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But Trump isn’t promoting violence against anyone or telling these psychos to do this. It’s Unfair to blame him. People on both sides have committed acts of terrorism. It’s similar to the notion that because the KKK call themselves Christians, all Christians should be blamed for their awful ideologies. This is unrealistic and stupid. You can hate Trump as much as you want (I dislike him) but don’t blame him for crazy psychos actions. Those people are just using Trump as an excuse to commit their treacherous, evil actions.
You’re lying trump is the one who pretty much said he’d support it you don’t think laughing and sayin that response was in appropriate for right there? And trump is literally trying to up the immigration laws and do you know he’s been kicking out a lot of immigrants as of recently? Trump is definitely promoting violence against my people and even statistically that is showing we’ve never had more mass shooting than before trump.
He is a big part of the problem
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I wouldn't want guns confiscated, the problem with that is criminals don't care what's illegal or not, if they want to murder someone they will get the gun anyway and go murder them. It would be helpful if a lot of people would get a carring license though, it'd stop a shooter real quick. You just can't force people to carry one, even my mom hates guns. I think they are necessary for just in case situations.
What you say is true, if carry permits were allowed in more (all) states gun crimes would be cut in half, not knowing who is carrying with a CWP, would make you think twice before being stupid.
Definitely. I wanna get a carrying license. With all this happening, it's getting scary to even go shopping.
Just to point out, mass shootings, and all violent crime, is actually decreasing. It has been for nearly 30 years now. What has changed is the media's desire to cover what happens and push an agenda through those stories. It creates copycats and leads to more issues in the long run.More restrictions of the second amendment would likely lead to violence and cause more issues.
@TheKack I agree, completely. Sadly, nearly all of these Horrible crimes are committed in "GUN FREE ZONES" so that even legal Concealed carry people, cannot have their weapons there. I don't know for sure about the Walmart, and it would be ironic, if they didn't allow concealed carry, as they are one of the biggest retailers of firearms!
The Dayton shooter supported Democratic politicians. Are those he supported responsible for his actions?
@ItsyBits Educate me please. Can you provide the motive behind the shooter’s killing of innocent people?
@MajesticTwelve You said it BETTER than anyone I have ever seen, here, or anywhere, for that matter!Loved the "cowgirl" up bit!!
Nor Mr. Trump.
So is Trump responsible for his actions? Xenophobia, bigotry, racism - that fuels such actions!
Also by the way while I hate trump I wish him nor his family any ill fate
Why did they want to kill people? Don't you think that's a factor at all?I'm thinking particularly about the El Paso shooter, because the Dayton one doesn't seem to have been motivated by any political belief (unless you think his hatred of conservatives was so great that he shot his sister for being one, which she probably wasn't).Why do people join the military and go to war, and kill people? It's because they've been told that there is an enemy, and that the enemy is bad, and the enemy needs to be stopped. Sometimes that's even true.What do you do, if you're a patriotic young man and you've been told that there's an invasion going on just hours from your home? The government is being held back by traitors who want to invite the invaders in. What could be more patriotic than defending your homeland? 99% of people are sensible enough not to do anything, but POTUS talks to the whole nation, and spreads these lies, and some people are stupid, and then people die.
Actually i forgot censorship and deplatforming to the list.If people go out of their way to further their agenda and be heard then we got a problem in that area as well. Perhaps we should stop censoring and banning people's opinions but instead hear them on and DERADICALIZE them.
The difference is mass shooters didn’t write a manifesto about white supremacy during Obama era. Nice try though.
@Yessir12 What has that got to do with anything?
Because Obama’s speech did not directly cause mass shootings but Trump’s did. The mass shooter wrote a manifesto saying he was inspired by Trump.
@Yessir12 And CNN recently posted an article where it is disclosed that the Ohio shooter was a left-wing extremist, "pro-satan".
@Yessir12 have you read the manifesto? Its not about Trump the perp just hates hispanic people, and dont say tRUmP hATeS HISpANiCS TOo thOUgH.
