Have an opinion?
Yes, men should have a vote. In part, because there is no general principle by which you could separate votes by gender or any other sub-category. In part, because the social and cultural implications of any particular law or group of laws have consequences for both men and women.In terms of the former, if the question of abortion is to be limited to women, then in principle there can be no objection to separating out the enactment or repeal of all laws based on their narrow effect. Thus, African-Americans alone could vote on laws affecting them. Thus, men would have a monopoly on voting on laws that impact only them, and so on. In the end, this becomes infinite regress. Not to mention the practical difficulties involved in ferreting out which laws effect only or predominantly which groups. It being even further problematic in that it then becomes a matter of determining who determines which laws impact which groups.It is both unmanageable as a practical matter and is deeply anti-democratic. The obvious - and historically based - inverse of the principle being Jim Crow. Democracy is rooted in the idea - beyond the natural rights of all men and women being equal and not peculiar to them as men and women distinctly - that all members of the community with the rational capacity to render judgment should have a say in the constituting of that community. Separate that out and the splintering effects on social cohesion are readily apparent, not to say self-evident. From there it is not difficult to imagine a whole defined by separate but equal laws. That last phrase having a certain historic resonance.Beyond that, the idea falters on the notion that the effects of abortion are peculiar to women. Yet whatever position a society has on abortion, the causes and effects of that position resonate throughout the culture.Abortion on demand/pro-choice position is predicated on the notion that the value of life is indeterminate and therefore its dispensation is reserved to individual judgment. In that connection that freedom is an end in itself rather than a means to an end.The pro-life position is rooted in the idea that the value of life is absolute and that it has inherent rights. That, in turn, then suggesting that the society is right to make collective judgments on - and extend legal protections to - life across the spectrum of its existence.Whatever position the individual takes, the resolution of these questions has profound collective implications. The community shapes the laws and the laws then shape the community. Either way, the community as a whole, regardless of gender or other sub-categories that live within it, is impacted by such laws. To then shape the community as whole while excluding the votes of any proportion of the community who lives within it is, as noted, anti-democratic at the very least, and also more importantly will set the stage for a society where the values of society are determined not on the basis of justice and virtue, but power and force.As Burke put it, “The case for universal suffrage and political equality does not rest on any superstition that all men, by acquiring the vote, will become equally wise or equally intelligent. It rests, both historically and philosophically, on the belief that if any section of the community is deprived of the ability to vote, then its interests are liable to be neglected and a nexus of grievances is likely to be created which will fester in the body politic.” It is that last point that particularly and definitively makes the idea of limiting the vote on certain issues to certain groups profoundly unwise.
Abortions aren't desirable. Few woman take them lightly. But it's a woman's body so it's her decision, and that decision is usually gut wrenching.I will say that women who have cereal abortions (like more than one or two) should be required to get a birth control shot or implant and to renew it when needed, upon pain of imprisonment. It would be like being on probation and having to check in regularly. Or they can choose to get their tubes tied. This should not apply to cases when the choice to abort is based on a confirmed abnormality in the fetus.Aside from rape, I can only think of two reasons why a woman would get pregnant accidentally. One would be pure ignorance, as in not even knowing how woman get pregnant. The second would be lack of access to birth control. Actually, a third reason would be an unpreventable failure of a birth control device. I honestly believe that it is a woman's responsibility to protect against pregnancy. After all, she is the one who can get pregnant. So, she can insist that her partner wear a condom. But she also has many other options, including the pill, contraceptive implant, shot, IUD, diaphragm, cervical cap, vaginal ring, and more. - Pro-lifers imagine every aborted fetus as a tiny, perfectly formed baby being torn apart bit by bit. All they can picture are the late-term abortion narratives that pro-life organizations love to circulate as examples of abortion. - Probably 100% of pro-life Americans are Bible thumpers.- A large number of pro-lifers are opposed to family planning and access to contraception.- They have no use for women other than to be baby making machines.- If they force a woman to go full term and deliver a baby, they will be the first ones to cover her with derision if she doesn't have the ability to care for it. It will all be her fault. At that point, they won't care of the mother or baby live or die because they don't want their tax dollars to pay for what they consider to be parasites. In other words, they pretend to care about life, but they don't give one shit about living human beings.
In context of situation yes otherwise no.No because it’s her body and autonomy. It takes two for a baby to be conceived and if the host is the mother nurturing its life in uterine, then its decision is hers to make.Sterilization can occur in vitro in lab dishes or in vivo the placenta of its biological mother or surrogate. yes even surrogates have a say in the matter.However to be able to replicate a fusion of sperm and ovary in lab scenario, in the case of most sterilization procedures, we must understand that it’s devoid of emotional attachment until only after it’s planted and given intrauterine support. That would carry it to birth.Essentially what I mean is it’s that easy for us to assume equality of legal decisions on who gets a day in whether abortion be carried out or not. However we have to consider who is investing all resources bodily or making use correctly of financial resources and of good health to give birth to a healthy baby.That would be the mother and her social status, culture, people in her life like family, her relationship with the biological father and career prospects if she did give birth vs her decision to terminate.Many social factors need to be considered not just rights.There are some mothers and fathers who legally abuse their rights, some who are unfit themselves and of their situation.So ultimately the hosting parent ought to have more weightage on their decision to carry to birth or terminate a pregnancy.Let’s not forget pregnancies that cause co mortality to either baby or mother. Firstly that if it is carried to term. Most are miscarried.
Thankyou for the MHO
Oh Hell Noooo!! No Man should be able to tell any woman what to do with her body!!! If men don't want Abortion then they better be prepared to sign some more Laws such as Mandatory Financial Support including Pre-Natal Care all the way through until child is 25 years of Age!!! For those who are going to shout Entrapment, these men aren't being Raped they are 100% Willing to stick that pen in the inkwell!!! Want to be certain Rubber is in tact Buy your Rubbers put it on yourself, but noooo you like us women putting it on... Take Male BC. Or just have Oral or Manuel Sex, msny ways not to get trapped just not what you want!!! So next time tjink about what you want more to make a monthly payment for 18+ years or your Desires Fully Satisfied Immediately!!! And women think do want to listen to his Ass Whine every month and listen to him make your child regret being born or a Few Seconds of Satisfaction!!! Honestly the men that are talking about getting trapped one are NOT Men and two you don't being the Paternal Figure to your Child!!! Their the ones that Fuck up Children who ask Mom want didn t Abort me?
