc... (like yourself). Those governments were (IMHO) right to suspect almost all revisionists were not being revisionist out of pure intellectual curiosity. It won't matter 30 years from now, but it did in the past, but I'm sure that in the shining light of personal freedoms that is the Islamic Republic of Iran anyone is free to deny atrocities committed by the shah's regime, or Western involvement in Iran's history, right?
@behnam1999I read what these deniers wrote. It's a bunch of gross lies and bullshit.
It should be allowed to question the Holocaust that way it can be proven as concrete fact to any doubters as it has been in the past. You see it more and more in countries with an awful past where there is an undercurrent of those who try to remember those "glory" days of the past as other than shameful and to rewrite history, you see it in Germany, Britain, Japan, China, France and even America. People need to look at their history without projecting what they want to believe.
@Righttobeararms83 The holocaust IS proven as concrete fact.
I know this but not allowing folks to question it gives fuel to those that say it didn't happen because they can say well if it happened why the conspiracy to prevent anyone questioning it. Its kinda like if I said you couldn't question who was responsible for 9/11.
@Righttobeararms83 denying the Holocaust is like saying 9/11 was all invented in Hollywood and never happened.
But 9/11 made 'only' 4000 victims
im not comparing the body count, just saying that those people for instance who believe there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 should be allowed to speak as much as any Holocaust denier. Im not refuting the Holocaust happened. Censoring free speech and thought no matter how ludicrous those speeches and thoughts are is unethical and though maybe done with admirable intentions on the case of the Holocaust represents part of the same tools evil tyrants use.
@Righttobeararms83 "the same tools evil tyrants use." Guns too are tools that evil tyrants use.
Guns are also the tools freedom fighters use as well to fight oppressive regimes.
@Righttobeararms83 ISIS and Al Qaeda too call themselves "freedom fighters". Others call them terrorists or rebels.
History will decide if they are or not.
@Righttobeararms83 When WE used Taliban to fight the Russians, we called them "freedom fighters". Now those who fight them are "freedom fighters"wafflesatnoon.com/.../reagan-afghan-article.jpg
they were freedom fighters but when they allow their country to be used as a terrorist base they are called enemies.
@Righttobeararms83 that terrorist base was constructed with CIA moneyA NATION CHALLENGED: CAVES AND TUNNELS; Heavily Fortified 'Ant Farms' Deter bin Laden's Pursuers www.nytimes.com/.../...arms-deter-bin-laden-s.htmlLost at Tora Bora www.nytimes.com/.../lost-at-tora-bora.html
During their fight against Russian aggression, would you have liked the Soviet Union to have won. Do you blame the Russians and Belgians for building the majority of small arms used by dictators and terrorists?
@Righttobeararms83 Brzezinski stated proudly that the Russians only intervened in Afghanistan because the US meddling lead the Afghan govt to ask their help against the rebels.
The US government did the same thing in Vietnam when South Vietnam asked for help against the invading North.
@Righttobeararms83 I knew that. Brzezinski too knew it.
It was called the Cold War, which would you rather prevailed communism or democracy?
@Righttobeararms83 in a cold war nobody wins. Except the military industry
Eisenhower's farewell address was very clear
Since Korea we're fighting wars by proxies
exactly korea was the first shoot fired. Actually the first shot fired was when Eastern block countries were prevented from having free elections, count your lucky stars that the Soviets only reached as far as Berlin.
@Righttobeararms83 Not exactly Korea: the first shots of the cold war were fired when Allied forces invaded Russia in 1918. Hitler made it a Hot War with Operation Barbarossa.After WW2 and in spite of the Yalta Accords, the UK and US Allied forces helped fascists to stay in power in Greece, squashing leftist anti German partizans militarily.
1919 more like after the war and even then nations such as Findland, Ukraine and Georgia were trying to bteak away from Moscow's control. Bear in mind Russia was lent shed loads of cash pre ww1 by france, Britain and America. WW2 didn't start until Russia signed a non aggression pact with Germany and stole half of Poland, a few years before they had invaded Finland. Not at all in Greece, Italy and France the Allies supported both sides against the Nazis but did not support the Russian controlled communists against the democratically elected government of Greece. In fact after ww2 the British had to check Tito's communist forces from invading Italy at the urging of Stalin as they wanted to test allied resolve against the advance of communism further west than agreed.
@Righttobeararms83 Russia hadn't forgotten the harsh 1918 Brest-Litovsk treaty. (tip: compare it to Versailles)When Germany invaded Poland, Russia had no choice but to advance into Poland to fight Hitler (look at the dates of both!). Russia probably also wanted to get back some territory they lost in the Polish–Soviet War (and some more, I suppose). Finland was invaded because its (then close) ties with Germany were considered a menace to Russian Baltic ports. Stalin certainly was NO saint offering his other cheek. :D With the non-aggression pact he bought time to make the Red Army war ready.
with his non aggression pact he gave the Nazis the upper hand when they could have stopped there and then, with one bad decisions Stalin took France, Belgium, Holland, Norway and Poland off the chess board making Germany twice as strong. Stalin invaded Finland because Finland was one Russian and was a democratic country that fought against the red army and won their freedom.