@Yessir12 The White Supremacy thatMr. Trump has repeatedly spoken out against. Good grief you Leftists truly are insane.
@Liam_Hayden lol i know the dayton dude was a socialist but lets ignore that and try to spin the el paso dude as a MAGA representative...
What comments are you referring to specifically? And how do you know these comments contributed to the shootings?
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard all of his racist comments. From insulting the 3 women and saying they need to go back to where they came from. And his relentless racist comments about Mexicans. Everyone knows he's contributing to the racist hate in America
Wasn't that commented intended to say, if you hate America so much, then leave? Since the women in question, Ihlan Omar being one of them if I recall, being outspokenly detesting of America and the US, despite living there and enjoying its benefits. What comments about Mexicans have been racist? In his recent speech he spoke with much compassion towards Mexican victims of shootings.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard no it was intended to be a racist comment.Seriously? You're really asking what racist comments he's made... when that's all he's done his whole time being President
How do you know though? Because the politicians in question really are icons of contempt against the US as far as I've seen, and Ihlan Omar has also supported Palestinian terrorism and appears to have dubious loyalties. In the context of this I see nothing racist about it. Surely then you can name one or two as examples if there are so many. I recall him speaking about the problems with illegal immigration from Mexico which brings about drug trades and such, but that's true you know. Mexico has enormous drug issues, have had for decades. So I do not see where the racism lies.
Those comments of "go back to where u came from" was about going back to their districts and fixing them before they say anything about trump. Check out each district they they run they are shitholes
@iloveboobs10 no. It was again intended to be telling them to go back to other countries. He 2as being racist and a dick
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard so you're gonna pretend you never heard him call Mexicans rapist and things like that? Which he did multiply times
Before u go any farther go and look up the districts that they run and you will see what everyone is talking about
@iloveboobs10 I know their districts suck ass. And that's not what he was referring to. He was making a racial comment
He did say that about the illegals coming in the the country and raping and killing US citizens
@iloveboobs10 considering that doesn't really happen the fact you can't see he was being a racist is just sad
That's lile me saying them white dudes should have to leave since all they do is shoot up places
You're still not giving any background or evidence to why that is. It isn't so just because you say so. I cannot recall where he's said that all Mexicans are rapists no, but they do stem from a rather tribal culture and rape crimes are extremely high according to statistics, so again, that's just a fact.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard by that dumbass logic then you're a mass shooter and serial killer. Since statically your race is most likely to do those crimes. Especially the first as of late.
What are you talking about? XD And it's ethnicity, not race. Strange that I'd be the racist when you're the one speaking of people in terms of race. It's not a dumbass logic, it's common sense. A country with a trend for illegal immigration where drug trade and rape crime is high, brings about such problems in the country of their migration. The majority of those who take the most illegal routes would presumably be the criminals.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard considering Mexico doesn't have a huge rape crime. And fine you wanna be annoying them your ethnic group is made up of a big percent of mass shooters and serial killers. Yet we can't just ban white dudes. Es0ecially dumb ones who say offensive things about other groups when the ones coming over here a lot of the time aren't commiting crimes and have been dying because of our dumbass President
Malarkey. Criminals are solely responsible for their own actions.
