I agree with you. But anyone who thinks Trump is Better than them is also a fucking clown.
Oh no wonder you defend trannies you are a libertarian that explains it. So a liberal pretending to be conservative lol.
An American that hates America? I thought that was illegal? Thought you HAD to talk about how great the military is at least...
@Clarke498 jesus christ, im far from the only one who hates certain aspects of this country. I criticize because i care and i want America to be a place known for its inovation and equality, not its stupidity and corruption. I certainly dont want people to think of us as the bully of the world, which we are definitely guilty of being. We're a young boiling pot of cultures and ideas that springs forth unrivaled creativity and energy. America needs to stop being known for its military.😣
Yeah i was just kidding. No country is flawless and it annoys me when every American i listen to makes it sound like it is..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs
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Where the trotskyists?
Agreed but there isn't much he could say that could make him lose as long as the left are being morons.
Au contraire. Trump's brash remarks flush out the Bolsheviks. This is "crazy like a fox".
@Curmudgeon That is somewhat true, but he could dial it down and be just as effective.
I don't think it's even possible to have a debate with ten people at a time. Why do you say they don't know how democracy works? Currently, policies that are popular with majorities of voters are ignored, is that how democracy's supposed to work?
@goaded well just look at leftist behavior at public speaking events of right leaning people, then you know what i mean. you don't do democratic social discourse by shouting down the other party.
I thought we were talking about the Democratic party debate. Democratic politicians, not left wing voters reacting to right-wing (not right-leaning) agitators. Remember, it was Yiannopoulos's supporters who "allegedly" brought a gun to the University of Washington in the hope of shooting someone (which they did).
@goaded civil discourse and the democratic principle involve everybody not just the spearhead of politics.
You specifically mentioned "democratic debates".
@goaded yeah so? aren't people at democratic debates and aren't they often shouted down by leftists chanting some nonsense?
Nonsense like "Send her back"? Or "Jews will not replace us"? Really, give some concrete examples.
This personality cult is getting out of hand it seems
Hilarious I love that
Their attempts backfired on the first night. Bernie and Warren ran the show.
Agreed. I'm hoping Bernie becomes president. He is the only politician whose actions back up what he says and shows he will keep his promises. He shows he cares about the middle to poverty class compared to the other politicians that make false promises and talk out their ass to manipulate voters. Plus Bernie actually has well thought out plans and knows what he is doing. I personally think Warren is a wackjob that only says what the voters want to hear without thinking of the repercussions of her words
I didn’t see Warren on your list. Where would you place her?
She is too wishy washy and goofy. I don't trust her on healthcare as much as say Bernie or Tulsi. Plus I don't see her beating Trump. She is Pocahontas remember? She is going to get demolished by Trump in the debates. Bernie can hold his own and dish it back Trump. Yang is immitating Trump is a smart and mocking way. MATH hats and cool slogans are working asking with his out of the box ideas. Not Right, not Left, but forward. Hot damn Andrew, hot damn! Yang appeals to Trump voters and libertarians too. So he's got an edge there. Tulsi is a smart and we'll spoken beautiful woman who for some reason the Right seems to have a soft spot for. Bernie is Americas angry Grandpa and would maim Trump. Everyone likes him and many people who voted for Trump in 2016 have expressed the reason was because Bernie lost the primary and Hillary won. So they would have voted for Bernie had he gotten the nomination. Meaning that in 2016 if Bernie went up against Trump, Trump would have never won in the first place. If I had to vote for Warren, I will. She is better than the rest of them.
I like Yang the best of the dems. He’s presenting workable ideas as opposed to destructive ones at least. I disagree with him on UBI, but he’s interesting and is actually interested in having a discussion. Hell, he went on Shapiro’s show
What do you disagree with him on UBI about? That it's a buy in instead of allowing people who are disbabled to keep their benefits and the dividend? Because that's my complaint.
Maybe. I think Bernie Sanders can beat him.