You just went down the typical sensationalist worsw case scenario scene. Of course a male partner should have a say. Its not his fault he doesn't have a utereus ffs. Plus the topic of abortion although not physical is mentally harrowing too. 99.99% of men DO care and have empathy in this area and im fucking one of them!!! Christ i hate sensationalistic viewpoints as an argument point. I bet the asker was being generalistic and not focusing on indavidual circumstances.
im not even mad, this woman is funny af 😂
people can go and have sex, but they should be mature enough to realise the implications of unsafe sex. Morever if a baby does pop out, abortion is not the way to shirk responsibilities, you can't take a new life. Both parents should share the load of raising the child, even if it means the man just pays financial support. The only problem with this system is in the instance where the man takes the child im but the woman doesn't need to pay financial support. Moreover, male BC is still undergoing small scale clinical trials that can't determine whether it will have long term implications on health (esp cholesterol) , although certified safe already. Also large scale studies have yet to be implemented to securely establish the reliability of the new male BC. Thus, male BC won't be readily available that soon.
jeremythedrummer, Millions of women pay Child Support as wel as Spousal Support. I have several female friends a couple who had to be Court Ordered to pay Child Support and Alimony.
The issue is should both sexes be allowed to VOTE, not about whiny men who complain about entrapment. If an issue affects an entire nation, and abortion DOES affect the nation economically and socially, then the entire citizenry of that nation should have a say in it. How do you propose to exclude men from the vote without directly violating the 19th Amendment? Are you going to try to repeal it? Repeal all of it? Repeal some of it?
I don't know man. The law where i come from is biased. Only men pay child support, spousal support and alimonies. Or rather, law dictates that in any case, even when the woman is at fault, the man pays.
jeremythedrummer, in the USA whichever parent has custody of the child receives Child Support from the other parent if that other parent has income. I even have a cousin on Welfare and they take $50.00 from that a month for her kids and nit a lot but she only receives $350.00 a month. In cases of divorce whoever makes more pays Alimony unless the other party acted egregiously (Abuser).
frost252, thank you for the MHO.
Yes, because while abortion mostly impacts women and it is their body, men are still a part of the process and from a moral perspective, this is their society too.
When has the general population voted on the subject of abortion? These are matters voted on by state legislatures and considered by courts. Are you suggesting that male legislators and male judges should not make decisions about abortion?
I believe they should get a say. But most women think otherwise apparently.
In a democracy, yes.
No wtf. You can't force her
@shinka1y234 The question was if men should vote, not on what the verdict should be.
@shinka1y234 plenty of men are pro-choice. In a democracy, technically everyone should have the right to vote on everything. Women also get to vote on things that affect men.
Oh ok thanks
Also... and bear with me here... there's no reason why men shouldn't be allowed to get abortions too. There's no reason why the law as written, whether for or against, needs to be sex specific. Just another reason why the voting shouldn't be.
It's astonishing to me this gets 12 downvotes as of the time I'm writing this. I guess people just don't like democracies.
@Bluemax considering that 10 out of those 12 votes are women, I'm guessing it's a knee-jerk response from women who are scared of having their rights taken away, not realizing that there are men who would also vote in favor of legalizing abortions/keeping them legal.
Not a chance in hell.I've seen a number of answers that amount to "in a democracy, yes."That's an example of what the founding fathers wanted to avoid (and I only reference them as a middle finger to the assholes who use them to justify insanity). The tyranny of the majority is a very real thing.I fully support democracy. There has never been a better system, and at this point I doubt there ever will be.Democracy isn't perfect. Sexism and racism exist because of democracy.As a man (well, teenage male, but that counts), I can't understand the idea behind "men have a say over this because of democracy." Women have suffered through *hell* because they didn't have power over the majority. Do NOT let that happen to you again.This is not a self-hating "men are evil," it's an acknowledgement that all people will always seek what's best for themselves, often at the expense of others. Racism came about because of economic incentives. Sexism came about because it made men's lives easier.The majority don't have the right to vote on an issue that only affects the minority. The fact that we're in a democracy doesn't mean that popular vote can decide what I put into my body (thankfully. If those health nuts had their way my diet of "eh, cheese pretzel won't kill me" would be criminal :( ) so why it should have the ability to control what comes out of yours?Think long and carefully about giving that kind of power to anyone, let alone everyone.
As a guy, I want to stay away from abortion laws because I don't feel as a male I should get that right, it's a woman's body. In Islam for example, women are allowed to have abortions only if the baby has not developed by a certain stage. But I will say this, as a guy, sex just isn't about pleasure, a guy should use protection and a female should be on the pill if you truly don't want to bring live into this world. If men and women take this approach why would abortion laws really be needed? Now I understand if God provide a woman gets raped and she has a child then she should get an abortion because that was unwanted, that was forced. It's a touchy subject and I'm trying to tread this question the right way where I'm trying to be on the side of women but also give my input as a guy. If someone asked me to vote on an abortion law, I would just walk away I can't vote. Although I am pro-religion, pro-God I also care about the well being of women. However, if a girl is having unprotected sex left, right and centre with many guys throughout her life and she keeps getting abortions... Then that's fucked up. I admit as a guy I will have my horny urges but I'm not going to act on my urges all the time and if I do have sex, I will have condoms on me.
meant to say God forbid* not God provide.
Men should have a say. But hopefully men vote for freedom not government control of human action. But nobody is into that these days. We don’t like freedom anymore. We all want the government to control those other guys we don’t like. Fuck all y’all. Left or right, you’re all sick fucks who believe society should be controlled with guns. Gay marriage? Nope, stop that. Don’t understand all the trans crap? Too bad, pay a fine for misgendering. Fuck you. The only way for us humans to be moral is for us to be free.
if you say no you’re actually stupid. it’s a free country and we all have the right to vote at a certain age. it takes 2 to make a child and once someone else’s kid is in your body it’s not your decision alone. being the opposite gender shouldn’t silence your opinion.
You are stupid one. WOMEN CARRY IT 9 MONTHS NOT THE MEN. You can't force her
less than 1% of the time abortions are due to rap. so the rest of the time the woman chosen to risk becoming pregnant. it takes 2 to do the deed so both are responsible so both should have a say in the matter. i couldn’t give 2 shits if the woman carried the child for years. it’s the guys kid too. and men should have a say because without them women wouldn’t be able to have children
rape* lol rap
It IS HER BODY
Can i kill you then. If people can have a say on other peoples bodies, i want to have a say on other peoples bodies too.
at this point it’s not just about her body. it’s about the child. you just gonna kill a kid? let me ask you this, do you have any idea how hard a miscarriage is for the parents? divorces happen, depression happens. what kind of monster do you have to be to want to kill your own kid out of convenience? men should have a say no question. they shouldn’t be silenced because they’re a different gender. it’s not about the woman and women need to stop being so selfish and actually think about others for a change
Men can have an opinion. Women also should not have a say in male circumcision. And i am also against alimony that men have to pay, military service that only men have to do etc. For me a man should not even pay a child support, if he does not want
a man should pay child support. it’s his fucking kid and he’s responsible for it. and both the parents should have a say in circumcision. the male can’t make that decision for both of them. it’s their kid
@shinka1y234 Men carry women and women carry men for their entire fucking lives, you dope. Those are called families. We're actually the same species and designed to work as a team. I know they don't teach you that in women's studies. But it's true.
