What the hell is the reason behind this growing Anti-Science and Anti-Stem attitude in Marxism and Sociology?

  • Automation is going to totally redefine and possibly invalidate Marxist Class Theory
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  • The internet of things is going to expand wealth and empower the 'worker' class and render all the failed artists and "intellectuals" in modern universities less academic authority
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  • They're assholes who hate objectivity and go into a rage whenever they're proven wrong or have to change their outlook
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  • I would say marxists are probably pretty pro science and if anything are overly optimistic about a technocratic version of socialism working better than older attempts.

    Certain Marxist influenced sociologists in other fields attempt to take the Marxist class model then replace it with whatever their agenda is and not test it at all. So I’d say some of them are less pro science.

    As for STEM most leftist approaches would need a lot of science. I suspect friction with stem is that the stem fields produce lots of people who are happy with capitalism and don’t see themselves as downtrodden laborers in solidarity with their fellow revolutionaries.

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  • isn't it late stage capitalism mainly refuting the science of climate change at the moment so they can drain the very last bit before the planet dies. as for marxism, the world has changed somewhat in the last 200 years so any progressive marxist/socialist is to me more open to uni at the moment... something the corporations of the right seem to refute as an option but only because it will cost them. we are not the luddites you suggest and i would like to here options from the right as to where we go when automation means none of us have a job to go to

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    • late stage capitalism? Dude the truth behind climate change is different than what either the left or right is saying. The right says it doesn't exist and the left thinks cow farts and dairy cause it. The reality, what MOST SCIENTISTS THAT BOTH SIDES IGNORE say is that climate change is a natural cycle but that during THIS cycle human's are accelerating the change. Neither side wants to hear that.

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    • You're not making sense. There is a percentage that's natural and a percentage that human's have caused. We need to determine what we have done wrong to the environment so we can STOP IT, and let the processes that are natural play out.

    • we know what we have done wrong... the time to act is now just as it was in 1980 when we all knew what was going to happen. economics drive the result and here in Europe we have shown that a relliance on coal isn't the only answer to cheap electricity if we invest in renewables... i may not be making sense to you but if thats the case its not my fault you haven't given 40 years of research a fair read and you still insist on not responding to my question on what we do when tech and automation takes over.. just take a moment to google ubi if you dont lnow what im talking about. its maybe not the answer but it tends to be the left that are looking into it as a possibility, thats why i want to hear suggestions from the right

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  • There isn't one. Right wingers are just having a tantrum because science is progressing and their biases are being challenged and disproved lol

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    • Except for when their biases are proven to be legitimate survival mechanisms.

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    • Really so your saying that it's the republican supporters who are wandering around wearing black shirts and masks and beating people up for saying something they don't like or doesn't match with their "facts" facts such as gender and sex aren't the same thing even though the very definition of the two words when applied to a person are exactly the same thing, or the fact that a guaranteed income is the best for everyone even though Finland just finished a two year study into that and found it made things worse even though ocasia Cortez has been proven to be the dumbest fuckwit on the face of this earth who's less capable with a calculator than the UK's Diane Abbott the democrats still hold her as the future. Or are we going to talk about the republicans who burned a man's limo and put him out of business because he was driving a wealthy guy around and they didn't like it, oh yeah that was democrat supporters. Sorry but you're degree is clearly an education in professional unemployment.

    • OP: true that. Everyone in the United States is a Capitalist. When we speak of Socialism, it usually just means "anything that involves taxes".

      @akihon Well... since you put it that way, no Republicans aren't the ones saying/doing those things. I'm not familiar with the case of the limousine burning but I can assure you, biological sex and gender aren't the same thing in science. I'm not real sure where you heard that Democrats want a guaranteed income for everybody, because that's not a thing.

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  • Mm both A and B seem pretty good. C is a possibility of course, but there's still got to be some reason for the rage. I think it's got a lot to do with the oppression v oppressed peoples. Scientists tend to be really quite successful and competent, that makes them oppressors if they disagree or point out "non-acceptable" science like in the gender wage gap discussion.

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  • I would say the old school sociologists are very much in favour of science, you see a guy like Durkheim and he is very influenced by the positivists, and he tries to make sociology, which at the time was taking roots, the most scientific he can

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  • Not really sure where you got this idea. My experience has been that there is a very solid pro-science sentiment on the Left and among Sociologists.

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  • That's what happens when woman and week men take positions of power.

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  • What the hell are you even talking about?

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  • There is nothing wrong with skepticism.

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  • I'm only "anti-science" when I see it blatantly being used for political reasons instead of, you know, actual scientific things. Politics don't belong in the sciences.

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    • That's a pretty common argument, but sometimes science leads us to inevitably political conclusions.

      Just imagine that you are a climate scientist, and imagine that you study climate research full time. You read conclusive, comprehensive studies over and over that indicate that the climate isn't really changing very fast, that it can't possibly be caused by human activity, and that no one is getting sick as a result of pollution.

      Your own research and an absolute MOUNTAIN of real, peer-reviewed articles prove conclusively and without doubt to your well-educated and climate-aware mind that human caused climate change isn't real.

      Imagine that this happened, and that non-the-less, liberal news media consistently cherry-picked data and brought in talking heads from only loosely related fields who were either paid to give false assessments or conditioned to support an anti-science agenda.

      These pseudo-scientific efforts have led to economically crippling policies and real permanent damage done to wholesome industries. Popular opinion remains split on the issue even though the science is clear.

      You know the truth backwards and forwards.

      Do you advocate for your position, or just pretend that science and politics shouldn't mix?

      Now that's obviously a fantasy world. The reality is the exact opposite, and it baffles me that conservatives try to hide behind "science shouldn't be political." I agree that politics shouldn't inform science research and policy. But science absolutely should inform politics.

      After all, science is just a word we use to name the best method ever invented for arriving at the truth when it's in doubt. That seems like a tool our government and it's electorate shouldn't ignore.

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