@Righttobeararms83 European countries didn't want to stop Hitler ao fascists; conservatives considered him an ally against Stalin and sacrificed Silezia and Austria without blinking. They also permitted Hitler and Mussolini to help Franco crush the Spanish elected govt, (destroying Guernica by the Luftwaffe). They permitted Mussolini to invade Greece and Albania
Austria was happy to join Germany after all Hitler was Austrian. Spain was a civil war were spainish facists tried to overthrow the democratically elected government, the Russians got involved too but with fewer men. European countries and America had opref for non interfere either way and adopted policies of appeasement to both Nazi German, Facist Italy, Imperial Japanese and Soviet aggressions and invasions. These appeasement policies lead eventually to WW2 though many would say depending on what country they came from that it was just a continuation of ww1 or started earlier such as in Finland or China. Which policy was the right one when dealing with the Spainish Civil war, Imperial Germany, Nazi Germany, Facist Italy, Imperial Japan , Soviet Russia, North Korea, North Vietnam, Iraq Gulf War1, Afghanistan 2001 Military Intervention or Appeasement?
@Righttobeararms83 *Some* Austrians were happy to be invaded, Later even *some* Dutch, *some Poles , *some* Norvegians, *some* Belgians were happy to be invaded. Same for about all European countries, the UK included. With hindsight Hitler could have been stopped in 1936 when German military forces entered the Rhineland and when the Luftwaffe developed considerably more advanced aircraft. All in breach of the Versailles Treaty. But France and the UK weren't willing, for various reasons.But hindsight is always 90%.
so which do you support military intervention or appeasement?
@Righttobeararms83 I note that since Tatcher and Blair the UK supports harsh military intervention over appeasement.
Just look at the recent UK parliamentary report about the British Libyan war.
After the Nueremberg racial laws of 1933 the whole world knew who Hitler and his Nazis were.
Nazi racial laws differed only from most othe countries at the time only that it targeted Jews and Slavs. 1933 was the time of Eugenics and experimentation on different peoples deemed sub-human by most European and American countries. The Nazis made use of a lot scientific theories of the day evolution and such, we point the finger at doctor mengala for his evil brutalitys while all he did was do what doctors/scientists at the time were doing in all western countries. Most recent Military interventions in the last twenty five years we knew what those dictators were about from Bosnia, seemingly from what I can see military intervention is too late or just doesn't happen. But do do you support military intervention, appeasement or isolationism?
@Righttobeararms83 which other western countries rounded up civilians only to send them to camps and kill them?
Britain for starters. Who invented concentration camps Britain. The Nazis took the science of the day to the next logical step I will give you that for thats where thr science on race and eugenics was heading only Christian morality that it was wrong was holding it back.
@Righttobeararms83 Napoleon had camps, there were camps during the US civil war the camps in South Africa only came 50 years later. And all these were NOT extermination camps.
funny because in the reservations the indians were executed. I never said that they did just that the Nazis based their racial policies on the science of the day which was taught in most western countries. For instance the British thought the Japanese would make poor piolts as they had bad balance from being carried on the backs of their mothers. For the Nazis racial science was their religion.
@Righttobeararms83 " In the reservation camps the Indians were executed" Tell us more about that : untill now the Americans I met denied it.
America like most European countries had two opposing ideologies on other races one was of how the Natives were sub-human, racially inferior and that it was justified to take whats theirs and kill them while the other was that of Christianity. In the case of the Native Americans some radical Christians believed they were a lost tribe of Israel, there was also a great cover up by educated professors and the Federal Government to hide the fact that the Native Americans had built great cities and had an advanced society simply because it didn't fit the notion that they were "savages".
@Righttobeararms83 That tellsne nothing about those "execution camps for Indians"
shelledy.mesa.k12.co.us/.../...tive_Americans.htmlIt tells the mindset of the time. Most Europeans and Americans believed that Africans, Jews and any other non European races were sub-human and souless as well as ripe for exploitation. Lets not forget the British, French and Spanish's roles in the destruction of Native American's. At the same time what was being done to native people's all across the globe by European countries. The Mexican government were hunting down Apaches like dogs. Then there's what the Spanish and Portuguese and the nation's that came after they were overthrown did to South American natives killing and enslaving them and having a massive brutal African Slave plantations that made the confederate states look like a small joke probably only outdone by the larger Arab-African slave trade. Many died in the reservations and were executed on mass, most died of small pox.My opinion of Nazi death camps was that it
the next logical step from where the science of the day was leading, it wasn't just the Nazis it was the belief of most European people to take from those they deemed inferior.
