Not unlike how we are with food. Fats and sugars where great sources of energy and as such we are wired to desire them, however they where also much rarer which is why we crave them to not pass them up when they become available. However with ranching and modern technology we where able to acquire these things with far more easy then we did before so they actually started to harm us because they became to available. This is essentially the same with sex, we craved it as a motivator to push us to take risks and find mates but with women now making it far easier to get its now resulted in disfunction for both genders as it we are not really built for promiscuity (as I pointed out on one of your other questions). So no, its not healthy, this is probably why women are unhappier now then they where in the fifties and every study has shown all those traditional and "sexist" treatments women got actually make them happier.
I agree brother, thanks for the response
While I don't doubt that "feminine" and "strong" can go together (as such women are out there), I still have a hard time imagining how. That's really what i was attempting to get at in DM. Because I love feminine girls, but there's also a sort of stigmatism that I can't seem to unroot in my thick skull (that being of immaturity, stupidity, incompetence etc). I hate that I think this way and I want that idea gone.Can you help me understand the coexistence? Can you give examples of how femininity and strength go together? Something?
Are there rights women don't have that men do?
@cavmanier In present-day Western society?
Yeah I'm wondering about right now in the US, but most of western society probably applies.
@cavmanier I'm leaning towards that being a no. On paper, we have the same legal rights and freedoms. In my personal experience, I haven't encountered a man who enjoyed more rights and privileges than I do.
The only one I think of immediately is can't show breasts, but I don't think that's really an unequal right because anatomies aren't the same. Overall I do agree with you. I think there's a strong chance men may just have a tenancy to be drawn more towards technology. There is evidence men tend to be more interested in focusing on solving tasks while women tend to be more interest with jobs working with people. I've noticed the movement for encouraging women to be equally represented in those jobs. What I don't understand is why aren't men encouraged to do female dominated jobs like social sciences or like working in fashion?
@cavmanier Yeah, there is a bit of a gender gap in the social sciences, but that's actually a recent development. Psychology and sociology were traditionally male-dominated fields, too. I'm unsure why there's such an influx of women in these fields, specifically, but if I had to speculate, I'd say it's because the social sciences are something of a middle ground between the stereotypically-underpaid fine arts & humanities fields and the male-dominated physical sciences, mathematics & engineering fields. But, I agree, I think equal representation is a good thing to strive for in any field. The fashion industry might not be the best example, though, as there are actually more male fashion designers than female--and the male ones are more successful, too.
Some say the more egalatarian a society the wider the gender gap: the direct opposite of the expected. I've heard the women's studies in universities recruited from the social sciences in the early years. Do you think that caused men to avoid those areas?
@quirf It's possible. Whenever something gains the rep of being "feminine" or "masculine", it tends to cause a divide between the genders.
Women are likely more attracted to social sciences because they like working with people. (I mean statistically of course). I don't agree with striving for equal representation. I support having individuals make their own decisions outside of filling quotas. The democratic party used to prioritize that individuality and individual choice, but now they are more interested in balancing people by their sex or race or whatever classification. I didn't mean designers specifically. I meant like why have I never heard of men needing to be more represented in some area? We could even say with lower child custody rates. Of course logically we know men are more likely to not request custody, but using the logic of striving for equal representation, we can penalize women applying in order to balance the final outcome or representation. (I don't actually support that but that's similar logic of equal representation by legislating an action in order to balance outcome).
@cavmanier Fulfilling quotas… no, no, that’s not what I meant by striving for equal representation. I’m not talking about bureaucratically making everything appear 50/50 on paper. I meant what I thought YOU meant: equal encouragement and support for each gender to pursue whatever field interests them, instead of encouraging one gender in one direction, the other in another, or not at all. Removing the “that’s for men” or “that’s a female job” stereotypes for activities, courses, etc. that pertain to the fields that are currently male/female-dominated. I’m talking about making it a sort of “free-for-all”, if you will. I think if we did that, over time, we’d start seeing a natural tendency for equal representation. For example, I think that the reason why there aren’t as many women in scientific fields is not because women are more sociable creatures or lack logico-mathematical reasoning and are therefore uninterested in scientific fields, but because
[cont] there is this mentality that “taking mechanical objects (e. g., toy cars) apart and putting them back together is for boys” while “playing house and dress-up with dolls is for girls.” As a result, any latent interest or ability is not nurtured to its fullest.
