Are you pro-life?
@mistixs , Pro life ? Depends if that puts me in a certain box no ,I'm not from the USA and I would never stand at the front of an abortion clinic , if that's what you are asking. But , it takes two to make a child , and I certainly don't believe in " abortion on demand " because " I don't want to have it " , that simply does not bear fruit.If you despise your actions that much , have the child adopted , for you will change your mind later. A friend of mine who had an abortion at 23 years old ( Twins ) adamant then that she " knew best " now suffers silently for her decision.Long answer short , not pro - life , but no pro-death either.
Gee that bloke sounds absolutely crazy bitch.
Ok I can agree here on one thing. Some women are in it for the right reason... equality, but the ones who are bashing the male gender for not being gay or for self gain are truly not in it for the right reason
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Respect for others is not a lack of self respect.
Found the male feminist
And b. t. w., I loved getting fucked by wife's strap on, and my girlfriend's strap on.
Well put 👌
@MajesticTwelve how about the thought that male feminists are more respectful and considerate of other people, both men and women?What specifically do you have against feminists so much?
@differentpixel Modern feminists strive for "women empowerment". They don't work for male empowerment. That in it of itself is being inconsiderate of males. In my opinion, these male feminists aren't being respectful of themselves.
I'm in favour of equality, where women are treated equally, and with respect. How's that not respecting myself?And no, I don't "act all feminist" to get in anyone's pants?
Just from my experience and what I've seen, it's a lot harder to be a man in today's world than a women.
Truth. Fiminism doesn't define the man
My view exactly , very succinct and well worded.I grew up with three sisters , all older than me , I always had respect for women then I start getting all this shoved down my throat everyday , it turns me around. Ohhh :(
I full understand that I was adopted into a family full of women and they would always teach me to be kind to women but not to be a pushed over by them
Can you give an example of a struggle women go through? I'm not aware of any struggle for women
@Trolloween It depends on the woman and it depends where she lives. I mean in the U. S. our struggles now are pretty limited. Our biggest struggle might be sexual assault or sexual harassment in the work place, etc. In other countries women are not allow to go anywhere without their male family members permission. In some countries women who are raped have to marry their rapists. Maybe the girls are denied schooling, Things like that. We tend to think only in western countries mind set.
Yes I was thinking western as that's where feminism is always discussed. I agree Islamic countries are horrible to women and basically anyone who isn't a Muslim man.The issue I have with the sexual harassment statement is that its been illegal for decades to be inappropriate at work or anywhere, any man who is even accused of wrongdoing has his life ruined and certainly will be fired. However you are probably aware women always get away with behaviour no man would, it's seen as playful jokes if it's a girl vs a man and even when the man makes a complaint it isn't taken seriously. Men are also almost 50% of abuse victims yet are never helped, often the response is to laugh and call them a pussy. We live in a society where boys are told that just by being male they are evil rapists and everything masculine is toxic. We offer no help or support for men despite the number one cause of death for men under 50 is suicide. Women are always hired over more qualified men in many fields and we even change the education system to better suit girls at the expense of boys - shown by the fact there are far more women going to uni. Women also have more legal rights than men and of course always get the children, alimony and so forth in a divorce. Women even get shorter prison sentences or no sentence at all for the same crimes. Women get to solely decide if a baby is kept too. And yet, apparently it is women who struggle and all we hear about is women, unless you want to be called a misogynist of course. Bit of a long rant sorry but I am just so baffled women think they are victims somehow when they have all the advantages in the world. Always helped, always prioritised in every possible sense.
@Trolloween There are more women going to college than men so it eventually might cause an issue in the future. I don't think it has to do with lower standards as much as women being more motivated than some young men to get themselves secure with their careers. Many would like to have secure careers by their mid to late 20s so they can have children if they want or whatever their goals are.We do have better laws in place but as a woman and a mom of a daughter I know that in a moment our lives could changed if we are raped. Coming home last night at 12:45 am after a meetup was uncomfortable walking from my car to my front door. There are always those few minutes of being uncomfortable until the front door is locked.Not all Muslim men are backward my ex wasn't but maybe he's a rarity. I know in my age group there would be very few other Muslim men I could tolerate. On the suicide part. It is extremely hard sometimes to get one's male partner to go get help for depression and other mental health issues. I personally am not around women who tell the men in their lives to buck up. I mean my ex husband cried and I never thought badly of him. I knew when he got to the crying stage it was bad.I do think men do get a bad rap. There are bad men just like there are bad women but it doesn't make the entire male population toxic. Women should have equal punishments for the same crime and I've noticed in the U. S. that women are finally getting prison time for sex crimes. That is a step forward.
