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The conservative political philosopher Michael Oakeshott once said, "The pedigree of every political ideology shows it to be the creature, not of premeditation in advance of political activity, but of meditation upon a manner of politics." This is why people will often think that they are not, for example, conservative or liberal when, in truth, they are actually reflecting long established ideas.The classic example - in fact one seen elsewhere on this page - is "I am fiscally conservative, but socially liberal." In truth, such a position is libertarian. "That government is best which governs least." A government that limits its spending and taxing and thereby minimizes its interventions in the economy, while at the same time is limiting its interventions in people's individual lives in questions such as marriage, abortion and the like.American political parties - which are not ideological as you tend to see in Europe, but are rather lose knit coalitions of factions that have come together in part through common interest and in part by historical accident. Moreover, what Americans call conservative and liberal are, when traced back to the intellectual predicates in the European Enlightenment, actually two competing strands of liberalism. Two branches of the same tree, so to speak.Put it all together and what you then end up with is individuals who think that they are drawing a little from each side of the partisan and philosophical aisle, when in fact they actually, by default, are within a very well defined and coherent philosophical whole. See also the libertarian example above.For my part, I am a conservative - but in what historical terms would be the classical or Tory tradition. Thus, I seem to draw my ideas on social issues from the conservative Republican side - for example I oppose abortion on demand. On economics, I might appear to come from the liberal, Democratic side of the spectrum - for example I favor tax increases.Superficially this would seem to be drawing from each side, but in fact, it is a coherent whole. The essence of my views is that government ought, within prudential limits, nurture virtue and shape law to that end. Consequently my view on taxes is that statecraft ought summon society to a reckoning with the costs of its appetites. That social discipline ought be reinforced by demanding that the public pays for what it buys and that only in this way - and not by foisting off the costs onto the future or onto this or that particular group - will society began to sort out it mere wants from its real needs and thence to prioritize its needs.In a similar way my position on abortion is to recognize an inherent value to life, to argue that law ought reinforce that ethic and to assert that the choices people make have larger social ramifications. Further, that by demanding that society recognize that human intimacy has profound social ramifications, opposition to abortion on demand in law would force people to take seriously their choices and actions. Thus again, as with tax policy, forcing the individual and thus the culture to reckon with and assess the costs of its appetites. Then too to take responsibility for its choices and actions.The point here is that superficially I seem to be drawing from different political and philosophical camps when, in truth, I am actually operating from a consistent underlying philosophical tradition. This is what most people do. It is the way the human mind works, generally speaking. It tries, however unconsciously, to think coherently and consistently.CONT.
The only difference is that I so happen to have a background in political philosophy and politics and can see the underlying relationship between ideas that superficially seem to be drawn from opposing camps. (Republican vs. Democrat, conservative vs. liberal.) Because most people don't spend their time thinking about politics, they don't know the pedigree of their ideas and just assume that they are drawing a little from each side. The debate in the United States is between two schools of liberalism - the classical and the "radical." (Note: "Radical" in this context does not mean extremist. Rather it means, as the ancient Greeks used the term - i. e., "to the root of.") Because there is no real classical (Tory) conservative tradition in the United States, in an American context, the classical liberal is called "conservative." The radical liberal is called "liberal." (The classical conservative tradition did exist in the American Whig party, but died with the assassination of the Whig-turned-Republican Abraham Lincoln. It is a great historical "what if" as to what might have been if Lincoln had lived.) Thus, Americans are actually more consistent than they realize. They are not drawing so much from each side. Rather, they are drawing on intellectual traditions that they are not really aware. Given the foregoing, I thus voted "right," but it not meaning what it means to most Americans. Indeed, even the words, "right" and "left" don't really conform to American usage. See also my reply here: Politics: Left, Right, Middle, etc? ↗Ready to cry "uncle" yet?