2 thoughts: every society that has implemented 2nd wave feminism has prospered (why some of the 3rd world countries that haven't are trying so hard to do it). 2nd... Of those societies that have become more egalitarian we've seen a larger gulf between typically gender oriented careers, the direct opposite of what is expected. With exceptions people still select across biologically predicted lines. And when I look out across nature I see the same traits.
It's well known that in the silicone valley there is an incentive to hire women currently for political reasons or to appear as virtuous companies. It's literally everywhere.For example:https://www.apple.com/diversity/https://diversity.google/They even have Vice Presidents of Diversity at those companies. They are doing this to appear positive to the public, but this undermines the free market or who the best candidates are. It appears to be compassionate on the surface, but is actually hiring people according to their race or sex to meet defacto quotas which I find it to actually be discriminatory.
No one really knows what decision would happen if neither sex had social pressures. There are some studies showing babies tend to prefer their typical toys though. Do friends of those kids with different preferences sometimes change their opinions to fit in? Yeah probably. I don’t see how we really change that though. Like I said though, tech companies current solution seems to be to try to give women and minorities (minus Asian men that are heavily represented) an advantage. Is that right? Well I personally think those companies do it because they would rather sacrifice talent in order to appeal to current social positions.Also men have consistently on average scored better on math on SAT scores for half a centurywww.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/satnew.pngI’m waiting for a rationalization by what ever social justice group to refute that.
@quirf Yeah I'm not sure why they are so obsessed with equal participation in certain fields. Maybe women naturally prefer certain industries. Regardless, I think it is pretty impossible to be able to create a society where we don't have influence, minus having individual islands for everyone to grow on lol. Also why don't these people care about where men are underrepresented? Why have I never heard about how repulsive it is for men to have many times lower child custody rates after divorce? Seems politically biased to me.
I don't doubt that these seemingly altruistic campaigns and recruits are less than altruistically-oriented. Politics is, after all, where greed wears the mask of morality. 🙄I rationalize that by refering you to my previous statement about latent interests and abilities not being equally nurtured. I'm not coming at this from a social justice perspective, though. Truthfully, I don't particularly care about the gender distribution in any given academic field. I just want to see more scientists. That's my "agenda" here.
One way to accomplish that is by bringing more women into these fields. However, if we start pushing and prodding for women to go in, it might achieve that goal, but it might cause an exodus of men in return, taking us back to square one. That's why I think eliminating as much social pressure as possible (i. e., blank-slating) is the way to go. Obviously, we'll never live in a world that is free of social pressure, and as long as we have two distinct sexes, we'll have distinct social tendencies.
Nice talking to you Quintessence
how about yes, woman are more like men, and let's forget the before christ shit here and talk about the last 200 years. Feminism is an agenda carried out by the state on it's citizens for many purposes the main ones being double tax revenue and increasing single motherhood which makes children grow up viewing the state as their father. Women being more like men is bad and vice versa, it's very, very bad. Woman having negative rights is good, but positive rights are always bad, no matter which gender gets them. Before you say something stupid look up the legal definitions of positive and negative rights, I sense you will just react emotionally to those statements and take them at face value. Women go to college during their most fertile years and have kids at 35 after riding the cock carousal for a couple of decades and NO man in his right mind wants the used up single mom. We need a return to traditionalism, where woman are more womanly and want to have kids first THEN do othershit
@Goochbreaker PART ONE: Negative being they permit or oblige inaction and positive being they oblige action? I fail to see your point here but okay. Positive also can create a moral or ethical mess. But given Locke's standpoint, you can't deny the whole "life, liberty and pursuit of property (or happiness)". Most debaters are familiar with this terminology so not that difficult to construe. Double tax revenue by supporting feminism? How is this bad? Women keep their wages, great! The government gets more money to (hopefully) spend on health, infrastructure and education. So, just in case you haven't heard, the planet titled Earth is overpopulated to a point we can't sustain the amount of resources we go through. Mainly it's third world countries with a lower standing in education that make up such vast majorities of our population. The continent of Europe however is experiencing high infertility rates. This doesn't vary for age groups, it's just a known fact.