@Liam_Hayden not when they have someone preaching hate about certain groups and increasing the large racist community in America
You need to actually do fact checks kitty. Mexico is on 18th place out of 57 nations examined by statistics. www.nationmaster.com/.../CrimeSo why do we not talk about the rampant crime sprees in run down Latino districts? The gang-culture which always run wild there. The decades long terrorist waves from Islamic fanatics who organize themselves from ISIS to Hezbollah. To say that, "white dudes", are the great offenders in terms of murder and shootings is to really not see the big picture and have a very narrow scope.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard and yet America is number one several list for bad crimes. Yet you're here whining about Mexico lmao
Can I ask you a question? Did u know who trump was before his run as president or before his TV show? If u did u would know he has many friends that have power in this country that are of many different colors including Mexican and black. So ur telling me he's racist because he said go back to where u came from... now if he said go back to ur own country I would agree but he didn't. Another question do you work? And do u still live with ur parents
No, it's not Nr. 1 on any list as I've seen, and if you say that's the case then follow my example and actually substantiate your claims. I've tried to reason with you but short emotional tangents and blind tunnel vision on this issue is all I've received. Of course Mexico is a problem when great levels of illegal immigration, (which is bad in and of itself) occurs to the states and brings about these problems. Why do you refuse to acknowledge such simple facts? It's not about racism.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard we're number one for mass shootings currently, gun ownership. And if you bother to actually look you'd know more. And all I've received from you is racist stereotypes so we're even
@iloveboobs10 yeah I've known who his ass was since I was a kid. Which was again am asshole. Just way less of one. And my dad is a horrible racist. One who beat me for dating someone black. Yet he has black friends. Doesn't make him any less of a racist. And yes I work at a daycare, And yeah I live at home 2 take care of my sick mom
There is no single definition of mass shooting so a coherent statistic of it doesn't exist, ergo, now I know you're just lying. Racist stereotypes? My goodness you're hopeless. No wonder political discourse is nonexistent in the states. You people do not have a rational bone in your body. I'm no means saying that all Mexicans are this or that, but the country does have rampant drug and rape issues, that's the reality. It amazes me how thick people have gone that they cannot differentiate between real racism and observing of facts, and that saying A automatically confers you as a B. It's just tragic.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard mass shooting is normally here in America defined by the killing of 4 people indiscriminately by a shooter. And America has a racist problem because of our President yet you don't wanna admit that's a huge problem here.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard you're really gonna pretend since he's been in office mass shootings haven't gone up extremely high? Shit we're a little over halfway into 2019 and have had over 200. That should show he's not helping the cause at all. And is making it worse
No, Kitty, there is no single American criterion, there are many definitions globally used and none is absolute for statistical examination. Even a Wikipedia article on the subject will tell you that much. You do not have a single thing but your own hollow rants to say that he's racist, when asked to exemplify you only get defensive about me, "not already knowing all he's done".
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard The United States' Congressional Research Service acknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition and defines a "public mass shooting" as an event where someone selects four or more people indiscriminately and kills them, echoing the FBI's definition of the term "mass murder".So no we do basically have a definition sweetie that we use here
And therein lies your fallacy. The statistics covering that issue includes everything from escalated bar brawls to the actual mass shootings of this debate. Accidents as well as intentional. So when you say they've increased, that says very little in actuality. And I cannot find any source stating that they're up to 200.
"The United States' Congressional Research Service acknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition", yes, there we go. I'm four years older than you, "sweetie", so any attempt to belittle me only makes you look stupid. Well, stupider.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard www.google.com/.../number-of-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2019-8That literally took 2 seconds to find... So clearly you aremt even trying
Which brings us back to the comment I just made: The statistics covering that issue includes everything from escalated bar brawls to the actual mass shootings of this debate. Accidents as well as intentional. So when you say they've increased, that says very little in actuality.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard you can't accidentally kill 4 people. So no it doesn't. As again we have a way to define it. As I just told You, or are we ginna pretend that's not the bases America uses
However yes, I do acknowledge myself corrected on the number of mass shootings. Thing is, when comparing to years as far back as 2014, before Trump, it looks just the same. Loads, countless of shootings.
But the gun violence archive itself gives sources to the incidents listed and they include countless of simple bar fights, and if you actually look at the nr. of people killed section, there are dozens of incidents where none was killed, so what gives?
