I am not feminist but i support abortion rights
@shinka1y234 i think supporting rights and 3 wave feminism are two different things at this point. Glad to actually meet a girl that isn’t feminist. The victim mentality is such a turn off.
mind you the term "first wave" was defined in 1968, which was after the second wave started xD
I got lazy and just read wikipedia haha.I guess 3rd and 4th might be about the same iunno
My best guess would be that 4th wave feminsm is 3rd wave feminism rebranded by retarded people for no good reason at all.
@Guffrus yeah well feminism these days is pretty much equal to retardation. there sure are male and female issues still but we don't have systematic discrimination anymore. if anything we have established discrimination against main to "compensate" women for their percieved "suppression" xD all that doesn't have to do much with reason anymore.
*men, not main
Yep thats it exactly and its the same thing with race too, there was a thing about black superman and black batman the other day.If you want a black hero character thats fine and its not new, but when you rebrand an established white character as black is racist.
@Guffrus the difference here is that specially black people do actually still to this day suffer from the systematic oppression of past centuries. it goes back to Pierre Bourdieu's "Habitus" theory and there are measurable effect that perpetuate Habitual problems to this day even though those are not enforced by politics or the general society anymore. they are self perpetuating within the specific spheres of the population.however with the whole gender issue, we have narrowed the problem down to intrinsic female psychological traits. women are more agreeable, which is not advantageous on the labour market. it has been proven that if you account for control variables, after a specific training to handle those psychological disadvantages, there is no negative gender effect on income and employment left.
Well I am all for black hero characters, I just dont see why its in any way good or helpful to change established characters.Im glad you said that and that there is data on the subject i have long believed that any remaining differences in pay are the result of women failing to negotiate their salaries and it seems to me that both genders would do well from having that kind of skill set training or that the issue of pay generally should be addressed, perhaps laws which do not allow for different pay rates for people doing the same jobs within one company etc.Because it becomes more than a gender issue, the women being paid less might have highlighted the problem but it is no more fair that one man be paid less than another man or woman when doing the same job than it is for the woman to be paid less.Surely there should be equal pay for equal work regardless of what sort of gentials you have.
@Guffrus well if it's systemic oppression, then why are there female ceos? some women do believe it was "harder for them than for men" but that's not true at all. the truth is, that it's very hard for men too but men are more ready to do what needs to be done... that incidentally is also the reason, why men end up in prison more than women...yes replacing white characters with black ones in established folklore stories is pretty damn dumb and one of the many idiotic ways that PC society has taken.
the gender pay gap and the fact that there are more likely in ceo positions is entirely due to the fact that women are less likely to want those things on average.
I dont think its systemetic oppression. Perhaps you misunderstood what i said? Or i have misunderstood you?
like in a professional environment, you have to stomp on peoples backs to climb the hirarchy. if people stomp on your back, it's not cause you're a woman xD
@Guffrus no i was just elaborating on my point ^^ i guess we agree.
I see ok, yeah.
The "Gender Pay Gap" is an earnings gap, not a pay gap. Comes down to the jobs they do etc.An early childhood educator won't get paid the same as an engineer so on and so forth.And the wonderous "Gender Studies" degrees don't really equal up to the more "traditional" ones in the terms of income outcome potential.
No Deadrabbit, it is both of those things.
well feminazis don't care if it's an earning or a pay gap. they want both genders to be paid the same regardless of the profession they chose. they don't understand how economics work. should have studied economics instead of reaking gender studies. i mean i'm a social scientist. we can analyze gender issues and we know where structural inequality comes from and how it can be attributed to gender and all that. i really don't see what "gender studies" would even be about except being a fraction of what social science is. in some countries itÄs even considered "ideology" not science and i tend to agree with that, cause the name of the science already introduces a bias. in social science we know that in a lot of questions gender is absolutely insignificant but if you research a topic already presuming that it is, it can only produce nonsense.
in fact a gender studies bachelor is pretty much identical to a social science except some courses about theory are replaced with indoctrination about gender nonsense.