@Goochbreaker PART TWO: The "cock carousel" is such a brilliant alliteration oh my word. But before we do that, can I just stop and ask you how socially acceptable it is for men to engage in frivolous sexual activity versus women? You are providing such a blatant example of our unfair social contract. If you're going to call a woman a whore for sleeping around you better do the same for a man. So no man wants to date a woman who already has a kid pretty much? Okay, well newsflash. No woman wants to date a man who is the cause of another woman's single parenthood. In fact, I would say it shows more of the man's irresponsibility than the woman. The woman at least suffers repurcussions, and while the men MIGHT have to pay child support, there's around 30% who ditch it all together. But sure I guess, keep trolling.
@Goochbreaker PART THREE:"What will you do about your kids?" "How will you keep up with the house?""You're such a bad mother!"That is the kind of crap women get when they have kids and try to so much as return to their jobs. BUT If you want to go real traditionalist, why don't we just go back to arranged marriages? Or even better! Make marital rape legal again, heaven forbid a positive right is introduced! Also, if after ten years of searching around for someone they can agree to marrying we have such high divorce rates, there is no way in hell that they won't sky rocket as soon as this "traditionalist" view is introduced. "Women are womanly" I'm so dead by this statement.So I'm going to assume you meant stereotypically feminine going along with our constructed first world social contract because womanly implies a woman's features and qualities. Know what those qualities are? Having a vagina. Congrats, all woman are womanly.
lol I have to stop you right at your first comment because I never said I wouldn't call a man a whore and if you knew me irl you'd know I DO CALL MEN WHORES and don't call women whores because it's not socially acceptable to do the latter.
I know a woman who's in an arranged marriage and do you want to know something interesting? It's the only healthy relationship I know of, the kids are well taken care of, stable family, they aren't even particularly talented they are just two good people and were a wise match, their parents did well. I don't argue for arranged marriage but if other cultures wanna do that I can certainly see the wisdom in it.
having a vagina does make you a woman but it does not make you womanly. Don't get technical and break apart a word that already has a meaning since before your stupid sjw propaganda even existed lol
All societies that embraced femininity have prospered. But that's 2nd wave. Current 4th wave feminism has a different agenda. If they can push 32 or 61 sexual pronouns, why not different name for the different waves? You got some splainin to do Lucy.
" The "cock carousel" is such a brilliant alliteration oh my word. But before we do that, can I just stop and ask you how socially acceptable it is for men to engage in frivolous sexual activity versus women?"Lmao 😂😂😂.I always laugh when i hear tit for tat statements like this.Women riding the "cock carousal" , funny as it seems, is a real thing.Not all women do it, but many do. Well, if you have young women in their prime , child bearing age, together with a bunch of studs (as well as even more nerds, but nerds aren't part of the cock carousel)Then its omly natural that sex occurs. But due to contraception, and other priorities, women dont have kids. So no kids + still in reproductibe prime = more sex.Who benefits? The studs of course. They get a lot of pussy in the right environment.Ill tell you tough, neither stud nor nerd wants a post-"cock carousal" woman.Its just how we are.However, unlike you said, most women dont share that sentiment. So its basically your own
Fault. Women dont always turn down the studs for the nerds, just because they fucked a bunch of women before.I mean maybe some do.But if we are comparing men vs women, its as if women dont really give af.Im fact, a lot actually still prefer studs.So, if you want guys to stop from f*cking around, its your job to curb it. You aren't doing it.Were not gonna tell each other "hey, you, you are being a manwh*re! Quit it!"We dont care. We're not f*cking each other.We tell this to women so you know, f*cking around makes you undesirable to us.So now you know. Your turn.Women dont tell guys that f*cking around is undesirable to them. And using it as a counter argument when we say it to women doesn't count.You have to say it naturally. Like you mean it.If any guy wants to have a family with a good woman one day, knows that a good woman wouldn't take him if he was a slut, then he wouldn't f*ck around. But since thats not the case, most guys dont care.