I'm a conservative, and that's the direction I gravitate towards. But most people label conservatives, wrongly. I don't go to church, and I don't want unloved children to be born. I don't care if you're confused about your gender, just as long as you don't flaunt your confusion. I'm all for gay unions, just not for gay marriage. (Come up with your own damn term for it, "marriage" has already been taken)As a conservative... I believe:* Worthless teachers should be fired* Teachers who push their political agenda down their students throats, should be shot. * If you want to immigrate to America, then play by the fucking rules. Get the fuck in the back of the line. * The person most qualified for the job, should get it. I don't give a shit what race or color you are. * The bar should NEVER be lowered in order to allow women into the police or fire department. * If you're too fucking stupid to think that walls and barriers don't HELP to keep people out, then I don't want you on my side of the wall. * Open borders are quite possibly the dumbest concept ever conceived.* One-way plane tickets should be free to those who hate America.* Term limits should be imposed on All politicians. (good or bad)* Cows should be allowed to fart, just like Alexandria. * People flying on private jets, should shut the fuck up about climate change. * Bullshit college degrees should NOT BE FREE! But we can talk about trade schools being free. * The official language of America, should be legally declared as the language we read on Stop Signs. * Welfare is a safety net. It's not a green light to have ten kids. * Anyone throwing water on cops, should be fed to wild boars. Seems fair...Other than that, I'm a liberal. :)
So killing kids is fine but hard line no on two people who love each other getting married... mmmk.
@Ámayas_20 She said they can have the same union, but it just needs a different name. I agree.
@MarciOwens That's beyond stupid just saying.
@Ámayas_20 Really? Should heterosexuals get their "letter" on the LGBTQ sequence? (HLGBTQ)
@MarciOwens I don't think the abbreviation should exist anyway sooo
@Ámayas_20 But as long as it DOES exist, I should be on it?
@MarciOwens I honestly don't give a shit, if we're doing anything with it we should be scrapping it not adding another letter to the million that are already there. Not that these things are comparable.
@Ámayas_20 That's beyond stupid, just sayin'. Yes, they are comparable. Let's just scrap the term, "marriage," and replace it with a "legal domestic union." I mean, if we're going to redefine the term "marriage," then maybe we just need to make up a more generic term that's a one fits all term.
@MarciOwens We never redefined marriage, we allowed consenting adults to marry no matter their gender. It's not comparable to some stupid acronym.
@Ámayas_20 If you didn't redefine marriage, then why is YOUR version of marriage illegal in most states? Do tell. LOL
@MarciOwens It's not lmfao
@Ámayas_20 On the state level, it was illegal. Why do you think that was? Now these terms I'm OK with. LGBT marriage, domestic partnership, and civil unions. What is so horrible about those terms? What is so threatening about creating a new term?
@MarciOwens I'm just going to assuming you're talking about the US where it's nationally legal so again bullshit. There is no need for another term, it's stupid and honestly homophobic, making gay people seem so different and othered is a huge part of the problem (Not that the activists help) so instead of furthering homophobia and still trying to see being gay as something so abnormal just don't get married to a woman.
@Ámayas_20 Of course I'm talking about the USA. lol This site would be ten times better if it were broken down into countries. I can hardly wait until triads demand to be allowed to be married. I'm sure you'll say that people who are against it are very bad people. Maybe you can throw around the lame term: "Homophobic:" or something else. I'm not homophobic, but maybe that's because I've never been surrounded by homos that are morons. The gay people I know, don't flaunt it. They don't march in stupid parades and act like animals in the streets. And they would be very happy with the term, "domestic union." I think that it's important that your life partner be protected by law, I just don't think you need to selfishly demand that the terminology be changed for your own self-serving needs. Is it really that big of a deal that same sex unions have a different label? I don't think men should be able to win women's power lifting completions, either. Does that make me a homophobe?