@Jamie05rhs lol Sanders is maybe not the dumbest person... but Trump is one of those freightliner trains that runs over that old man. There is no way he can beat Trump. Same goes for Biden. Too old, too slow, too quiet
@Jamie05rhs I think Biden’s got the best chance if he sticks to the middle, but he’s going to struggle with getting the nomination.
Bernie would rape Trump. C'mon. We all know that.
@SirRexington I do not believe that because Bernie cannot even win the primary because giving everyone free stuff is all he is running on and more Americans despise socialism than want it. I have seen enough horror stories about other countries to know that I don't want it. I did want single payer healthcare at first now I see that I was just nuts.
@4Aces in sorry man but your arguments are so tired, ignorant and based on falsalities that I'm not even going to respond.
@SirRexington false? Like people dying in Canada and the UK because they had to wait 9 months for an important test or operation? Google it it is all true. Don't even get me started on the things that happened with socialism in poor countries. You are seeing what you want to see not what the truth is.
@4Aces false. Goodbye and educate yourself.
Also we are not a poor country. We are a rich country. Socialism would have a much better shot here. Regardless of your ignorance.
@SirRexington Yea giving illegals free healthcare is really gonna work out fine even just giving it to every US citizen will crowd the ERs and more people die because of it let alone giving it to illegals like your Dems want to do.
@SirRexington The US is about capitalism not giving out free stuff. We start doing that we end up just as bad as the Soviet Union in the 80s. I don't want to have the same money that you have I want to have the chance to make a way in the world and have things and have more.
How and why do you think that?
@SirRexington The Dems have gone so far left that if someone has traditional Democrat views they are acting like they are Republicans. Tulsi destroying Kamala was great though.
@4Aces you act going left is a bad thing. The Right has gotten more right wing too. And even if they didn't, so what? I'm moree left than traditional democrats that are basically Republicans but are more accepting to gays and black. that's why people complain there aren't really two parties because they are too similar. The democratic party needs to move further left.
@SirRexington Then call them something else because they are not Democrats anymore. Joe Biden is a Democrat not these people talking about decriminalizing crossing the border and giving reparations.
@SirRexington Poll after poll after poll shows that the positions taken by the debating candidates are unpopular with likely election voters. They increasingly tack left to capture a vocal left leaning base at the expense of losing crossover voters. The best chance for a presidential victory was for them to align on moderate positions like what won the extra seats in the house at midtermThe more they tack left the more likely a conservative win.
@Izumiblu that is true because most intelligent people are centrists I cannot stand any sort of extremism on either side. Socialism and open borders that is simply the ways of the New World Order and these far left people want to make it happen. It is far easier to brainwash people on the far left they are just like lambs going to the slaughter.
@4Aces I can’t believe warren is doing so well here completely inexplicable. She’s as left as any and about as charismatic as a slab of rock
Izumiblu Warren is horrible they are basically talking about decriminalizing crossing the border just because Trump said he would crack down on illegals. Almost everyone in their party wants this just to be contrary to Donald Trump no other reason and that is sad and also scary.
@4Aces trump will slaughter her in the election
@Izumiblu she won't win the primary pushing these things Biden probably will
What polls are these?
@Ad_Quid_Orator the polls I've seen and the comments everywhere online is that centrism is bogus and neoliberalism needs to be replaced. In my opinion Republicans and conservatives should stop telling Democrats and Left wingers what to and what not to believe in. Universal healthcare is popular, even among Republicans. Forgiving student loan debt is popular. Raising taxes on the wealthy is very popular. Always has been. Universal basic income is growing popular, and only 1 candidate supports it. These two have no clue what they are talking about and are victims of fake news and mainstream propaganda. Anything to the left of them is socialism and they love centrists because they know centrists will bend over for them and let Republicans rape the country.
I've seen those polls. I've also seen BS ones like this reason.com/.../ that try to refute those polls. This is of course ridiculous because if you load the question of course people are going to vote the other way. I mean if you did the converse of what the poll in the link did and mention that it would cut down the net cost of healthcare in this country you'd probably have more people supporting it.