Exactly right Dana as always.
Very right, just as most women like a manly, man well most of us guys like a woman that is feminine in every way. I say have your careers if you want but don't let the raising of our children suffer from it and for God sake please ladies stop fist fighting like dudes it's no attractive at all... lol
@Jay1973 Women will stop having kids all together if that is your attitude. And with the assault on women, we must know how to fight. We must be trained to kill if we have to. There's no sense in expecting men to protect us all the time. So what if it's not attractive to you. Like that means something important? Good grief.
I agree but even when it comes to rights women have more. Look no further than divorce laws and family courts.
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That's very well put. You know I think as a society our children have actually been for a lack of better words almost damaged under the so called new family dynamic that we have forcefully created. I believe fully that there are certain emotional needs that our kids have that only a mom can nurture and develop I also believe there are certain strengths that only a dad can nurture. I think the proof is in newspapers across the country when we read of kids murdering, raping, strung out on heroin or any other of many horrible things that seem to be the norm now. So I think that traditional roles have a purpose in nature and we are seeing what a forced change in that has created and it very disturbing. That being said I'm all for equal rights as long as the impact on the raising of our children doesn't suffer and it seems as though it has...
100% agree Jay and Cuteusernamehere
A lot of that problem is parents don't have time to nurture and properly raise their children anymore. It's sad and pretty selfish on our part to even bring children into this situation. It's becoming increasingly harder to live on one income now forcing new mothers to turn their infants over to over crowded institution like facilities to raise them while we work. We can't expect children to turn out like the previous generations if they lack that individual attention and bonding with parents for most of their waking hours. I've been fortunate that I've always worked opposite hours as my husband and had 12 hour or double shifts available to me so I only work 2-3 days a week.
hit the nail right in the head
Love your answer
@RicanEyes Glad another woman actually agrees too :) lol
Yes women need to act lady like.. Lol :-)
Honestly, I think it's only fair if men and women have the same opportunities, but maybe it could be healthier if they hadn't. With more workforce available (and rivaling for job opportunities) the employer will pay less per person. Once ago people tried to find together, and stayed together, and everyone had to do their part. Nowadays people are single, fuck around, stay single, marry, divorce, are in patchwork families... Women still do most of the work in the household, and complain rightfully about it after a full-time job. But it's more work all together if both have a job AND the household still has to be done.
@Sucram I agree with some points but it's give and take. One gender cannot just give, while another has all the freedom and opportunities. A couple or family has to find the middle medium that works for them and the onus must be on both parties. I think the reality that you speak of with single people who want to be promiscuous is another can of worms and a separate issue. This has to do with changing values. People's values and perspectives and morals has changed. It is now simply more "acceptable" to be promiscuous and we live in a culture where it's OK to just sleep around. But there are people, including myself, who see through this and do not engage in such behaviors. There will always be people who are faithful, take marriage seriously and who don't want to sleep around or be single. I don't really believe these issues have anything to do with the jobs or women being able to have careers. That seems like a bit of a far fetched leap to me.
But you can still do that? Its just that women who want more are able to do what they want as well.
@Gypsy_x It is an important role for certain, but I doesn't need to be assigned to women necessarily. That's the social contract theory.Most women don't want to/dislike breastfeeding which is perfectly fine. The task of babysitting and staying at home can be interchangeable between men and women. But even so, most households can't afford such a luxurious lifestyle as having one member simply stay home and watch the children. Most require two working members to at least assure the children has something to meet. And with the extension of single mothers/fathers, and divorces, you quickly put the women at a disadvantaged position. Child support and alimony generally are either dodged or not required, both creating a toxic relationship of dependency from the women on the men.
@bat0209 maybe I'm misunderstanding, but are you saying that the traditional role of women is preferred, but impossible because of the drawbacks of society? My counterargument is that with equality and less stereotypical households, men are playing a more hands on father role, and developing better relationships with their children. Men are just as capable of child rearing, but historically they hve been treated as inept or incapable.