If a woman has the right to terminate her pregnancy, then a man should have the right to terminate his fatherhood as well, and that means he should not be held responsible for child support. Call it a "Paternal abortion."
I agree with you. Men should not pay any child support, if he does not want.
But in return, women should have the right on their body
Yes guys should have a say in it.Sorry it takes 2 people guy and girl to get pregnant.And for all the people who say "No, i don't think men should have any control over what women want to do with their bodies"Then you should be 100% against men paying child support.If it's her body, then why are they getting money from it Again I'm not religious but I think killing babies is wrong. Just watch a video of baby's getting aborted. The put this (like really small scissors thing) in side and cut off the arms and legs then pull them out, then cut off the head. Pull it and the body out. Really really gross
I think the UK debated on giving men an option for a financial abortion so the man can leave the woman and not be the responsible for any future payments even if she has the child. The concern was that it may cause women to lean towards an abortion if they know the guy will bail losing all financial support to raise the baby. I am libertarian on abortion issues, and like that in theory being fair, i just fear it will lead to more irresponsible pregnancies/more abortions.
Exactly. Why do guys pay child support if they don't even have a vote on abortion
I think in order for to settle this whole debate, there needs to be a way To safely transfer a baby into something or someone so that it can thrive when a woman says “I don’t want to be pregnant”. That way everyone wins. The women who want and/or support abortion won’t have to deal with any children or 9 month pregnancies and the men who feel like being dads won’t even have to consider the person who got pregnant in the first place.That solution should be first priority... then this whole argument wouldn’t have to be a big deal at all. But until then... I see no reason as to why men should have a say when they aren’t the ones who have go through the process of having a child.If men get to have a say about abortion in all cases, then it should be women who get to legally decide whether they want financial support from men or not.
That would be a wonderful idea but I don't know if it will ever be possible. The human being attaches him/herself to the lining of the uterus so the mother's uterus would have to be removed. But we never know what science/medicine will accomplish in the future! 👶
Too many women still wouldn't want that because it'll take away their power. That's what abortion is really about, who has power over whom.Women will never give up newly acquired power. It's why alimony isn't a big topic, it's why Jeff Bezos lost billions and women didn't bat an eye, it's why Mrs. Curry could disrespect her husband on T. V in front of millions and got 60% of women backing her immediately, it's why if a woman jumps in bed with a serial abuser no one can say "You knew what you were getting into", and why women can do horrific things (like assault, rape, and vandalizing) and get off with a warning, small fine or laughs. Women don't like discussing the option of losing options.
Pregnancies don't just happen. If you don't want to be pregnant, then there's a number of things you can do to avoid that. YOUR.👏 STATUS.👏 AS. 👏 FEMALE.👏 DOES. 👏 NOT. 👏 JUSTIFY. 👏 MURDER. 👏
Hypnos, I agree but then I don’t. Yes this is about who has power over whom but this isn’t about taking control of other me. I feel like many women who have contemplated abortion would like my idea because she can be in control of her life without everyone else calling her a murderer.And to you, @Adam_INTJ ,While I do agree that abortion is murder, I do not agree that it (abortion) is something that requires some special justification. I personally do not agree that the murder of unborn or stagnant life is inherently wrong or bad.And I do agree that pregnancy doesn’t just happen. We share the same belief that people should be more responsible (in EVERY aspect of their lives).
So why isn't sending the child to adoption more talked about? Or letting the man keep his kid?It's simple. Women don't want their kid to come at them 10-20 years later asking why they gave them up. Men get called deadbeat dads everyday. If they even contemplate leaving a pregnant girl he's shamed by society no matter how emotionally or physically abusive the woman is, no matter if it was a slip in a one night stand, it doesn't even matter if the guy didn't know he had a kid. Women need to be held to male standards and need to be shamed by society in order to keep them at said standards. My father abandoned me and I won't forgive him. My mother treated me like shit and I won't forgive her. I hold then both to a standard and never let those basic standards waver. People need to recognize if they fuck up, they need to live with those consequences. With that being said their are special cases where I understand why abortions may need to be available. Such as cases or rape, incest, or the woman has a significant health risk. Those cases I understand but I can't say in good conscious that women should be dumbing down the importance of the decision to something as simple as "My body, My choice" because at the end of the day if you had to look the child in the eyes or if you had to somehow do the procedure yourself I think a lot more women would stop that silly phrase.
In my opinion, women get the same ridicule about abandoning their children. Especially when it comes to abortion... if that wasn’t the case there would be no debate on this topic. From Slut to Murderer... women get called every name in the book for not wanting kids. Just like men do.But I do agree that the term dead beat dad is used more often because on the surface, you will see men (specifically young men) more quick to leave the pregnant girl to fend for herself whether she’s aborting or not. Initially, it is easier for them to assume they can walk away because they are not the ones who are with child.Adoption is something that is talked about often. But women would prefer not to go that route—yes for the reason you’ve provided about not wanting the kid to look for them later. But the bigger reason is that women simply do not want to be pregnant. They don’t want to carry. Not only because of the public humiliation but also because pregnancy by itself is kind of an awful experience 😂Just physically and mentally, forget everyone else. Having something similar to a parasite grow inside of you and suck you up for everything you have is exhausting and painful. Pregnancy is not fun.Most women who get abortions are forced to be educated about their decision. Even to the extent where in many places the procedure requires the mother to hear the heartbeat. SoI don’t 100% agree that if women had to look their children in the eyes, they’d neglect the “my body my choice” slogan. Because what it REALLY means is “my life is more important, my choice”.As selfish as it is, the reality is... it’s the truth. The mothers life is more important. And most women (who want an abortion for themselves) will still choose their own life over something that inherently does not matter at all. But not everyone agrees with that and so there the debate begins.
Vote as in legally? Not just voting on of the individual woman he's with is considering it? Because ultimately if the man is involved and they are in a relationship and she wants an abortion but he doesn't his opinion should matter. Ultimately it is her decision, this will likely end the relationship if we she didn't go along with what he wanted. As for voting in an election for a policy, it's one person, one vote. No one can be barred from voting unless they are illegal it's cannot provide the necessary documents.
