- Of course, the more speech policing the better.
- Only if they are not Nazis
- No, get rid of all the hate speech laws.
- No, this is a step too far.
Should It Be Illegal To Call Someone A Nazi In The UK?
What Girls Said 6
I don't think the law should be concerned with name calling. That being said, our current laws about slander and defamation of character should enough to take care of instances of "hate speech."
Governing free speech will lead to a slippery slope that shouldn't be gone down. Yes, it may be limited hate speech today, but tomorrow may turn into people having others arrested just for not agreeing with them.
That would be ironic since the Nazis controlled speech back then. . .
If it is an unsubstantiated attack on the public image of a person or entity then yes, it should be illegal.
I don't know... why would you?
Call a nazi a nazi. It's not a slur and to suggest it is is farcical. Fascist beliefs should never be legitimised in any way because they endanger us all
What Guys Said 36
No just no
You keep asking the question in different ways. No right is absolute and context, manner and historical context applies.
Not being familiar with the situation, I cannot speak to the specifics. Other than to say that an investigation - particularly in the context of British speech laws which are not nearly as liberal as their American counterparts - is not an indictment of wrong doing.
If the purpose of calling the Member a Nazi was to provoke a riot between her supporters and her opponents, then particularly in the context of British law, an investigation is warranted. Start throwing around such accusations and in the right circumstances punches start to be thrown.
Free speech is good, but it is ironically not possible in those cases where it leads to violence. You are apt not to speak freely where doing so will get you clubbed over the head.
Free speech and civil peace are a function of each other and each is related to the other. Thus a balance is struck and each country and each culture strikes that balance - and if it is a democracy revisits its merits - persistently and across time.
Dogmas are fun because they spare people the torture of having to think. Without any context for judging the merits of the case - and while I am a fan of yours I am, in this case, suspicious of the way you framed the question and the explanation for it - it is not possible to come to a reasoned and prudent judgment.
Should it be illegal to call someone a Nazi in the UK? If it is a characterization of their political views, probably not. If it is slander, arguably it should be.
We judge these things case-by-case. Not in the absence of the particulars.
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The UK has different libel laws than the US in general.
Basically it would be totally legal to call someone a Nazi if they were a Nazi. But the onus is on you to show it.
This actually lead to one of the most fascinating trials in recent history where they had a year long court case on if the holocaust happened.
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It's imbecilic and immoral to try and put draconian laws on speech, and it does nothing but fuel the causes of these extremists, who can point to the suppressing society we live in. You have the right to believe what you will, even if it is objectively a stupid opinion, and you can call someone a Nazi, that doesn't make them one. Only weak people feel like speech needs to be suppressed, sticks and stones people.
Such a storm in a tea cup and completely ludicrous to think of banning the use of 'Nazi' as a term in the same way we have banned racial words. They are two completely different things, even though ironically it is/was Nazis who used racial expletives more than the rest of us anyway... !
We had to kick the Brit's asses because of government over reach.
As a result, we have Freedom of Speech. And guess what? Hate speech is free speech and protected under the constitution. People call POTUS DJT a Nazi every day. Where the hell would we jail all these delicate snowflakes? Don't bother lecturing me about the limits of our free speech. Calling somebody, Communist a Nazi or whatever isn't restricted.
"police are investigating whether or not calling someone a Nazi is criminal"
This is the point where you know the UK judicial system is a joke, but one that nobody laughs at.
Seriously, when even police doesn't know what does or does not constitute a hatecrime, you are in a serious trouble.
Obviously it shouldn't be illegal to call someone a nazi. The one being called one should have the right to sue the other person for slander and libel if they suffered significant setbacks from it (for example, being called a nazi, and Antifa thugs torching your house).
But it should under no circumstances be a crime. That's just stupid.
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I don't think it should be I disagree with the conceptual basis of hate speech legislation
The premise is flawed I find
Much as I vehemently dislike people making ill advised unfactual claims I do not their their right to do so should be compromised
No, not in my opinion. This issue revolves around controlling free speech and unless someone is slandering or libeling your name and falsely accusing you of being a Nazi to other people in that manner, then simply calling someone a “Nazi” as, let’s say, an insult, shouldn’t be illegal no matter how distasteful something like that is. Again, if someone is publishing works or articles using your name and falsely accusing you of being a Nazi and possibly making money off of it, that is different. I’m not a legal expert so I’m just going by my own knowledge.
If you ever set up a hate speech law, you have to also give the power of defining hate to a small set of individuals. It is authoritarianism at its worst
No. Speech shouldn't be restricted unless it calls for the death or physical harm of someone. Calling someone a Nazi shouldn't be illegal. Encouraging people to kill X with the excuse they're a Nazi, should be illegal.
Maybe, but only tempoary.
If they plan on keeping hate speech up they should include it to completely piss off the left. Then we can all fight for free speech together.
But fundamentally everyone should say what they want.
The question is what happened to freedom of speech, supposedly the modern era is a time when you can say anything you want but laws keep coming in that limit your speech.
What is used to be: Say anything you want
What it is now: Say anything you want - T&C's apply
I'm not agreeing with what is said but I'm just saying people should be free to say whatever. That's why I can't put it in yes or no since I don't agree with what is said but I don't agree with it not being allowed to be said
No because, what happens if you actually run into a Nazi and you can't call him one for fear of being arrested?
Absolutely not. It is highly important that people have the right to say anything that want. Anything whatsoever. The reason I believe this is that when people can say whatever they want, then everyone is allowed to be honest, stand up for what they believe in, and everyone has the right to expose their stupidity or vile, disgusting, vitriolic behaviour.
If calling people a nazi is to be outlawed then this is going to make it difficult to identify extremist liberals to then completely disregard everything they say and do. This is the thing, we need people to expose their vile stupidity by incorrectly accusing people of being nazis due to their own lack of understanding of what a nazi is, so that we know not to take anything those people say or do seriously.
This is the thing, the right to free speech is a great asset to help everyone to be able to form their own opinions about people, to help people to identify the idiots.
If you state it as a fact that someone is of that political affiliation, then yes it's liable and should be illegal. If you're expressing it as an opinion then it's your freedom of expression.
What? That’s fuckin insane. How do you combat a fascist ideology if you can’t make parallels to how that framework was applied in past regimes? I understand that the word ‘Nazi’ is perhaps the most abused word in terms of people just calling others that whenever they dislike what they have to say. But even so, what business of it is the government to punish people for using a smear? If I lived in a country where that was law I would call the people who passed it Nazi’s to their faces just so they’d have to arrest me for making a mouth sound they didn’t like. That kind of law is the antithesis of the kind of liberty which people who fought the Nazi’s were pursuing back in the day.
People should have the right to insult someone that deserves it
Yeah I have had people call me a fascist, it is insulting. Tolerating people these days is hard work.
Hate speech laws are there to protect miniority. But to say you can and can't say is just being a nanny state.
the media loved that story didn't they? what i thought was ironic was the right wing guys hassling suobery were the very definition of neo nazis whilst she is so far to the left of the tories she should join corbyns lot. it does go to show one thing though and that is that democrasy is broken to the point where the yellow vest movement may soon become united in communism because its the nearest thing to both extremes. as for calling someone a nazi thats fine but if you saw the footage of those several big burghly men crowding one single female and abusing her verbally in a threatening way then thats not right is it?
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Yes! All the SJWs would instantly be arrested and sanity can return.
Regulate EVERYTHING! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It'll be the new N word.
Nope l speak my mind
What if I'm a nazi for real?
no, if someone is a nazi, call them a nazi
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