Here, this one for example, a random incident I pulled up the details on, the specifics of the shooting listed: "Dispute over tax return with security guard leads man to pull gun and start shooting. Woman involved turned herself in." and four people were *injured* not killed.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard everytownresearch.org/.../So no. Again it's gone up
You're kind of ignoring what we were really talking about now, and deferring back to what we already established.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard www.brennancenter.org/.../trumps-tweets-are-more-wordswww.google.com/.../donald-trump-racist-racism-historyI could keep going
And when he mocked the mentally disabled reporter
And now you're deflecting by changing the subject.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard no. Just pointing out another example if him being a jerk
Being a jerk doesn't make him racist
@iloveboobs10 I already posted links to show his racist behavior so
Yeah, completely deflecting. We were talking about how mass shootings entail loads of instances non-related to white supremacist/racist murder, and dozens if not hundreds of cases where no one dies. Seems you can't handle being wrong you so promptly shift the focus. And boobs is right, jerk is not racist. And the news site you gave I already read, and the tweets aren't racist.
@kittycat119 Trump supporters aren't swayed by logic. Anything you can tell them they've already seen and ignored. They'll ignore any evidence that paints Trump in a negative light. They'll claim he's never made pro-violence comments like "knock the crap out of him, will you? I promise you, I will pay your legal fees." They'll claim he's never made racist statements while he attacks everyone of color around him. They'll say he was just pointing out the problems with places, while he does so non-constructively. He'll accuse colored people of theft while he stays in his own hotels and charges the government huge fees for the security and spend all of his damn time golfing on our time. He'll call our own cities shitholes while calling Russian cities great. His supporters will ignore "grab her by the pussy" and "I moved in on her like a bitch." He's not sexist at all, of course.These people have already heard the evidence. They just don't care. And there is a strange skew of pro-Trump men on this site for whatever reason.You already had it right in your original post. www.facebook.com/.../?type=3&theater
@holograph A good example of a long comment that really doesn't say anything. Just rambling.
Trump quotes in a post and he's literally unable to see them. lol. You keep believing what fits your own narrative man. I know you're pissed at the system but breaking everything by electing Trump isn't the mature response.
@holograph Yes, what could possibly be more credible a source than a satirical image on facebook. You people are too ludicrous to even waste energy on. Good evening to you sir!
That's interesting you know how I feel better than myself. You don't even live in the US and you know this somehow.
That's not at all what he's been doing, he's condemned white supremacy multiple times over. The Dayton Shooter was also an Antifa radical leftist who hated Republicans
@Ethanyaboi16 Yeah but they want Trump to be racist so bad in their hearts to fit their world view. They are not close to objective. Their whole party is based on seeing others as evil racists and themselves as victims. That is like oxygen for their body. The NEED that. You'd have to put them through a drug type rehab of reality to cure that degree of brainwashing. They have no idea of this as well.
@cavmanier unfortunately he's not
@FelixGotrek he's clearly not really racist. Democrats have a very low standard of who fits their view of being racist though. If you are white and male you are probably racist to them, at least to half of them. Their modern version of racism seems to be anybody that disagrees with them. As a pass Democrat myself, it's actually quite sad to see the shitfest the party has become. It's basically the hate white people party at least subconsciously.
Are you saying that you don't think Trump influenced, for example, the El Paso shooting?
He's emboldening them if you believe the distorted narrative by the left. In reality, he has no intent to cause hate crimes and if someone gets that from them, they have their own separate interpretation issues. It's not different than the liberal that did the other recent shooting that the media wants to not over as soon as they found his political beliefs. It's the same as the Bernie supporter than tried to kill republican politicians at the political softball game that they majority media tries to ignore as well. It is actually different than democrat politicians encouraging public discord due to opposite political beliefs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJCDe7vdFfw The liberal media is trying to pump their ignorant bias. I'm not even a republican. I used to be liberal before their craziness. I can't follow their bull now.
"It’s because he’s so effective in effecting other changes in America"He's effective in effecting what other changes precisely? He's done squat. Not to mention I'd ask assuming from your pic, how exactly is his xenophobic racist tirades effecting anything positively? And doesn't such language affect you to? Go back home, go back home - I'm sure you remember that.
What would you change about accessibility?
The topic is gun violence I simply had given an opinion maybe I don’t care because this is not my home country really?I can just very well go back to New Zealand with my son. It’s not even something I wish to elaborate apart from what others have reportedly said about him vs Obama.My fault that’s why politics doesn’t interest me unless it affects me. Currently no so if you like fighting bang your head against the fucking wall. Don’t come to pick on others with your unsolicited reply. Did I engage you specifically?