@SirRexington I paid off my student loan out of my very own pocket why should others get forgiven? The USA is not a free ride for the pieces of trash who want to lay around and do nothing it doesn't work that way. This is why Joe Biden will end up winning the primary the same as Hillary beat Bernie last time because most people do not support socialism.
@4Aces Universal college education ≠ giving the workers control of the means of production.
@SirRexington the fact that you are bashing centrists just shows that you are brainwashed. Anyone who sees the truth knows the truth is in the middle not one side or the other. I know the healthcare situation is bad in the US but that does not mean we take extreme measures it means we crack down on insurance companies and we make healthcare affordable.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Get a fucking job and pay for it yourself like everybody else
@4Aces Everyone else doesn't pay for their college education; in many places it's Universal. In fact, even here in the US public universities get tax funding.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Many places does not mean the US. We are the US we don't UBI or single payer healthcare and some extremist nuts are not gonna change that.
But this does raise a problem with the way that these issues are being phrased. Often the question is phrased: should tax dollars fund education and healthcare when it should be phrased should they pay for part of the cost of education and healthcare or all of it?
@4Aces Do you have polling data to support that claim?And if you think people should be responsible for paying for their own education, should all government funding to public universities be cut?
@Ad_Quid_Orator What does a poll matter? CNN will say they say one thing Fox News will say it says another
@4Aces It matters more than some random guy on the internet conjecturing.
@Ad_Quid_Orator This is the United States we are not about socialism we are not about giving away free stuff and that was proven when Hillary beat Bernie in the primary. I have seen you comment on other posts are you are the biggest jerkoff on this site defending the worst things and people in the world. Your opinion is not worth a damn thing.
@4Aces so now polls matter? I thought polls showed that most people are centrists? Which is bullshit by the way. And universal healthcare is not extreme. If you think it is then you should leave America snd go somewhere else. That's the argument right? Don't like something so leave? I don't agree with that but so many people on the right do and you clearly are right wing. You shame people and incessantly cry about "handouts" and people being given "free shit" they're getting equal access. And since when do Americans not like free shit? We are the land of the fucking free after all, aren't we? Who doesn't want to pay less? Isn't that the rational actor? Paying less for the most he can receive? Congrats. That's Medicare For All and free tuition. UBI is easy to pay for regardless of what some tools believe and it provides a certain level of basic standards for everyone. Which should be guaranteed. Of you disagree with that then that is your problem and you can go live somewhere where a basic standard of living is not provided. Tell me how great that country is when you get there.
@SirRexington Universal healthcare and elimination of private health insurance Healthcare for illegal immigrants Free collegeSlavery reparations extending to jimcrow reparations Elimination of individual 2nd amendment rightsElimination of private primary school optionsFurther we are talking in context of winning a presidential election in the us and what voters in America will vote for not what people in other areas of the world think because Few here care what non Americans think.If the dems don’t moderate from these early debates they lose this election and the reps keep the senate and challenge the house even with the most beatable candidate in recent history.
@4Aces Again, socialism is where the workers control the means of production, it isn't about giving away free shit. But in America we give away free police protection, fire rescue and primary education AND in part healthcare and secondary education.
My last response before I'm done with this thread. I don't want private health insurance companies to exist. That's why I support Medicare For All...Free college is for public and state universities. No one is going to Yale for free. "Free".I also do not support giving illegals the same benefits as American citizens when it come to healthcare. We have fought for decades for universal health coverage for the American people but now people illegally residing here get that too? Fuck that. And I've heard no one speak on the gun issue in such a way that you are presenting. You are reactionary right winger which believes "left wing bad, right good". Moderates do not solve anything. They just continue the status quo and side with Republicans on most things. That's not representative of the country. Up until now lefties weren't really represented. I care far more about that than racial representation.
They also suck, and US is in trouble if any one of them get in. We will get asses kick because we will have no military. The economy will be in a depression. Spending will sky rocket to a National Debt of 100 Trillion. We will be a socialist country with no individual rights.