I can't fully say either or because there's a lot to consider.My instinct is to say no, because unfortunately there are a group of very far right individuals who would be thrilled at the idea of being able to prevent women from having full control over their bodies. They don't represent all conservatives or all men, however.On the same token, I understand why a man's vote could be beneficial because many men are pro-choice and even if they aren't, there's the argument that democracy gives every adult person the right to vote.Difficult.
I get your point about control but im assuming the asker is talking generally and not about force etc.
@dublin_sexyeyes0 I did too, which is why I spoke from both perspectives the best I could. I understand why the subject bothers men so much and am not trying to imply they have no voice, just not the power to apply force. That's all.
I agree force and control should have no place in any persons life. From my exp we looked at our situation from every possible angle and spent a long time coming to a decision. Both of us suffered emotiinally and mental scars are still with me tbh. We dated for 2.5 years afterwards and broke up for unrelated resons last Sept. She met a new boyfriend in Jan and she's blissfully pregnant now and excited. Im happy for her as we stayed friends. However when she told her family there were some nasty traits in their response that i predicted. Long story about her family.
@dublin_sexyeyes0 That sounds super hard. I'm sorry.
It was and we went through it together. She used the medical pill as she was only a few weeks gone so we could do it at home in private (back then irish laws were terrible). We got it sneakily from holland from a womans charity. But... once taken we spent the two or so hours just talking reassuring each other and when it began all i could do was hold her hand and comfort her as best i could. We both cried but we knew long term it was the best solution. Once over we took a shower together and cuddled all night in bed without sleep. The next day she was in work so i booked us a few days away to London go give our heads space and tbh it really helped. Like that event was in late 2016 and i still see it in my kind like yesterday. But... as i said, she's pregnant with her new boyfriend she's about 4 months along and very happy.
I wish i could tell you the reasons why we did it but i can't. One of those reasons was, although not top priority, was her family and her dad in particular. All i can say is he is no stranger to extreme violence.
I hate to burst your bubble, but there are just as many women against abortion as men.
You get a say when you vote either for or against pro life legislators. Other than that, no say whatsoever. Its not your body.Suppose you had a growth in your prostate that you didn't want, that if it didn't get taken care of now you wouldn't be able to afford the surgeries and expenses that would be unavoidable in the future, and then suppose that a panel of almost all women made your choice for, said theyd imprison you if you didn't keep that growth and effectively fucked your entire life. You wouldn't like that im guessing.
If that growth could develop into a person, that would be valid. The pro-lifers see a child who is killed slasher movie style because of who their parents were, or the mother didn't feel like taking care of it.Oh, and most pro-lifers are women, by the way.Have fun trying to deal with each other.
@IdentetarianimSucks but its not a person at the time you have the option to get rid of it now is it. Im all for putting severe restrictions on late term abortions, partial birth abortions, etc. At that point youve waited too long and the matter becomes very complicated and dependent on the specific medical complications involved. Lets not get into that or we'll be here all fuvking day.At the time in pregnancy when a blastocyst or embryo is a peanut sized bundle of cells with no brain or conciousness ( some may believe it has a soul but souls are unfalsifiable and religious and you can't force reasonable people to live by that dogma in a democracy) the issue is simple. A woman has a choice whether to remove that growth or let it develope into a child. To assert that removing a growth is killing a child is to skip over all the developement that has to happen before its a child in the first place. Think of this way, my choosing not buy a car is not the same as lighting one on fire. Until the car has been manufactured, and all the paperwork has been filled out, and the money has changed hands, i have the right to walk away from that life changing decision. Same thing with an abortion. Its a womans body, and until the lump in her uterus is developed into a child she gets to walk away from that life altering decision no matter what anyone else thinks about it. Got it?
This is a tough one. I would usually say yes but if I honestly had to put myself in that situation, I'd say not they shouldn't be allowed to vote on abortion. And it's a tough situation because I have empathy for those men that genuinely want the baby and the girl aborts the baby. But then on the other hand if the guy gets the vote, then I have empathy for woman who has to forced to stop her life and carry a child for 9 months that she doesn't want. I don't think either way is actually right. Either person will get the short end of the stick in this situation. What if I got pregnant, I'm studying, I can't afford to raise the child, what if the dad votes for no abortion and then disappears after the birth of the baby? What then? Like I said it's a difficult situation. Women receive the short end of the stick in many situations, so do men, unfortunately this is just one of those situations where men are more disadvantaged.
The question asked whether, or not men should be allowed to vote on abortion. That voting choice can be a "yes, or no."
Ummm no? Getting laid does not entitle men to make decisions about female bodies. Plus it just does not make sense for men to vote on a topic they will never really understand. I could allow it on one condition though, if the man signs the papers that once the child will be born he will take care of it on his own, then I agree that he has a right to the child since he is the father otherwise no, he has no right to make a woman care for it if she does not want to.
It just fascinates me how many men voted "yes"
most men on here are incel trump loyalists. Dont take it as an accurate representation of male opinion lol
I really hope so
men should vote on abortion because they have the right to. abortion concerns more than one body, it concerns the livelihood of the child which takes 2 to make. just because a man doesn’t have the child doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have a say.
As I said, if he contributes equally (which in this case is by providing for the child) then yes, he can have his say
@J3nny i simply disagree. Up until very late in a pregnancy, there's just one body, the womans body. Maybe 100 years in the future there will be some outpatient procedure to put the embryo in a mans body if he wants to be responsible for it, but until then its not his body, not his choice. He can voice his opinion and i encourage that, but at the end of the end he cannot exert his will over someone elses body.
Right because you and only you should be the arbiter over who lives and who dies. But i guess this is what happens when you're a neo environmentalist who views humanity as a cancer on the planet anyway. For every child aborted you're saving the environment, that's how you lot see it dont you?
@That_Skinny_Chick Be honest do you view abortion as the choice of removing a parasite from your body, or arbitrarily deciding living thing should die for your convenience?
it’s not just her body. it’s the body of his child. abortion is wrong in any circumstance and then man should have a say because it’s his kid from conception it’s a living thing from conception
@J3nny Right because you know there's gonna be that one chick who gets an abortion to spite her ex, mail him the dead fetus and then brag about it on twitter.
exactly. a person shouldn’t not have a say in something like that just because he has a penis. the left is ridiculous
@J3nny Hence why i became a moderate about a year after trump took office, they lost their minds after he won. The fact that the further left you go the more likely you will find hard core materialist atheists who are convinced that when we die we cease to exist doesn't help either.
it honestly seems like they could not care at all about human life. it’s insane. they’re all for exposing rapists but don’t care if people lie and ruin lives. it’s insane.