@Oram52 I am so tired of every democrat calling people that don't agree with them a racist! Trump told the four women to go back where they came from if they thought this country was so bad. It had nothing to do with color as he would have said it to anyone that hated this country as much as they do. Stop watching conspiracy networks like MSNBC and CNN!
@smg99 if that was directed at me, I was simply curious.
@smg99I was merely following on from something you mentioned, I wasn't trying to pick on anyone. What in my reply did you find as such?"It’s because he’s so effective in effecting other changes in America" - I was surprised by this as he hasn't been any effective at all, and very divisive.But it was related to question itself, one of the shooters is white supremacist, he's charged with domestic terrorism. That's where the connection to blaming Trump came from. Did Trump's xenophobic racist tirades had any connection. That's why I mentioned the recent incident people shouting Go back home at Trump rally.
@Paige90 I'm not a Democrat but the fact you think having any basic human decency is Democrat thing. CNN and MSNBC are conspiracy theories yet Fox News is what epitome of journalism? Maybe instead you should inform yourself with other News sources instead of being stuck in your own bubble. The very fact you take go back so lightly. Here's the thing 3 out of 4 of them are AMERICANS, born in America. I don't support them as they are socialists, I am opposed to Socialism. BUT raising concerns about issues about condition of the country is something they are suppose to do. Instead of Trump supporters who put their heads in the sand, blame immigrants for everything and still give cult like devotion to Trump when he has done absolutely nothing for same said people. Maybe instead of pathetic excuses why not start becoming sick and tired of xenophobia and racism. Instead of Trump zombies making one pathetic excuse after another for his xenophobic tirades, why not have basic human decency and get sick and tired of racism? What would the Bible say? 65% of Americans said Trump's comments were racist, only 47% of Republicans said they were racist. 57% instead agreeing with Trump. How about Republicans getting tough on racism instead? You're passionately sick and tired of Trump being called a racist yet don't seem to have any such passion for dehumanization of people by Trump? If it looks like a duck quacks like a duck its a DUCK. Its racist, plain and simple.
@TheKack no no not at you sorry
@Oram52 I actually understand you now far better than the first reply sorry. But it was the time I felt aggressive.I’m not fond of conflict actually I do my best to avoid it.
But somehow get defensive
That would be an interesting narrative, if the Dayton Ohio shooter wasn't an avid Bernie and Elizabeth Warren fan. You should probably be careful about accusing someone before you know what they believe
I'm not accusing anyone and why should I be careful, that sounds like a threat of violence
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that at all!I just meant that there are so many accusations going around, it's better to speak carefully.as to whether or not you are accusing anyone, I was only referencing the fact that you said they believe they are serving their Messiah Trump. That does not apply to the Dayton Ohio shooter
Perhaps Trumpf had some influence but he can't be blamed at all at least legally so pretty much a non-starter
@buttcrackjoe - reading the posts and manifestos of several of the shooters, it is obvious that Trump had major influence on them. Some of them actually believed they were serving him by wiping out people has shown hatred to. Shows a LOT of influence, so he can be blamed. And courts have ruled in many cases that people who influence people to commit crimes CAN be held legally liable.
And the guy that shot Steve Scalise quoted Bernie Sanders and was a Sanders supporter. The guy that did the Dayton shooting was a Warren/Sanders supporter and a democrat and so was the El Paso shooter. There were a lot more shooting during Obama's administration and no one blamed Obama. To blame it on Trump is being extremely naive.
@Paige90 Did they quote Sanders or Warren in their manifestos though? No matter who they support, white nationalism is a very big problem. At least Australia has the balls to say it. www.smh.com.au/.../...-crisis-20190804-p52do1.htmlAnd according to the same article, "These are the same flames Trump fans with his dehumanising discourse. It is no coincidence that far-right extremists were responsible for 100 per cent of all terrorist attacks on US soil since the end of 2017, according to the Anti-Defamation League, and why hate crimes against Jews, Muslims, and other minorities are at unprecedented levels." Oh there was more shootings under Obama? Let me do the math for you. Obama left office in 2016. Trump took office next. He has been in office for two years. 2019 minus 2 is 2017. Whether you like it or not, this is true.