@MarciOwens Okay first off fuck off with the countries thing you just want to be in a bubble, not everyone one is from the US and of all countries yours needs to understand that the most.I don't support marriage between more than 2 people as that is ACTUALLY redefining marriage, not that I actually care what people do that is something that could be given a different label as it is something else. Marriage is marriage not matter what gender the people are, historical homophobia is the only reason this was ever different religion being the biggest factor in this. I agree pride parades are stupid and being gay shouldn't be an aspect of your personality but just your sex/love life, this again is just another way gay people are othered and this is where the activists are at fault, however, you're no better with the way you want to other gay people.You can act like you aren't being homophobic but it's not a term I throw around lightly, you are not necessarily a homophobe but this which you support is homophobic. This again is not comparable, I know you seem to enjoy comparing things that can't be compared but stop is just furthers the points against you. P. S Calm down or go away you don't need to be so pissed off
@Ámayas_20 "P. S Calm down or go away you don't need to be so pissed off"I love when people try and determine another person's mood, based on text. LOLI'll gladly go away, but that's because you are too goofy to reason with. "Okay first off fuck off with the countries thing you just want to be in a bubble, "Only a Brit could be so classy as to say something so stupid like that. I just expressed my opinion that I'd prefer that this site was broken down by country. If that means I'd be in a bubble, then so be it. I don't think that two guys entering into a union, should use the term, "marriage." You, on the other hand, do. Who gives a shit? When the libtards start to introduce triads and quads, I hope you don't mind them calling it "marriage." Because if you appose that term, then you'll be labeled a "bigot." Brace yourself, because it will happen. Next will be some crazy lady who wants to marry her cat. Brace yourself, because it will happen. Then we can talk about definitions of marriage. Have a nice day. :)
@MarciOwens Don't fucking dare call me a brit, I'm scottish and I literally don't give a shit about class. Honestly you're the reason we conservatives have a bad name. I already explained my view on triads just because you're illiterate don't bring that back up. It is marriage so deal with it and go cry on your own, if you're so threatened by gay people using the term marriage you have bigger issues. I honestly don't care if I'm called a bigot it happens extremely frequently, there is a difference between being called something and it being true.
@Ámayas_20 Yeah, you're a conservative. LOL I believe it. You're the type that would bring your cat to a dog show, and then bitch about why they won't let you enter your cat in the competition.
@MarciOwens You're just an idiot, again the reason we all have a bad name
@Ámayas_20 I know, you're right. The vast majority of "conservatives" embrace gay marriage. I realize you're right about everything and I'm wrong. I'm so very lucky that this site allows smartly people like you on this site. And I was wrong to want this site to be exclusive to Americans, only. I would be missing out on all the smartly people like you. Besides, even though this site is offered in 4 languages, I'm sure you would gravitate to this site, so you can enlighten the world on your smartlyness. Again... I agree with everything you say. You're right and I am wrong.
@MarciOwens You're such an idiot, you do understand that English isn't American lmao.
@Ámayas_20 I actually said in the beginning that I wish that every country had their own GAG site. But it's not your fault for forgetting that, it's my fault for not reminding you. You're right and I'm wrong. My wanting you to have your own site isn't for me, it's for you. Your life would be so much better if you could only converse with smartly people like you. That's why I pray that the found of GAG make this a reality for you. I honestly would miss your brilliant wit, but I would be willing to risk the deep hurt. If you love something, you should set it free. If it comes back, then you should set it free again.
@MarciOwens Oh my god no wonder you're a homophobe.
@Ámayas_20 The reason I want you to have your own site, isn't because I don't want homos on this site, I was just thinking of your best interests. You being a homosexual has nothing to do with why I want the UK banned from this site.
I’m mostly liberal but I grew up in a very conservative community. I understand the argument of both sides and try to relate to both. I have the type of family (conservative) that believes they are right about everything. I try to have civil conversations with them and they usually turn it into a debate. It’s frustrating
People who don't think their views can be criticised are annoying.I'm more 50/50 but I can understand both sides.
Right and left are diametrically opposed positions on exclusively economic policy, so it is literally impossible to hold both right and left views. That said, you could be a right libertarian and perhaps share economic views with "conservatives" while sharing social views with "liberals". Or you could be left authoritarian and share economic views with "liberals" while sharing social views with "conservatives". As for myself, I am right wing.
There's very little I agree with on the left. They are just getting way too out-there.
I am on the left, because the right is full of authoritarian religious weirdos
Both. Actually I share all political ideologies views as long as they are positive and benefit the country and its citizens only.
Well I’m a conservative but a few of my opinions are a little more left wing.
Both. I am fiscally conservative, but socially liberal.
I'm just dumb and confused.
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