@J3nny I'ts called double standards they are the type who think women are above the law, this is why im so picky when it comes to dating, i don't have to patience to be dealing with someone who is essentially dead weight. And these people who feel the world revolves around them fall WELL into that catagory.
thank God i’m a woman 😂 it’s easy to find guys who are actually sane where i live.
@J3nny Just don't be a complete princess and you'll have men all over you. More men are starting to prefer tomboyish girls these days
huh really? men my age tend to avoid the tomboyish girls.
@J3nny Give it like 2-3 more years trust me people are slowly getting sick of the uber girly high maintenance types, and if they aren't then they are only dating such a girl to satisfy their own ego.
@Malik00 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manAnd thats where I'll leave you.
Because this country is a democracy, I'm obligated to say yes. Personally, no. I just can't see how a being how doesn't have to hold it and go through all the changes and shit can say a woman has to be put through it. She is the one who has to live with the choice and she is the one who has to go through it spiritually, mentally and physically.
Yes. Because we're talking about the moral implications, not just the physical ones.I think the argument that you need X body part to have a say in Topic Y just creates pointless gatekeeping and division for discussion.It's not going to keep guys from having an opinion, it'll just shut them up. Which doesn't sway their opinion if they disagree with you, nor make their criticism invalid.
Can a man get a woman pregnant? Yes.Can a man raise a kid? Yes.Is a man part of a democracy which allows the freedom to vote? Yes.So therefore, a man can vote on abortion.Actually, it's an ad hominem attack to assume a man shouldn't vote on abortion in the first place. The discussion should be about the issue, not who supports the issue.There is virtually no gender gap on abortion views anyway, via Gallup Polling.
A lot of people disagreeing with this say that it would allow men to decide over a womens body.1. doesn't that also mean other women decide over your body? Should a law controll your body in the first place?2. The child isn't just yours. Most men care about their child just as much as you do. Just because its in your stumach doesn't mean it belongs to you. Without the man it wouldn't be there.If a women decides to abort a child, it has an impact on the man aswell. 50% of the child is his, so please allow the male to vote on matters like these.
Yes, the politicians that are pushing the abortion bill in southern states were elected and were pro life as part of their platform. The women and men in those states voted majority in favor of these politicians so these politicians are pushing a bill a majority of men and women want passed. I think a rape acception and an 8-10 week cut off would be better, but the southern states have a majority pro life absolutist stance in those state so we should respect that even if we don't agree with the citizens there they want their state to be that way.
Well, they should at least have a say in their rights and obligations. Right now a woman can abort the child and her parental rights and obligations but the man can't abort his rights and obligations if she chooses to keep the child against his will. That is not fair in my opinion.
Absolutely not. A man has no say in a woman’s sex organs. Women don’t vote about his castration either, so who is he to vote if a woman has the right to abort a child she doesn’t want to carry or not? Women are not cattle owned by men. Those times are long past us. Women have their own agency over their own bodies.
sure!! fuck all incels and rapists
Jujuthehottest Alabama’s new laws are medieval and go against the internationally recognised human rights. I don’t see what Alabama does nowadays as different from what Saudia Arabia or some other woman-unfriendly country does to women. It’s shocking that laws like these are voted in a modern nation in the 21st century.
Women do have a vote on chemical castration. They had that vote in England as well, when it was legal there. Abortion affects entire nations, not just women. It has economic and social ramifications. Thus all citizens regardless of sex should have a right to vote on it.
100% yes. At the end of the day an abortion will be the females ultimate choice (hopefully) but her husband/partner has a right to voice his opinions, thoughts and concerns as this WILL affect him too, maybe not physically but definitely emotionally and mentally.
Good question. Do I think a man should have a say whether or not I get to choose what to do with my body and what's grows in it? Absolutely not. Just like I don't think I should get to decide things when it comes to his body or health. There are a lot of variables and different ways this question could be answered considering those variables but I think the answer is pretty simple.
Of course all the dislikes are from the entitled men who got butt-hurt by this truth bomb
Some people just can't handle it. It's not like I'm being sexist, I think my say ends where someone else's body begins, male or female. But clearly some feel entitled to other peoples bodies.
Should a women get child support from a man even though the money is his?
@Allen24680 you mean in the case that she decides to have a kid he doesn't want?
In any situation, if they both wanted it or not, should a woman be entitled to child support?
In any and every situation? No. A women who traps a man with a kid he didn't want wether she lied about birth control or poked holes in the condoms should not be entitled to child support. It happens and it's bullshit. In cases of rape or whoever is predominantly raising the child should receive child support from the other party. Now all that depends on income and what the agreement is. So there are a lot of variables here.
It is sexist to say that the universality of principality of morality of the topic of defending life versus reducing fellow mankind based on age to harvestable livestock is a principle that can be magically negated solely due to gender identity.If men no longer need vaginas to identify as "female" in ClownWorld, then the cuckoos saying men (or ma'ams) can't have an opinion on abortion leave themselves with NO LEG TO STAND ON to argue that gender identity negates anyone's voice!And in the end, they know they have no leg to stand on, and don't care. They want to murder children; and they'll be damned if ANYTHING tells them they can't! Complete and total degenerates.
Had men not had a say/vote on the matter, abortion would have never been allowed in the first place. Eventually some lawyer will attack this matter from a different angle - lawyering up the fetus and then the legal battles will truly begin. The State of California inadvertently provides legal ground for this in The People for the State of California. Scott Peterson, was prosecuted for the murder of his wife, Laci Peterson and unborn son, Connor Peterson. He was found guilty on both counts and waa later upheas by the State Supreme Court. That case alone could be used to at last limit Roe v. Wade if a clever enough lawyer felt so inclined to do so... else acquit Scott Peterson of murder of his 'unborn' son, Connor.
We constantly vote for things that have no effect on us. If we want to limit voting on issues only to people that are affected by it then abortion will certainly not be the first and last thing to uphold that principle. I get that principle on an emotional level but any closer examination of it would pretty much shred it to pieces.
If men are gonna have to deal with any repercussions coming from that vote, then yes.You can't expect women to have full control over their lives AND men's lives, while men have no say in either.The woman should be able to decide whether she wants to abort or not, but the man should be able to decide whether he wants to stay or not.
I think women make the decision to have sex with that man and conceive a child ( rape aside) so they are also giving that man a say. I dont want any misunderstandings because I am the guy that praises women everyday for the amazing miracles their bodies can do. I just think biologically that baby is both of you so I dont think anyone is saying you need to be some midevil man slave with no rights... just let him have the right to his opinion about something that could mean a lot to him and his life.