I didn't say it was lower standards, I meant they changed the way subject's are taught ams graded to better suit women. This was openly discussed and done for this reason, one example people grades were based more on essays and written skills rather than exam/practical skills which favours women over men who tend to do better in these areas. While of course men tend to be better at exams, not sure why this is exactly. I don't believe men are unmotivated to have good careers, we are heavily judged on our ability to provide and most women would openly admit they wouldn't be with a man who doesn't earn enough money.Fear of rape is indeed terrible and not something I can relate to. But on this similar note it has to be acknowledged it is astonishingly rare to be randomly assaulted on your way home, men for example receive over 80% of all violent attacks. I also know it isn't on the same level but being constantly treated like you are a rapist and pedo is pretty shitty to live with too. I have seen lost kids and wouldn't dare approach to help, neither did any other man because we know how we would be treated. Just awkward eye contact with each other until a woman came near. Maybe women don't appreciate how shit that feels, but trust me it does impact our lives and some parents for example have a particularly hard time just wanting to play with their kids in a park.It's awkward for men to get help because of stigma which is an issue for sure. There also needs to be actual help offered though, for example homeless women get homes, there are hundreds of safe houses for women and I believe there is only one in the whole UK for men. Why is this? Why are men allowed to be cast into the streets while women are bumped to the top of the list? I agree with your last paragraph, but you can see the point that there are genuine legal and social issues that are prejudice towards men and not a single legal disadvantage for women, yet we never hear about men's issues ever.
@Trolloween I'd say rape and sexual assault is pretty common with women. Men and boys are less reported partially due to societal stigma. It is true that in cases like robbery of a couple the man is more likely to be killed. Non sexual violent assaults are more against men but violent sexual assaults are higher with women.Homeless women are generally more vulnerable to attack on the streets because of size differences between men and women.
Pretty common? Nearly all rape is committed by a partner, people grabbing strangers off the street is so incredibly rare it's totally irrational to worry about. It's not just robbery, overall men won't hit a woman or even defend themselves against a woman attacking them. We also know if there was an armed robbery with hostages the police would negotiate to save women first. Not a huge deal given the likelihood, but there are just so many examples where women are given priority it's bizarre to me feminists can say it's a patriarchal society.There are men who are small, weak or old but it's their gender that's being measured not their strength. I am not arguing its right or wrong necessarily just pointing out some of the many, many ways women have privelege which made me question how you can think women are victims and suffering. If feminists want equality then the result has to be equality, not female superiority because of size or any other reason because the whole feminist argument is that women are equal. I don't agree with this, for example as women aren't as physically strong it is obvious they cannot be as good as men at some physical jobs. But for equalities sake the standards are lowered for women only. Meaning women are being paid equal money for non-equal work and potentially not fit for purpose. I know that if my family was trapped in a burning building I want a fit strong man to break down the door and carry them out. Not a bunch of 5' something women. Seriously look at the training videos showing female fire fighters being unable to break a door... not good.
@Trolloween I mean a man could be an uber driver or a co worker or a person at one's church. Of course, it doesn't have to be a stranger. I"m saying it is always a present danger whether women are thinking about or not. www.rainn.org/.../perpetrators-sexual-violence I mean 20% are strangers and 39% acquaintances so that's still 59% that are not considered a friend or family member.There should be basic physical qualifications to be a fire fighter. An over weight male might not be qualified to do the job were as a woman who is more fit might be.
It's still incredibly rare, I am just saying constantly being treated like I am sexual predator isn't fair or nice to live with since I've never harmed or would harm anyone. Rapists should be castrated so they can't do it again since it's very often one man raping hundreds of women instead of a hundred individual men.There are qualifications to be a fire fighter or be in the military or other physical job, that is my point. The issue is that very few women could pass so they lowered the standards for women. Some women can do it fine, but to lower the standard which was clearly there for a reason is crazy to me. Especially if they want equal pay.