There are lots of double standards favoring women over men too.
I know, those will be solved as well when we view both genders as truly equal
But how is that going to be achieved?
By getting rid of gender norms, a small start could be letting kids play with whatever they want to play with, and not force a certain colour on them. Small things like that can make a world of difference in the long run.
But who actually does that? They are kids haha.And how would that change anything anyway?
*Problems that don't exist
Could have worked either way haha
True but that's more LGBT than feminism
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**not feminism again
Mgtow doesn't interest me the same as feminism. I'm not gonna say I am interested for the "right reasons" but still, hearing an earnest opinion may be a nice change
Ok there is no reason for 4th wave feminism in western countries but anyway everyone dislike feminists
Because those guys are doing exactly what they say. They go their own way, live their life and bother no one.While feminists are annoying everyone, everytime, everywhere.
Because MGTOW doesn't hurt anyone, feminism hurts many people badly.
Bullshit i see so many hate on women by mgtow members. And If they go their own way why tf do they complain about women? I thought they do not want anything to do with women. I also see mgtow members who just play with womans feelings. I mean you can have one night stands but why tf do some start a relationship just to have sex and then dump?
For the same reason women start "dating" to get gifts and free food.
Just dont date gold diggers
Because 30% of the population is feminist and less than 1% is mgtow... feminism is a huge issue grow is a non issue
Because MGTOW doesn't nearly have the influence that Feminism does, also men in MGTOW will never reproduce making it irrelevant from de novo.
It is nothing but a hate movement
You could make that argument about any socio-political group. MGTOW being a hate group also isn't relevant to your question, you asked why no one talks about it, and it's because they're irrelevant.
There is a thousand times more hate in feminism, but apparently you don't see the problem. I guess hate and sexism is fine as long as it comes from women.
@Guanfei hate and sexism is never ok and it does not matter from which gender it comes. But to be honest i see more hate from mgtow members than feminists. Maybe because feminists hate "in a nice way" and that is why i do not notice much (?) but some radical mgtow members come with comments like "women are useless", " i love women getting beaten up" etc. shit on youtube. Please go to youtube and search the word feminism, you will only see angry men hating on in comment section. Also look at their youtube channals. They go crazy. They are sure objective and not hateful MGTOWs but they are kind rare.
Sorry to say but "Kill all men" was trending this year I think
Feminists hate in a nice way? Have you been living in a cave far from civilization for the past 10 years?Feminists nowadays are freaking enraged.
This girl istg
@Guanfei i said what I see on internet
I hear feminist say kill all men, all men are rapists, waste men’s time, Men are stupid, I’ve even had a feminist say men are inferior to women in every way once in an argument, feminists are just as sexist if not more sexist then mgtow you just notice it more because feminists aren’t being sexist against you personally
So which one is the real feminism if I may ask? The first wave feminism that committed acts of terrorism in underground Paris in the 19th century?
I dont believe in feminism anymore
Glad to hear it. Reason prevails!
Because, at the end of the day, no grownup treats MGTOW seriously. You won't see MGTOW faculty seats at universities.
I'm still in solidarity with the bra-burning, women get to fuck as much as men without getting put down for it first wave, myself.
Wow. Have I been living under a rock? Didn’t know anything about all if this tbh
Supposedly it is 4th, I don't know haha
1st Wave feminism: Votes for women, equal pay for equal work. Burn bras, sex for all.2nd Wave: Marxism GOOOD! MARXISM GOOD! WHARGARBLE MARXISM GOOD!3rd Wave: All sex between men and women is rape.4th Wave: Intersectionality whargarble garblewhar, white people bad, men bad, religion bad, except Islam, Islam good, but ignore Islamic persecution of women. Only rich white women actually get to run "the movement", and they get to tell the browns what they are supposed to do and feel. Oh, and lesbians are the only truly good people.