Actually scratch that, I don't think anyone should be voting for it, I think it should be a set of static laws and clear rules, no abortion when you decided to have a baby and then decide not to, no abortion when you're careless and got yourself pregnant, now... being pregnant from rape is a very grey area and I don't know what to think about that part :/
Thinking they shouldn't literally is saying that only a woman knows what confers personhood or makes a woman.It's also mostly like saying men are not allowed to empathize or protect life because it doesn't directly impact them. The fact is there are a lot of immoral things that don't concern us personally that we have to stand up against, latest example was slavery right? It's not your land so I can do whatever I want with my slaves... Turns out no matter your own opinions on the issue every person has the right to an opinion. If you take it upon yourself willingly to have sex you are entitled to the responsibilities that come with it and I don't give a squat about a woman's body so long as there's not another body inside her, in that case the vaginal canal doesn't confer personhood and you don't have a moral right to determine what is human and what is not, nobody does
Why shouldn’t men vote? If a woman gets pregnant and had a kid and the guy didn’t then no matter what the guy pays child support. That’s because in court they say having a kid takes two. So if it takes two then the man should have a say in keeping the kid. There shouldn’t be child support either bc they made a choice
Yes. Males are killed in the womb too. A baby is not your body. Your uterus is part of your body. You decided how things could go down with your uterus when you decided to have sex.Saying that men shouldn't vote on abortion because they don't have a uterus would be just as good as slaveowners saying that people who don't own slaves should not be allowed to vote on slavery.
Then a woman should have a say on your body too. If she wants your dick cut off, you should do that
You didn't get my point. A baby is not a part of your body. Your choices lie in whether to have sex, use birth control, or put up for adoption. The law is not trying to legislate your uterus or vagina. It is protecting the rights of the person inside you. You didn't have to make a person in there you know.
Do men get ANY say at all if their girlfriend or wife gets pregnant and they want to keep their child? I get that the women have to endure the inconvenience and pain of the pregnancy. But the kid is STILL his. It is still half his genetic code. If she wants to kill the baby there is nothing he can do which is very wrong.
TRANS men EXIST, once the embryo becomes sentient (which is in the third trimester) it becomes an everyone issue before then it is the PERSON with the uterus’s opinion... trans /intersex/non binary exclusionary language is often used in this debate and fails to acknowledge that not everyone with a uterus identifies or is female... but overall whoever has the body should have the opinion until the baby becomes sentient and should not be aborted unless it poses serious health risks
Yes. And I'm in favor of not only abortion by choice, but forced abortions as well. It's only a clump of cells, so there's no need in being emotionally attached to it whether you want it or not. Women on welfare should be forced to abort because they can't afford a child and it will grow up at a disadvantage. Women who get pregnant on accident should be forced to abort because they won't be as good of a mother to an accidental child. Men who don't want the child should petition for abortion and make the mother prove that she can afford the child on her own, absolving him of parental duties.It's just a clump of cells, guys. Nothing to get bent out of shape about.
I think that it is more case by case dependant honestly . if he just wants to have an abortion so he doesn't have to take responsibility, then no!But if he is going to stay and be a father or help the girl go through trama of abortion (i had to when younger) then yes!No stay... no say! Lol
Yes, I think they should. I guess you can argue that it doesn't directly affect them (in that a man will not need to get an abortion himself, unless possibly he's a trans man) but it definitely does impact men's lives and they should get to voice their opinions.
What about the man, and they accidentally conceive, and she wants to end it, because of her career, or lifestyle?What if he is willing to take complete responsibility, for the child, when born, and she can legally sign, and have no responsibility, but she thinks being pregnant, and all those months, will wreck her career, and financial stability, so she insists on aborting it? Does the father have any rights, there?The answer to that, maybe is part of my answer, to this question.
If you're talking political vote, that issue was done with roe v wade and the decisions that refined and cemented that decision. If you're talking on a relationship level, our opinion should be heard but ultimately it should not be our decision to make one way or the other.
Yes. Because it's not about "a woman's right to choose what she does with her body". Unborn babies have a completely unique set of genetic information and is not a part of the mother's body. It is a separate human life, and it has the right to live. And don't forget: the baby isn't just the woman's child, it's the man's child too.
If it's not a part of the mothers body and just uses up her resources then it can get the hell out of there if she doesn't want somebody else living off of her (by your logic).
@morimeme1 not really. Because as a parent you have a moral and dare I say a legal obligation to care for your children. Born or unborn. There's literally no difference between an unborn child and a child who's been born morally speaking. That's why abortion is wrong in the first place. By your logic, (not mine, you're putting words in my mouth) a child should just get thrown the hell out of the house because it just sits there using up resources. Welcome to parenthood!!! 18+ years of feeding, caring for and raising another human being. I'll excuse your immature response because you're still a child and clearly haven't thought this through seriously but it's really sad that you would even consider that line of action. I hope you never have an unwanted pregnancy because I don't like the odds of that kid making it out alive.
I am careful and smart enough not to have unwanted pregnancies but thank you for your concern. If I am not mistaken, parents are legally allowed to make choices for their kids who are yet unable to do that so if a parent knows that they won't be able to give that child a normal life if makes sense to not put them through that misery.
@morimeme1 ah so you'd rather them due than have a difficult life? That's a bit slack. Many people begin life in absolute squalor but pull themselves out of it and live very fulfilled successful lives. Most high level athletes are perfect examples of this. My favourite example is a man named Dr Ben Carson. He was born dirt poor to a single mother but managed to get himself into a situation where he became a neurosurgeon and is now a part of the Trump administration helping to improve black neighbourhoods like the one he was born in. Humans are so full of potential it's evil to kill them before they even get the chance to realise it.
Yet the percentage of those who become drains on the system or simply criminals is way bigger than those success stories. Yes I would rather not create an extra human and make the lives of two people miserable when there are so many of those already. I don't see it as murder, I see it as non-creation, that's not a person yet.
I think the only ones who should have a vote on abortion are the unborn babies. If they remain silent it means they vote against it. If they raise their voice and say, "yes mama kill me!" then, and only then should women be allowed to murder their unborn babies. If men's voices should NOT be heard, then neither should their wallets be drained by paying for a woman's decision.
No, i don't think men should have any control over what women want to do with their bodies. Because they'll never know what it's like to go through pregnancy. A woman shouldn't be forced to have a child.Logically, you could say that men kill potential babies by wasting their sperm and women could call that "murder", but women don't!
Who said anything about control?
@dublin_sexyeyes0 Preventing or forcing abortion is always a matter of control.Control, v. "To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over".Giving or removing a right is an act of control. Control isn't always bad (e. g. government outlaws murder, that's controlling people).
lets just say that during menstruation, an egg cell is expelled. Every time. So, theoretically with your logic, it could also be called murder.