@Trolloween the fire fighter fight has been going on for the last 30 to 40 years. It is not fair that your judged as a male but to be honest in many ways as a woman I can't always put my guard down. I mean I don't flinch when a man passes by but I'm aware when men around and at night we keep our distance. It may feel personal but we just have to be safe.
I do get that to an extent, but I do believe a lot of it is the paranoia caused by lies about rape culture. We obviously don't live in a rape culture, rape gets one of the longest possible prison sentences, one of the most despised crimes and rapists often get murdered in prison or out.On a similar theme though, if men say never to get married because all women are gold diggers, hide your money, get a prenup and so forth you'd probably think that's a pretty jaded man who went through a bad divorce. But imagine if nearly every single man said this and we treated every single action you take as a possible way to take our money. It would feel pretty shitty being constantly and openly treated like scum just for your gender. It's like that for men but far worse, we're labelled rapists and pedos as mentioned but this for some reasons is totally socially acceptable. You can see social experiments on YouTube showing a man vs a woman in various situations, like taking photos on the beach for example. If a man does it the police are there quickly asking him what he's up to. It's really sickening.
@Trolloween I think most women have some experience with some sort of boundaries being crossed. I had an extreme groping situation in a Jr high math class and that boy went on to do that to other people. And when I would go to a bar I'd get a pat on the backside as I walked by the standing bar section. My daughter said it was pretty common in high school. With the years we just get more and more experiences along the way and some women unfortunately experience rape. We do have a problem with rape if a woman is getting raped every minute in the U. S. You said something about the U. K. I'm not sure how it differs there but In the U. S. the men who attack us can have guns, knives, tasers whatever they want to have to disable us. Just about anyone can get a gun. In the U. K. I'm sure there is a lot less gun availability. Here where I live most people have guns or have used gun. A woman can't do much when a man has a gun.
Yeah I haven't implied it doesn't happen, just that it's extremely rare for a woman to be attacked. Depends on where you live but similarly its so terribly unlikely someone will break into your house and kill you but I know people are hyper paranoid about that in America too and all want guns in their bedside table. But also women do grope men in clubs all the time, when I was in uni and we went to clubs and bars I would get my arse or crotch groped almost every time we went out.The absolute best prevention or rape is to not drink alcohol, 50% of victims are drunk and so are 50% of attackers.
@Trolloween raped may be rare but sexual touching at some point in a girls or woman's life is pretty much the norm at least once. There is no way a woman leaves without something happening. My mom back in the 1950s got off a city bus after a shift at the hospital. A man in a car started driving along side of her telling her what he was going to do to her. She ran to house and luckily the door was unlocked. She told the couple inside what had happened. All women experience some sort of violation. It is just part of our lives.
@Trolloween I think the female groping is something new in the last 20 years. It's the uglier side of women trying to be like men. That wasn't what the feminist movement was about.
Yes and it happens to most men too, that was the point I was making is that it isn't unique to women. More serious offences happen more to women outside of prisons but it absolutely is not the case that its a purely female problem (there are more male rape victims if you include prison, another issue people just ignore and make jokes about like it's perfectly acceptable for a civilised country to use rape as a normal part of punishment/rehabilitation). The same is true with domestic abuse which is about 50/50 but women use weapons far more often.I am not trying to argue women don't have issues, I am merely saying men have either the same issues, comparable ones or in many cases far worse. We all have problems with other humans, but what I really don't think is helpful is to have a 100% narrative that only focuses on the issues of one group and ignoring the other. Even attacking men's groups for discussing men's issues around suicide and divorce, such gatherings are protested as misogyny and bomb threats are called to cancel them.
I also think it's only harmful for women to see themselves as victims. It produces nothing good and just infantalises them like they can't possibly cope in life if they don't have men giving them extra help. Sounds extremely counter-feminist but over and over again this is exactly the message feminists are spouting
There's a chance they also eat the post-gangbang creampies right from their girlfriends or wives as well.
Damn that was funny as hell
Kind of a geographical thing, most of the world is religious and conservative unless you live in Canada or certain Central European countries. I’ve travelled probably more than you.
@Year3000 I don't give a shit if you travel? and I don't agree with that just because you travel to a country doesn't mean everyone is conservative and agrees on the same things.
Yeah everyone is conservative outside of Canada and Europe. I live in the us and I’ve never met someone liberated socially or sexually most people have 1 or sex partners and you can get fired for being gay in most states.