Yeah, I think women years and years ago weren’t like this at all. I think the natural gap between men and women has started to close and that has possibly made women more like men in many respects like what you’ve just labeled. I think certain brands of feminism have accounted for women being more like men as well.
Its a real turn off. Peace man.
all the men instantly flock to the one traditional women please girl tell your friends to be more like you and they can have happy relationships with more traditional guys instead of fuckboys
I do xx
I miss the good ol' days.
Sorry Volvagia, you’re definitely 100% sexy girly woman.
Maybe crazy tho 😅
Equal rights. However men and women aren't equal biologically and never will be. We're made differently. Men are designed to be stronger and more dominant. Women are designed to be more emotional and caring.
The question didn't ask whether men and women are the same. It asked whether women are more like men nowadays (compared to historically). The answer is an obvious yes, because women can now work, vote, use tools, create and invent. We are no longer bound to a domestic role.I completely agree that men and women are biologically and innately different in general (there are always exceptions). I personally embrace those differences. I love my femininity, as I do my partners masculinity. I just don't think we are or should be bound by any stereotypes or gendered roles.
Lol u depend on the state for everything. Thats not independent.
@Listening5 as usual, i have to wonder wtf you're talking about.
Lmao @listening5 chill dude. Her point is that women can be capable and independent like men. In this context then men rely on the state? Why u even bringing this up here? Out of context.
Hey J she's independent, she dont need a symp like u to speak for her. Nice try
@Listening5 Yeah, well I did ask wtf you were talking about myself. You chose not to respond...
Its a waste of my time
@Listening5 lmfao. What a fail.
Yeah but WHY are they? I think it has something to do with my question
Because they're all lying to themselves. "There's no difference between men and women!" Outright baseless lie with no facts to stand on. It's a feel good stance, not a practical or scientific one. "A woman can do anything a man can do!" Essentially the same thing as the former statement, only in an even more feel good way. There's a reason we send men to war and not women. "You don't need a man or kids to be happy!" But most women still want it, yet are staving off family and child bearing simply to satisfy the liberal harpies that bark at them every day to pursue their careers, even to the detriment of their own mental and emotional health. I could go on for days.
Yeah, I agree IronMan thanks for your response
You bet my friend
They probably don’t even get married in the first place. Marriage is so overrated
Monkey see monkey do. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. All wise sayings.
Also is he rich? 😛
It’s not about the rights but about certain shifts in behavior and attitudes like breaking away from tradition, having children later on in life, cursing more, viewing sex the same way as men, etc. I think all of these things could’ve been influenced by the need or urge to be more like men. I think that certain mediums have convinced many women that “if a man can do it, why can’t you” mentality is the right way to go and didn’t account for the biological and psychological differences between men and women.
Here's an idea: perhaps men and women aren't really that different. Maybe the fact that women are no longer repressed (as much) might be contributing to this "behavior".Get used to it.
No, I think it’s not about repression but indoctrination. I think a lot of various mediums in society are telling women that they are like men and can or should be like a man. It’s contributing to women’s unhappiness, because it’s not natural. Women are feminine and men are masculine and when you cross connect these you get a unnatural discrepancy. Why do you think women swear more today than their older counterparts? How about the fact that more mothers are CHOOSING to raise their children in single parent household because they don’t need a man? I think it’s unhealthy for society to say women and men are essentially the same, that’s FAR from the truth
Honestly I'm not even going to read that. The point is that, it's really none of your business what women do! Because you have no control over it.Let that sink in! (:
What do you mean by just finally getting some right? We have had rights since 1920 lol
You are finally getting some rights?And she keeps whining ! lol... as usual.
Less women wear dresses today than ever before.
How exactly are men turning into pussies? And if men are turning into pussies, could it be because of the behavior of women?
Have you seen them on here? All they do is bitch, moan, talk about their feelings and blame everything on the fact that they can't get girls. Y'all became effeminate so we had to step up ourselves. There's few real men left out there.
As well, you're a pussy by being responsive to womens behavior instead of taking the lead. If men want the traditional gender rolls they need to actually act like men instead of pouting and following behind women's skirt-tails and then whining about it.