@jeremythedrummer it’s not the same at all. Guys waste sperm when the masturbate so that’s how women can say it’s “murder”. Passing an egg in menstruation isn’t in the women’s control. That’s how the body works. Abortion is a choice for the women and wasting sperm during masturbating is a choice for men. That’s how people are relating them. Periods have nothing to do with it and are not connected to this logic in any way.
and let me add to that, even if thats so, during intercourse when a sperm fertilises an egg, the rest of the sperm die. So having children means killing more children? Also i should add that the sperm cannot be considered a complete form of life, it lacks some neccessities to survive long term.From a biological standpoint thr foetus is not part of the mother's body as well. separate bloodstreams, and the fact that the placenta is made from tissue consisting of the foetus' genetic make up. If the foetus and mother were connected by blood and flesh aside from the placenta, then yes they would be one being, but since they could die if connected likewise, it can only be considered as coexistence, and the foetus is not part of the mother's body. Im not trying to prove you wrong, im just giving a point from a biological POV , given that i am a biology student. Im not trying to argue, I just want to have a peaceful discussion.
ok cancel my first paragraph. One thing though, sperm do not survive long, even in the testicles. They get constantly replaced. So there would be no difference if the MSN masturbated at all.
Nobody forces you to have a kid anyway. That's what birth control is for.
I’ll just Call it like it is and say that anyone that thinks a persons vote on anything should be taken away based on sex, gender, race etc etc is just a flaming idiot. But even idiots have a right to vote.
Two idiots so far
Only if men have equal responsibility, which is to say, they're obligated to contribute equal value as a woman in the case of an unwanted pregnancy. As per the cost of surrogacy, the woman contributes $50,000 worth of value carrying the pregnancy. So in order to have an equal say, men must be obligated to contribute an equal value - which can come from paying medical bills, paying for food/necessities for the woman (& thus the child), etc.
Oh!!! No you did not. If a broke female gets knocked up the dad and/or government are paying 100%.But let’s pretend that child bearing is worth $50k... rich guys would LOVE to pay broke/poor mammas just $50k and get full custody of the kid. Probably be a lot fewer women getting ‘accidentally’ knocked up by famous jocks all of a sudden.
As a political and legal issue, of course men should have equal say / vote in all of the legalities around abortion policy, as they currently do.On an individual level, the father's "vote" should count but ultimately it should be the woman's decision as it is her body. HOWEVER, the father should also have the legal right to absolve himself of any obligations as a father, financial, legal or otherwise. THAT is the only fair solution in this complicated issue.On a related note, when a woman gets pregnant she should be legally compelled to let the father know he has conceived a child. It is absolutely barbaric that that isn't the law today.
Yes. There are obviously way more heartbroken dudes whose baby was aborted that they wish they could have taken care of and supported financially (on their own if necessary) than there are deadbeat dudes who knock a girl up and then bail.#dudesrights
To all the guys saying they should get to vote on abortion, I ask WHY do you want to? How does it affect you? Would you be comfortable with women deciding when you are allowed to use Viagra? Or if circumcision should be the standard? Or how about women deciding you shouldn't be allowed to have a vasectomy before age 35 because "you might change your mind".
Yes. Takes two to tango. Men should also have a say also. The law should be balanced. Right now banning abortion is just beneficial for men. I don't see how it's good for women.
I don't see how it's beneficial for men, it's beneficial for the child though.
@Ámayas_20 without the child they don't need to pay for child support.
That's not even what you said nor does it have any relevance.
@Ámayas_20 OOF read that wrong. Sorry bout that I was distracted lol. Beneficial to men in terms of having a child regardless if the mother doesn't want it. Since the women does all the carrying.
Yeah that doesn't benefit men it just doesn't benefit women there is a difference. Not to mention 9 months of pregnancy is walk in the park compared to parenthood.
@Ámayas_20 Maybe not in a big deal but it does in a way. There are some people who'd even get children kidnap just so they can have a kid. Some whackos out there. If a rapist decides to want this woman's child no law will help the woman abort the child. Unless they include that but as far as I know that's not yet added. 9 months of unwanted pregnancy is a very big stress on the woman as well. Having wanted pregnancy is already a toll on the body what more if it's a baby you never wanted. That's mental torture
The babies life is far more important than the woman's happiness and convenience but that isn't even the worst thing you're making out here. You do realise most of the people who kidnap children because they want a child are women? You do understand which I've already tried to point out that just because something doesn't benefit women doesn't mean it benefits men. Men are not the monsters you're acting as if they are and a woman's pregnancy is not the issue but the life of the child that is as much theirs as hers.
@Ámayas_20 Taking only the baby's side is dangerous. You're choosing one life without compassion over the other. You have to think of both not just the babies. Pregnancies always comes with a risk. Just because majority are carrying okay doesn't mean you can just negate the experiences of the minority.And only choosing the baby in terms of their 9 months and right to be born without even considering how children born into families who hate them don't grow up healthy. Where is the welfare for millions of starving and abandoned children? So many poor families get pregnant and can't provide for the child. Not all foster families also provide what children need. There's so many factors that should be taken into account when banning abortion. But most pro people are just looking at the right of babies to be born.You do realise not everything is just extreme always? So what if most women are the culprits, men also do those. You're the one creating something much worse than what I said. Reread my first comment and see where I said or implied men are monstrous? I even said men should have a say as well. Pointing out "just because something doesn't benefit women doesn't mean it benefits men" doesn't negate what benefits the other. I never even implied that one is co-related with another. I just did a pros and cons and concluded what is there to benefit women for banning abortion? At least with men I can see something even it's not a big deal. It's not a "no women therefore men do"
i think we should be allowed to encourage her to get an abortion or argue to get 1 if u like,but technically she has all the freedom and choice whether she does get an abortion or not since she birthed it and its only biologically possible for a female to give birth, its only fair
Of course they should. They should have just as much of a say on whether the baby they helped make gets to live as its mother should.
Yeah it is ok to force her carry it. So stupid
I didn’t say anything about forcing the mother to carry it. I said the father should have just as much of a say as the mother. Don’t put words in my mouth.
Can tell me how he can have a say in abortion without forcing her? If she does not want it, he only can have an opinion and that is it. Women should have the last say
Women having the last say doesn’t mean the father doesn’t have any say lmao. Both the father and the mother of any unborn child should be able to have an open discussion regarding the potential life/death of the baby they made together and they should be able to make a decision and come to a conclusion together. If they can’t, then sure, the mother will have the final say, because she’s the one that has more to lose from carrying a pregnancy and delivering a baby. But that doesn’t mean the father’s opinion doesn’t or shouldn’t matter to her at all.