Well, he won't be getting any. Chicks dig masculine dudes, like Tony DiNozzo. They hate losers like the dude in the picture.
@CaptainSmartass very true, they always get likes but never the actual pussy. as hard as women try to deny what you just said their actions will always speak louder than their words in the end.
Wait what does feminism have to do with race?
@Prof_DonMale Feminists tend to be white and middle class, witha few Jews thrown in.
Yeah screw feminists they are a cancer upon society (not sorry)
EXACTLY!! I get so aggravated and I feel second hand embarassment for theses females out here making themselves look like fools. I understand the equality stuff but they act like they can force it onto men to be a certain way towards women and it's obviously not gonna have any affect. Like they continuously overdo the feminism thing and most people aren't even worried about it. Like its good to have a cause that you care about but it gets out of line when you start demeaning someone who isn't the same gender as you. That's just dumb. I'm sorry about ur experience with an immature female. Smh...
And your exactly right. Some people just wanna drop there beliefs on people and expect everyone to go with it like no I'm a human aswell I have my own opinion. And it's ok I deal with ignorance everyday
Exactly. Just a shame
@jinswatermelon... Spot on , and good to see young people thinking clearly.
Because male feminists treat us better
Would you have a male feminist partner/husband, or do you just like them because they treat you better?
I do have a partner that supports feminism.
Ok. What specific aspects of feminism do you support?
Affordable and accessible birth control, abortion rights, redefining gender roles, women’s empowerment, justice for rape and sexual assault victims.
What if I said i support men's empowerment. If I openly campaigned for that I would get doxxed. I get you though
I would support men’s empowerment
if your partner is a feminist man then i guess you use strap-ons a lot in your intimate relationship
Can you give an example of any legal right or privelege a man has that a woman doesn't? Or even socially, where are men priveleged?
@Trolloween how about a simple example. As a man, I can be perfectly nonchalant and walk home late at night, say a 30min walk. How about you? How about asking your female friends?
Well considering men are the victims of 80% of all violent attacks I would say that it is mostly irrational for all women to be so afraid. But I do understand this and I would walk my girlfriend home from work every day so she felt safe. Likewise a woman can go to a park or help a lost child without feeling scared she will be labelled a pedo or can walk home at night around other humans without being considered a rapist. I am not saying issues don't exist, just that there isn't some systemic or conspiratorial agenda against women. I think men have it worse legally and socially we suffer many issues too, better we work together instead of only focusing on women and shaming men for trivial things like the way we sit.
@Trolloween How about how you can dress however you want and won’t be judged as a slut or the reason why you were raped? How about how you can sleep with whoever you want and you won’t be shamed?Legal privileges is the gender wage gap which, as much as people love to say it, has not been debunked.
I've never been considered a rapist by others, for walking hone late at night.OK, how about young girls being subjected to wolf-whistling (catcalling)? Is it OK in your view for men (over the age of 18) to do this to young girls (say, under the age of 14). I bet you'll have some impressive statistic to counter this example too, so I won't bother to quote how many young girls I personally know who've subjected to this.Would you be OK if this were your younger sister or other relative, who suffered this? Or it's not a bit deal?
You'll need a source for the 80% stat you quoted. And make it clear if it's inclusive of sexual assaults against women or not.
Tell your girlfriend to "grow up" and cast aside her irrational thoughts about being assaulted. See if she has all good experiences for just a week, walking home alone. Or are you living in some sort of absurd denial about the privileges that men enjoy?
@Trolloween Who is shaming men? Telling men that they are privileged but also suffer is not shaming them. That’s fact. That’s as if telling white people in America that they are privileged but also can suffer under various social issues (such as police brutality) is shaming white people. That makes no sense.Additionally Feminism is about the end of patriarchy while bringing awareness of how EVERYONE suffers under it. Males too. I also disagree about men having it worse (especially since it is subjective). Women are harassed and killed for even denying a dating request but men suffer from emotional constipation that can result in violence. It’s apples and oranges to me: it can’t be compared.