@Righttobeararms83 I visited Greece in the early sixties. I saw troglodytes north of Thessaloniki, people living in grottoes in the mountain sides I did not assume Greeks were inferior people because of that.I assumed they were extremely poor.
But yes, I know that we'll known people like Henry Ford and Walt Disney hated Jews.The way Trump hates Mexicans.
•well known •
@Righttobeararms83 taking away Jewish possessions in Germany started in 1933 and culminated a first time in Nov 38 , the Night of Broken Glass.
On Luther's birthday anniversary
"II visited Greece in the early sixties. I saw troglodytes north of Thessaloniki, people living in grottoes in the mountain sides I did not assume Greeks were inferior people because of that.I assumed they were extremely poor."I wasn't comparing you to the Nazis I was just saying remarking that what the Nazis believed was very much the mainstream thinking of most people nor do I believe it myself. This was after all the age of Eugenics and Elites and intellectuals believed in those times that the working classes and other races existed to service them and science backed this up.
@Righttobeararms83 A PART of the people believed it and some pseudo science was used to justify it.
A fairly large number believed it and wanted to believe it among the working classes. They liked the fact that no matter how bad they had it at least they were superior to an African or a Jew. We still have the same thing today were mainstream society will use pseudo statistical analysis and phoney statistics to promote political ideology.
Current status of the world, lies behind the real aftermath of ww2.
And yeah, that's fake.
Whatever makes you feel better about your backwards poverty stricken country boyo.
This is the reality. Holocaust is fake.. Jewish globalists and Zionists are controlling the world. You don't even try to search for what I'm saying.
@behnam1999You're just an ignorant fanatic.
the real irony though, is that "israel" makes the nazis look like fucking bambi
@feminismisnarcissism their victory in the middle east unfortunately sees them painted as villians.
@Righttobeararms83It's not about 'wrongly believing': it's about spreading gross lies to make Nazis seem innocent.
@feminismisnarcissism Next to nothing, compared to what the US and Arabs and Iranians themselves did.
@jacquesvol to many its a true from their point of view. Truth is often a perspective. Political Correctness often isn't about whats true but getting you to think what they want you to think ie WMD's in Iraq
@Righttobeararms83 This is very true, alas :www.justforeignpolicy.org/images/iraqdeaths.gif www.BBC.co.uk/.../bush.shtmlhttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/iLWakcUp43Q/hqdefault.jpg www.reuters.com/.../us-iraq-deaths-survey-idUSL3048857920080130www.BBC.co.uk/.../bush.shtmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OLPWlMmV7sAntd these hundreds of thousands also died: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War
no. In Germany the penalty is for incitement to hatred (§130) and violating the memory of the dead (§189 StGB)In Portugual it's discriminationIn my country, Luxembourg, denial of genocides is prohibited in generaletc.Just telling a lie doesn't get you in trouble.
@Yumix Telling lies always gets you in trouble one way or another. Those countries have just made it clearer for people who are too stupid to get it otherwise.
Why should it be illegal?
and im saying, why shouldn't it be
So you don't have any answer to my question.I'll tell you. There are a small number of revisionists. People who are seeking out the truth. They have found many evidences against Holocaust that really make challenge for the traditional historians. No logical response is made by them. They simple accuse them as Neo-Nazis, anti-semites, racists or whatever. They just avoid having arguments? So they punish those scholars! That is the law in 14 nations in Europe. If they had reliable evidences, so they could respond to them fairly.
well, im telling ya, the holocaust happened, i have proof, i already told you
What about the evidences that shows it hasn't happened? If you don't know about it and if you are curious, you can search for it in many websites!But I have to notice that, I'm not showing hostility against Jewish people, many of them are nice. They're just living their lives. I just want to know the reality so I seek it out!
the evidence for the Holocaust is concrete (six million jewish bodies, camps, furnaces, Nazi documentation for every jew) so why not let the doubters present their evidence so it can be proven false as it has been again and again rather than let that doubt be hidden and murmered at by those afraid to speak out.
@Righttobeararms83 They don't let them, because they know that there's no Holocaust. They can't provide reasonable responses for the evidences. They don't have any technical explanation about the gas chambers and other systems.The claim itself, looks illogical. That's obvious! They are afraid of challenges, because these evidences and their disability in responding them will threaten themselves and their goals. As I said before, their reaction is this:Accusing the scholars of being neo-Nazis, anti semites, racists, dumbs and anti jews. At the highest degree which is considered a law in 14 countries they will jail them or they do any other actions to quieten them. So with their lies, they can conquer people's minds as well as the world. This is how they respond to their evidences instead of a fair argument.Who are they?Zionists and Jewish globalists!
@luvitallSome people cry for neo-Nazis and love them.