Ohh ok I am sorry. And thanks for the explanation
Yes, the male should have just the same amount of say in abortion as the female. After all it is their baby as well.
if father is a rapist or pervert?
Of course as political issue.A man should have the right to abort himself finacially from a child thst he does not want if the woman deceides to keep it.
I agree with this to a point. If a female becomes pregnant and is determined to keep it but the male doesn't want it then he should have the opportunity to release all responsibility of any kind but also means giving up any future rights until the child is 18. If he changes his mind then may do so only with the consent of the mother and a fair maintainance structure put in place.
The same people who yell "only women should be allowed to have opinions about abortion" are perfectly ok with liberal men speaking in favor of it, and likewise attack conservative women who rightfully oppose it. Also, if you make an equivalent statement that only gun owners should have a say about gun laws, these same leftist wackos will foam at the mouth and launch into their usual incoherent diatribes.
should women vote on mens health? lets decide ladies, are men allowed to recieve healthcare? lets push it further. should men pay a fine if they waste cum by not impregnating a women? 🤔🤔🤔 ugh sounds a lot like the 'women can't have credit cards without a husbands signature' law. just controlling and an abuse of power.
I think you should be allowed to vote on men's healthcare, and if you deny men healthcare, and they die, you should have to live with that.You think I'm kidding, don't ya?
Let’s decide whether or not they can have viagra😂
@Factshurt90 spot on 👍
simple biology, to have a baby you need an egg and a sperm cell - men provide the sperm and women provide the egg, you can't get pregnanat randomly without having sex, therefore it takes a man and a woman to make a baby ... if you dont want men to have a say in the child they helped make, then its easy women get to decide whatever we want but men dont pay child support.you want to have full control over your body regardless of what the man who made that baby with you wants? cool, dont ask him for money, work and make your own money.
it doesn't take two to MAKE a baby. it doesn't pop out overnight, it takes 9 long months in a womans body, men just fertilise an egg. that doesn't equal a living breathing human idiot.
it doesn't take 2 to make a baby? did you even go to school? dam they're getting dumber and dumber every year.9 months? sure, but show me a woman who still works after the 7th month of her pregnancy, not to mention most women take 3-6 months off work after giving birth, whether you like it or not, you DEPEND ON US "MEN" to have kids, be it the sperm or the financly, logistical support you get from us, the smart women who understand that and appreciate the men in their lives are having the time of their lives, they ones like you who think women are superheros, will always suffer and won't even know why.
men dont have carry the baby for 9 months but men give women the support and strength they need to have a baby, preganant women are weak, unstable emotionally and need a lot of support mentally and physically and financially, women are no superheros, they simply were biiologicaly designed to have babies, but even then its super hard to do it alone, which is why no sane woman will get preganant outside of a loving serious relationship.
not every woman wants a baby or wants to be with the man who got her pregnant, or are mentally and physically ready for a baby if it was an accident/unprepared. not every situation is the exact same. thats why u have to give options. its like giving the same medication to all illness', its not going to work.
90% of the time the same woman who "Wasnt ready" still files for child support even when the man bluntly tells her he is not ready for a baby at this point in his life, should she get a choice? indeed, but if she chooses to keep the baby then she has to take care of her child alone, unless of course hte father also wants to keep it then they can do it together... as for not wanting kids, this is a completely differnet subject, tie your tubes or dont have sex, if you're old enough to not want kids then you're old enough to know how to prevent it, as for supporting women, look i will put it bluntly... women are WEAK, they pretend to be strong because we as men gave them enough rights to be that way, the police officer that arrests the guy you sued is a man, soldiers are mostly men, most of the authority figures those involved in fighting crime and violence are men, no matter how you look at it, if you go head to head with a man you will lose 9/10 you are not built be as tough or strong as men, but so many women still dont get that and think they can do everything alone , thats not how it works.
hahahahaha ur too much. keep telling urself lies upon lies. good luck with that! big fat NO to all of it.
as i said earlier i doubt you even graduated from hight schoo, you level of argument is at best at kindergarten level, you have no understanding of the real world of how things actually work, women like you suffer, a lot.
im in uni and had almost perfect grades throughout highschool so come again u sexist pig.
99.9% of people go to uni nowadays, big deal most of them stil dumb af, and you're no different
so education does or doesn't matter to u because either i can't pass highschool or uni is easy? sounds like u flipflop on all ur opinions. do u even believe men should vote on abortion or r u going to change ur opinion like u did just now?
by the way i just skimmed through ur profile and it is exactly what i thought it would be a lonely, hung up on ur ex, with an intense obssession with women. can't say im surprised. dont worry the hurt won't last forever.
this isn't my profile if you look closely, and you can ready everything i post thats the point of posting stuff really , if i were to hide it why would i even post it in the first place? doesn't really make you any less dumb though
that made no sense. "ready everything"? "hide it"? what point are u making? are u saying ur whole profile isn't based on urself? i know ur profile picture isn't u, obviously. but ur questions/takes/answers all aren't urself aswell? is that what u mean? because that means ur entire persona is a flipflop?🤔
hahaha u went private! if u think ur right, u shouldn't have anything to hide. clearly u feel ashamed.
If she thinks it doesn't take two to make a baby. Then there's no use explaining something to someone without a brain.
Yeah since they have a saying too. If you and your partner made a baby the man should have a saying since he is a part of it too.
Men are as much childs parent as women are. Thus they should have a right to vote as well. Of course, there are some differences between abortion laws for women and men. But i believe in equality
you say men can interfere women's body hmm then where is equality?
But its his child too. It wouldn't be equality if he didn't have the right to the child
yes, but if child's father is a rapist or pervert sicko man? many 12-13 yo girls get impregnated by old cows in the US
Then yea. I think that abortion should be even forced, if the person is underage or if there are health risks for the mother.
yes!! actually i talk about crime victims
Like crime victims should always have the right. But if a woman rapes a man then the man should also have the right to make her get abortion.
Yes I live in a democracy. We vote for Partys and they vote on the matter in the parliment. I say we need female politicans to vote on it too and not just male politicans. Both should be representated and making the right decision and every view and opinion should be heard.
We do get a say, but she gets to make the final decision. We can’t force anybody to do what they don’t want to do; it’s always a risk or/and trauma that comes along with something like that. If it’s a parent making the decision then I’m sorry my views are differently.
Does abortion still exist in the civilised world? I thought it was all medication and a termination now very early in pregnacy before vital organs are anywhere near close to being formed. TERMINATION not abortion why so many questions on here about something from 40 to 50 years ago?
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