Lol you do realize mass shootings have been happening well before trump was president right
Yes but they escalated dramatically after he took office. That’s demonstrably the case and most of them have been known to hold his views.
They're not blaming him as in he pulled the trigger or is directly responsible. They are blaming him for his rhetoric which fuels such hate. Xenophobia, bigotry, racism - Go back home Go back home. I'm sure you remember those chants. His quick to blame video games yet his rhetoric has no actions? The guy was white supremacist terrorist such rhetoric just fuels such hate, and just makes things even worse.Funny how people blaming Trump for his racism are ignorant yet Trump with all his rhetoric is not? Trump need no enlightening with all his xenophobia and racist rhetoric? When are we going to call duck a duck?
@Oram52 "They're not blaming him as in he pulled the trigger or is directly responsible. They are blaming him for his rhetoric which fuels such hate"Could easily say the same for both Obama and Sanders. Until that day comes, you can't in good conscience make that argument uniquely to Trump. It's as plain as day that it's another case of trying to hold a republican to a separate standard than democrats. It's literally the same thing. Biden saying "they want to put y'all back in chains" and other rhetoric like that which happened under obama. If you're not going to talk about that in the same way you do Trump now. Then you have no business making that argument. Just to clarify, when I say you I don't literally mean you lol. Just people who are vocalizing Trump has any blame in this whatsoever.
How exactly did Sanders or Obama's rhetoric had any correlation? Trump's rhetoric has correlation.I agree with you on identity politics, had people like Obama, Biden not resort to identity politics Trump wouldn't be here. In this case it has correlation with Trump getting elected, at least one of the variables.Same way Trump's Xenophobic, racist rhetoric has correlation with white supremacy. They are not blaming Trump for Mass shooting or White Supremacist Terrorist pulling the trigger. They are blaming Trump for fueling an environment where such anti-immigrant sentiments or such sentiments against other races and religions are allowed to foster. Distinction here being he's the PRESIDENT. Trump's rhetoric pours gas on fire, deliberately provoking such hysteria and racism. If President is doing it why would it not be acceptable for other people? His actions are being correlated specifically white supremacist terrorist attack. He's being charged with domestic terrorism. Trump is being blamed in connection with racist rhetoric he's the PRESIDENT. He was quick to blame video games, video games seem to have imaginary correlation with terrorist mass shooting. Yet his racist rhetoric has no correlation?Go back home. Go back home. People shouting at his rally. It has no correlation at all?
@Oram52 The most readily available answer off the top of my head. Sanders said that Republicans are trying to kill people and want to see them dead, when speaking about their position of being against free government healthcare. Shortly thereafter a gunman shot up Republican Senators at some softball event they had in a park. Forget which Senator had to go to the hospital for his gun wounds. But it was a direct correlation even more so to that of Trump's rhetoric. And not a single person said anything about blaming Sanders or that his rhetoric was responsible or even partly responsible for the actions of the shooter. Highly publicized event if you want to look it up for yourself if you don't immediately remember it yourself.
@Oram52 I have to remind myself what Obama said before the Dallas shooter. Going to look that up now, but it was pretty straight up in terms of rhetoric
@Oram52 Obama said police departments were systemically racist against black people, then the Dallas shooter (whom was black) shot up police officers among other civilians he hit as well thereafter. Again. Obama made a claim using his rhetoric, someone reacts shortly thereafter. No one was saying Obama was to blame nor partly to blame. Tho I'd concede that I'm sure some on Fox news likely attempted to do so, because that is commonly done from people on the left. I don't know that to be true tho. If you go back you might find the opposite and see fox news reps saying that he wasn't to blame for it. But using it to point out that Obama's rhetoric is dividing rather than unifying, because the narrative was that Obama was a great unifier. When in reality he was divisive.