The desperate ones who allow feminists to fuck with their masculinity !
@Super2nd Yeah brother
Well, maybe men are REACTING to women’s behavior. The shift by women to act like men and adopt a more masculine attitude might have prompted men to say “fuck it” and also change their views. Women today swear a lot more, view sex similar to men despite the differences in their psychology, lock horns with men in the work place, etc. I think certain brands of feminism have convinced women to basically adopt a more man-like mentality and I think THAT has accounted for many women feeling unsatisfied, unfulfilled, and unnatural.
@PoliceLivesMatter your points are clear and right ! but you know what i hate the most? Men who allows that to happen. men who accepts that. not the ones that are respecting the traditional man traits.
Men aren’t pussies. They don’t have to be traditional masculine to be real men.
You talk as if "being responsive" and "taking the lead" are mutually exclusive.
Many men are also turning into pussies because they're being raised by feminist mothers. They're being taught in schools by mostly feminist teachers and being raised around feminist minded girls who are against traditional gender roles and actually seem to encourage them to act more like girls, especially when it comes to talking about feelings and whatnot.
Well gee. When you put traditional gender roles as women being responsible for raising children in both the home and in school, that will happen.
@MzAsh Not without teaching those women that masculinity is toxic and that young boys should be treated as if they're defective girls.
Well if you don’t like the way things are, then convince your brothers to start helping out more at home and sign up for becoming a grade school teacher. Otherwise you’ll just have to deal with the way women want to shape the future.
@MzAsh That would be pointless, men with views like mine wouldn't last 5 minutes in teaching. And anyway, I care most about my own children so I focus on those. If other parents want to raise their sons to be princesses they can do what they like.
Great well at least we have an understanding.
How often do you LET a man take the lead, and of you've never had that happen, then why do you continue to date boys?
@DoctaMario Many women are just born to lead.
Then why feminists are crying for the wage gap?What is the inventions of women for the last 40 years? (exuding entertainment industry)Why there are few women in STEM fields?
It will take time but it’s happening
We will see...
@MzAsh Maybe. But I know a lot of women that prefer to let a man take the lead. It depends on the woman I guess.
Yeah I️ think there always will be some women who do. But also a lot who don’t. Im supportive of women doing whatever makes them happy.
I'd say that more often than not women prefer men to take the lead, in fact I've seen that question asked many times here and the result is always the same with the majority saying that they do.
@englisc Awesome, but I know damn well I'm not one of them.
@MzAsh So do I, lol.
No idea what you’re talking about, I’m on the mobile app so maybe that’s why.
There is still a description box.It’s this crazy little thing that says “explain your question”.That’s chance number 3 for you now.
Chance number 3? Why don’t you speak like a fucking human being instead of being stuck up and rude? I already wrote my question and so answer in that format however you like.
How was I rude 😂 this website is pretty idiot proof.Despite that, I still asked you to explain your question, so I was able to answer and you’ve failed to do so.To give you some help if your question (which is confusing you apparently), do you mean career wise, fiancially, family wise, education, home life, etc (that means anything else) by the way now I’m being rude. But, in my defence, you were being an idiot.
I knew what you were asking but you’re initial approach WAS indeed rude.
Your defence is “I can’t use my phone”.It isn’t “explain your question”
My initial response was “please expand” using the description box. Not really rude, just asking to utilise your tools. Sorry you found that so troublesome.
You were asking me to use a description box underneath my main question but I already wrote the question and don’t know how to update it on mobile. Maybe I can’t. You could’ve said from the beginning, “can you explain your question more in depth?” Instead of “use the description box,” or “chance number 3.” I don’t even know where chance number 3 came from...
Before you reply, you claimed your phone was the issue. So am i rude of can you not use your phone?
I think it was the “chance number 3” that was rude to me
Chance 1 the question box, chance 2, the reply, chance 3 your reply. You are so dedicated to fight me you didn’t bother to actually ask me your question.
I processed your initial approach as rude and not something that I would think anyone would respond with for clarification. Whether that was your intention, I will never know but I felt you were being rude. Either way, you could’ve just taken 2 seconds beforehand to browse at my responses and opinions on here and you’d find out how to answer...