* age of eighteen (was meant in catcalling post of mine above)
@auroraroseat OK sure some people will judge a scantily dressed girl as a slut... So what? Is anyone forcing you to dress a certain way? What if I dressed like a douche bag and people thought i was a douche? Do I then get to complain some people judge me? It is not a female issue to feel like you need to dress a certain way to fit in and avoid judgement.Men are called fuck boys instead of sluts. Definitely not without shame from women.The gender pay gap doesn't exist, more accurately its the baby pay gap. Women actually make more than men until about 30, then women who choose to have children make less. It's because of men staying at their job and getting the higher paying positions that creates the gap, it is absolutely not women being paid less. Paying women less is illegal and if companies could they would and would only hire women. Ironically its women who can legally be paid the same for unequal work by lowering standards for physically demanding jobs solely for women.
@differentpixel how do you know that you haven't scared women because you happened to walk near them? They wouldn't ask you, they'd quickly walk away and think you could rape them because of your gender.Wolf whistling is a pretty gross thing, don't know why you think I'd deny things like this don't exist. What I am saying is yeah sure some bad stuff happens to women, but it also happens to men. I asked for examples of male privelege and the best you can do is say some women get wolf whistled a bit... I am saying the number one cause of death for men under 50 is suicide, that there is only one shelter for men in the UK whilst there are hundreds for women, that men are made homeless while women get put to the top of the list, that male victims of violence and sexual assault are not only not taken seriously but are openly laughed at. A man who is stabbed by his girlfriend would be arrested instead of her of he left a red mark on her wrists trying to retrain her, this isn't an exaggeration either it has happened.But the wolf whistle thing, sure women are definitely feeling the worst of it while they get sole custody of their children and everyone is so nice to them just for being a girl. There are actually videos on YouTube showing a man being wolf whistled way more than a girl by the way but it's hardly scientific so not my main argument here.
@differentpixel you can Google for sources if you want, let me know if find any legit source that proves me wrong and I'll change my point of view.I already told you I walked her home daily, I haven't denied at all that women feel fear have I? Try and be civil because you sound like you're just making straw man arguments to make yourself look good somehow when I am just being reasonable
@Trolloween how many young boys do you know who've been subjected to catcalling?Both my niece (age 14) and a friends daughter (13) have had it happen more than once. Grown men. Driving past in cars.Where are your sources, if you're going to say this happens to girls less than boys?
You quoted the 80% I was simply asking where you got it from. The onus isn't upon me to prove your own argument.
Where was I not being civil?I invited you to explain to your girlfriend that she was being irrational?That's not being civil?Just offer to track her journey via google maps, as she walks home.
I am not sure you actually read my reply if that is your response, the one where my second paragraph starts with 'wolf whistling is a pretty gross thing'... I have no idea where you're getting the idea that I so much as implied young boys get harassed more than girls. I didn't say it.
You want to talk about privilege? How about most people who commit suicide are men. How about in most court cases men lose child custody to women. How about most prison are men. Your privilege argument is ridiculous. I don't consider suicide a privilege, and neither should you
People in prison*
And can you please point out specifically my strawman arguments? I used two very specific examples of male privilege, which you'd originally asked for.
@Trolloween you said "some bad stuff happens to women, it also happens to men" regarding catcalling.I was just asking if you'd ever met boys who'd suffered it. That's all. I know personally plenty (most/all) of my female friends have suffered it.
OK your last reply is a strawman as you are making it sound like I denied wolf whistling happens more to women. Then again before that implying I would tell my girlfriend to walk alone after I clearly said I walk her because I know she is scared. I say it is irrational because it is so rare, most crimes happen to younger people by other younger people at a rate of less than 0.5% of people as far as I can recall stats wise. That includes all assault by the way not just rape. Acting like it is likely and that all men are rapists is not the right way to help lower the number of victims in my opinion.I replied to your examples showing that legally women have far more rights than men, there are a thousand tiny trivial ways men and women have different advantages and disadvantages that won't just disappear because it's part of our dna and evolution. Women being the choosers for example means they are going to be more judged for sleeping with anyone they can than a man. Maybe that isn't fair but we can do what we can legally to make sure everyone is as equal as possible, knowing that socially nothing is perfect.But yes I do have an issue in the overwhelming narrative being that men are priveleged when the worst example you can give is wolf whistling and I na list several examples where men's lives are literally threatened and no one gives a shit. You didn't even reply to my comments about suicide, homelessness, drug addiction, prison sentences. The fact is is that when a man had an issue, the man is blamed. Like 'well they should see a doctor if depressed its their own fault' but when a woman has any issue at all everyone will white Knight to make sure she feels better and that it could never be her fault. For example you can reduce rape by 50% by not drinking alcohol, but that's victim blaming for women isn't it?