If you want baby proof question“Please honey bear, could you expand in full what you mean so my question response can be super pool-proof pokes bear”*nuzzles* thanks honey bear. 😘
HoneyMonster I’ve replied now specially for you all cushy and bouncy proof now! Could you expand now purlease squishy muffin?
Now who’s being the iggly muffin bum squasher. Humph:
I said Nah.
But sometimes babies change their views when they are cosied up to you little cutie pie oogy boogy
Haha, I am imagining, what will be if women dominates men in sex
@ram753 sorta confused cause there are dominant men and women when it comes to sex? Or do you mean as a whole?
Omg, I thought only men are dominant in sex, by the way thanks for info
@ram753 you're welcome ^_^
Hey, I like to ask few questions privately, can u please send me message
@ram753 you can if you want
I am in level 1 , so I can't message u, I already sent the request accept it and send me message
@ram753 just ask it here
@ram753 I don't message people
Ok got it
It's about sharing my personal feelings.
@ram753 about someone or something?
@ram753 just make an anonymous question and I invite me to it and I'll give you advice
I've have thought that same thing that the men are becoming feminine and women are becoming manly almost and I don't know about you but it's disturbing you me. I want a woman that is a woman not one that can kick my ass lol!!! Just as most women want a man that is a protector not in need of protection.
@ram753 Whoa!!! That's a scary thought!!!
@Jay1973 What? Lol I don't want a man to protect me. I can protect myself. And I think every woman should know how to kick major ass, but she won't have to if you're good lol.
@MzAsh, what is major ass😉
Yes, even I too like happier womens
Multiple studies have revealed that women nowadays are much unhappier than they use to be.
Isn't it? What's the reason for it?
@HandsomeGuy500 I can't imagine why. I'd go crazy if I was stuck inside all day cleaning house and taking care of kids while my husband pays for everything and makes all the decisions.
You are 25 so I don’t think you have context for what it was before. My mother was very happy as a stay at home mom. My wife has had a great life as she was able to raise the children and basically donwhat she wanted while taking care of us and the house. She insisted thatbit be this way as she grew up with a working mother and was what was called a “latch key” kid. I actually wanted her to work so we could have a BMW but now I am very happy she didn’t as I look at my children vs the ones that had two parents working. Today many women are single moms though, working a job and yet still poor. I just read this week about a woman in sales who spent her whole life on her career but now at 48 she was let go. She seemed bitter. Life is more than work, for many it is family which is becoming more rare today. The 20 something men today in my family won’t marry and I asked them why and they said woman are different today. They still have sex but don’t want marriage.
Happiness for all women isn’t going to be the same thing. Some will be happy having a more traditional life but some won’t be. I️ know I’m happy being a writer, having no kids, a great man who isn’t afraid of a little cooking or house work, and a home by the beach.
You know why I'm angry? I'm angry because I studied the same period of years as guys, struggled to find a good job same as guys, cried through failures after failures, continued working hard to reach my ambitions. And then after all that, some guy can go, "you know, you could've been happier if you just stayed at home and become the perfect wife? And worse, all these work you're doing, they actually make you more undesirable among men." Maybe I don't give a shit. Cos maybe I don't live my life just to appease men, maybe I also live my life to make my parents happy, because they raised me for 25 years with the hope that I can make something out of myself, maybe I work so I can get enough money to ensure my siblings live well, maybe also so I can actually afford to travel across the world and eat amazing food and go sky diving, experiences that my parents never had the chance to do.
I am 25, but I too have a mother of the same generation as your mother. So I think your context for what it was before is as much to what I have, thank you. Oh wait, you're 100 hm. That's during the WWI isn't it? Then by comparison, Are you sure that there's not many single mothers of this time? Or maybe they were happier then compared to now?My brother and I was raised by two working parents. My dad cooked for me and tied my hair before I went to school. even til now, when I'm hungry I asked my dad to cook for me, not my mum. When my brother needed help with his job presentations, he called my mum first for advice. My parents shared the parental roles equally, does it make my family any less than yours? Just because the woman is working, doesn't mean that family values are weaker. Men should stop blaming women for not staying the way we used to be, change is inevitable, and instead think what you can do to adapt to these changes.
And lastly, you're saying that a single mother is working all the time and still poor, hence she's bitter and unhealthy? That work isn't everything? You know she is working for her children right? She HAS to work to feed her kids or else they die. Why does she have to suffer like that? because the Husband is Missing. Could it be that her husband left her, because 'women just aren't what they used to be'? Should've brought the kids along with him, shouldn't he? You're insinuating that women are less happy nowadays, because there are way more single mothers now, and that's because women don't stay at home as much and hence are worse at taking care of the family? Right. But if the single mother is with her kids and they're a family, who's missing from that family again? The husband right?Maybe before arguing that modern women are weakening the family unit, also think about the modern men's role in the issue too.
Women pick losers to have sex with and then end up alone with a kid, this then limits them in many ways including finding a husband as most don’t want a woman with baggage. Then they get mad that men won’t accept them longterm, only to screw. Perhaps the next generation of women will learn from this and be a bit smarter.
Then, men, stop being losers. Or losers, stop being selfish and abandoning your wives and kids. Or men, stop berating women for having high standards while you yourselves can't let go of the century-old high standards of 'pure and virgin, but loves sex, young and beautiful and smart but happy with only devoting her life to me, pops up many babies for me but maintain her slim figure at all times". Maybe, just STOP blaming women for everything that you see is wrong. Women will be smarter and men can learn to value another human being better. How bout that? *By men, I don't mean all men. @ram573, for example, sounds awesome.
I agree with handsomeguy, many studies have shown that women in the past were much happier than women today.And the reason is because back then women's job was to take care of the family, look after the kids and do what women did best.It was a wakeup call for me as well, but after witnessing a culture change, i can say without a doubt that women that are homemakers are still on average much less stressed and much more pleasant than working women. Working women, the older they get, seem to simply get more and more irritable, aggressive and just, damaged, for loss of a better word.I think stress is an important factor here, and i believe women live in an unnatural environment these days.So , you can continue doing that, you can prove yourself to men, other women, your parents, or yourself. But for what?Either way, i for one have made up my mind that i will marry a girl that stays at home. Well, those are my standards and i refuse to change with times 😁
I hope you are prepared to pay for all her wants and needs. That shit will not be cheap.
@MzAsh "I can't imagine why. I'd go crazy if I was stuck inside all day cleaning house and taking care of kids while my husband pays for everything and makes all the decisions."Well I've come across many women who prefer to be at home raising their children. It's only the miserable feminists that hate family values.
Maybe they don’t hate family values. Maybe they are just happier doing other things with their life?
@MzAsh Well that's where I call bullshit. What human being is happy staying single forever and being stuck in the workforce and dying lonely. You would have to be very sad and bitter to want that.
Well, for example, I have a man but we are very much on the same page about not wanting kids. I’m an involved aunt and that’s enough for me. I’m also a writer and fire dancer and I love every minute of it. We love traveling and we love our families but I’d never be happy with the average lifestyle. People don’t seem to understand that there are way more ways to live than two choices of being a stay at home mom and work slave. I love being neither.
@MzAsh And there are many women who do enjoy being at home raising children.
Sure, but my point is that it’s not for everyone and that shouldn’t be insulted.
@MzAsh And women who choose to be stay at home mums shouldn't be insulted either.
No they shouldn’t be, which is why I don’t.
@MzAsh lol , not the first time a girl told me, ok i can go that route, but i gotta pay!Well, yeah. I already know that
That’s good. I don’t think a lot of men understand how expensive being a woman can be.
@MzAsh well, im happy to take care of my woman.
What makes a man masculine in your opinion?
and what causes the emasculation of men? hmmmmm its start with the word F...
@Super2nd 1) Lack of strong, masculine, male role models2) The rise of single Motherhood - a woman can't teach a man how to be a man, especially not a feminist who believes in gender-neutrality, and neither can an already emasculated manThis is of course down to feminism and their teachings about "toxic masculinity".
@englisc Exactly !