Yea we are not all privillaged I had to work hard for whatever I have nobody handed me anything
@TavionRiley You are still privileged via your gender. How hard you work has nothing to do with if. That’s like various whites saying that they aren’t privileged because of their skin. Look up what privilege is and you see that men do have unfair advantages.
The only example you have is women who dress in a slut uniform are called sluts. Also a gender pay gap fallacy. You really have to do better than that before claiming some systemic privelege exists.
I don't think she understands that the poor also happen to be white as well.
and i know for a fact feminism is like religion to some of these men. just because their mommies were feminists they were raised as feminists too
Both women and men should work and pick up the slack. Men need attention and support as much as women. Women have the right to be sexual as much as men. I really don’t see how feminism works against men :S
@victoriaxoxo need you need to take a hard look at the world the answers are staring at your face
@victoriaxoxo Then you missed the turn feminism took the last few years.
I think a part of feminism branched off into something else, the way it sometimes happens with social movements. Doesn’t mean that feminism overall needs to be scrapped. That is like scrapping healthcare because plastic surgery has become a thing. I really don’t understand the kind of people who immediately think ‘oh this self proclaimed feminist accused a guy of rape for staring at her, well it only makes sense that all other women shouldn’t be allowed to drive/vote/not be sexually assaulted/own land. Like how do you even make that jump?
@victoriaxoxo See, that's funny because it's always the same stuff. "Nah, those feminists are just a minority, they are nothing, it's just one or 2 deviants..."But then when you look at the reality and not the pleasant dream you're living in, you realize that the "minority" actually took over the movement, without much resistance from the rest of the herd, and are actually changing thing to fit their twisted and hateful way.Because that's what modern feminism is. A sexist and racist movement whose only target is white males, while of course protecting all the others, no matter how bad toward women they are (which is funny when you see feminists protecting islam and its practices, including totally covering women, or when you see them defending migrants against the women they just sexually assaulted).And any reason is good to attack white males. And if they can't find one, they'll make up one.Which wouldn't be too serious if those idiots were just ignored, but that's the thing. Not only they took over feminism as a whole, but they made sure, through violence, threats, censorship and guilt, that everyone listen to them and do whatever they want, including medias and politicians.And unless you were living under a rock for the past 10 years, you know it. Now, do you agree with it or not, that I don't know. But that's how it is today.
I think you’ve read too many fake news. Looking at the ‘real world’ our society is not controlled by crazy radical feminists, not even close. You make it sound like I’d walk onto the street and see men pulling carts with these feminists sitting there whipping them. In reality most adults don’t even dabble in these sorta discussions. The rest that do just sorta live their life and drag their ideology with them if it fits. You’re looking at examples of really odd cases where something is said or done by an extremist and generalising the whole movement to be exactly that. Mostly women I know are feminists and they are really chill about it. Literally just go out and observe how people interact...
@victoriaxoxo What you have locally is irrelevant with what happened nationally. Truth is, feminists did quite a few fucked up shit, supported by the medias and politicians. That's how it is.If you're ok with it, that's your problem. That doesn't make it less fucked up.
It literally matters more. Nationally, in this context, literally means nothing more but what media focuses on. Media focuses on weird shit. You’re not find a newspaper writing articles about ‘actually men and women have been getting in OK’. I think it is more important to look at what MOST people believe and not what some baloney sausage says.
@victoriaxoxo Except when that sausage is listened by the ones who hold the power. Who cares about what you think, if those who can change things never listen to you?Cool, you think that men and women are equal. That didn't stop the feminazi to turn most universities in retarded PC area where they can literally ask to ban men at some hours, some places or even days, and that with any consequences.You could be 10.000 against one feminazi, if this one is the one frind with medias and politicians, she has more power than you.
No they don’t. Literally I’m pretty sure if extreme feminists gain power (somehow), men and women would team up to fight them. I don’t know a single woman who would actually want to achieve some of these things the extremists believe. Don’t believe the hype.
@victoriaxoxo Oh so you've been really living under a rock for years. I can't believe you're so oblivious to what happens.