@updateNo, I don’t mind people having different flags up
@Sevenpointfive, thank you for the MHO.
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i had no idea. that's very interesting!
Yeah it's kinda cool. Especially the Irish.
And people here have car flags too you put on the window, but that's more on Australia day.
thanks for teaching me a new word (bogan)!
No worries. It means redneck and feral by the way.
should it be mandatory?
i like it!!!
I would not stand that close to them
i think it's patriotic
are you a traveler?
I have been to 6 countries personally but I do have knowledge of others.
i've only seen the israeli flag here sometimes. we have little flags to stick in the ground or poles on garages for flags.
Flags on houses over here is very rare but there are some people with tall flag poles in their yards. Not very common these days but used to be an idyllic image for a house out in the country side or a summer house. It has a sense of "summer" associated with it.
yeah, now now they have the poles inside the houses and girls swinging on them. it's crazy
you gotta take that trash bag down
No it's not. Only on birthdays and holidays. Or possibly some farms.
@NyfikenSyd Jag ser Svenska flaggor hela tiden. I små kvarter i byar, ute på landet, och i lägenhetshus, jo, det är vanligt.
Jag ser Svenska flaggor också men om vi pratar om hur vanligt det är måste vi jämföra med andra länder så som USA som flyger dom typ på varje hus eller har dom upphängda på väggar inne. I min stad kan jag troligtvis räkna hur många svenska flaggor jag sätt på två händer om man inte inkluderar platser som travbanor eller statliga hus.
@Soteris Vare sig det jämförelsevis är vanligARE i länder som USA, där saker som flagghöjning är svåra att slå, så kan det iallafall räknas som vanligt i Sverige med givet hur ofta man ser det och på hur många platser.
Disagree. Jag ser dom mest på public property som typ skolor där dom uppvaktar flagg traditioner så som högtider eller händelser. Privata flaggor är relativt sällsynta och jag ser mer och mer flaggstångar som blir nedtagna för dom inte används längre.
@Soteris And I disagree right back at ya. Jag har kört runt väldigt mycket i Sverige och ser massvis med privata flaggor, gårdar, byar, lägenhetskomplex från balkonger, så skilda erfarenheter helt enkelt.
Agree to disagree then
Sweden.. I fear for the Swedes.
@Cybernizer Not this again.. Honestly I feel insulted you think we require your sympathy for something so benign. Granted most of it is because you got a misunderstood view of what is going on.
@Soteris It is just upsetting to see a culturally superior nation get invaded by barbarians.
@Cybernizer Yeah, none of that is happening.
@Soteris Then why is the southern portion covered in Islam?
@Cybernizer They are not.
@Soteris Covered in it no. A grave issue with Islamization due to unregulated immigration and integration, yes. I wouldn't say Sweden is culturally superior however. That's quite a broad statement.
Southern Sweden is not covered by Islam not Muslims, and those who come here are far friendlier than, say the current American president as example.Alexander is also wrong in calling it a grave issue - there is no islamization going on, nor unregulated immigration.And integration is a good thing afaik.
@NyfikenSyd You're either a liar, a leftist, or just your typical ignorant Swede. SÄPO's report still mark Islamic terrorism as the greatest threat we have as of now.
Alexander - of Love to read that report before taking it for granted. And even if it says that - the threats we have are do low being "the biggest" means little.You are in more risk of a car accident than a terrorist. You really need to get out of your hole and burn your blinders.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaardNo that is just wrong. First of all they consider the threat level from terrorism to be a 3 out of 5 currently and only part of that is Islamic terrorism although its the greatest part. That is hardly an existential crisis or the "greatest threat to Sweden". It is a credible threat yes but lets not inflate the actual problem here.
@Soteris thanks for checking the source. Do you have a link btw?
@NyfikenSyd Well I guess you would call this the "portal", it further links to more in depth content if you so wish.www.sakerhetspolisen.se/.../...hotet-for-2018.html
@Soteris I'll concede that I misspoke regarding the specifics, the foremost terrorist threat, yes. But saying that I'm inflating the problem is still in my eyes quite disgusting when we've just recently endured a terrorist attack a couple of years back. And to say we have no issue whatsoever with Islamic extremism is incompetent. Sweden is also, alongside Belgium, the country with the most IS-terrorists per capita. That is repulsive ethically, if nothing else. As for you Nyfikensyd, tone down on the grandpa one-liners about burning blinders, you do not impress.
@alex I love how you resort to name calling. For terror attacks we have had two since 1976 and both were one persons acting alone. I'd say that is far of from your mark. I say again that we are not in fear of any izlamization. If you feel that to be true do point to a credible source.Anywho - I've shown others that there is more to the truth than what you claim, and I'll never get you to change so have a good night.
Whatever threat you imagine it has done little to materialize itself. To start with Sweden as a whole is toxic to religion and instead of undergoing "Islamification" a more accurate term would be purging because those people and their descendants will not be Islamic for very long.Sure the transition might take a while and involve in no small part the death of the first few generations but just like any other religion currently in Sweden it will see a decline towards Atheism.As for Islamic terrorism? It is a threat that has not really materialized. Call it luck or the good work of law enforcement but Sweden has not really had any issues with terrorism. Extremism on the other hand is certainly a much bigger problem but that is also not limited to Islamic extremism but also includes nationalism and supremacists.
@NyfikenSyd Name calling? I did no such thing. No danger of Islamization? When we have top-politicians on the left whose Muslim mp's refuse to shake a female reporter's hand, whose leaders have been caught associating with the Grey Wolves. When we have mosques who refuse to be scrutinized by the public eye, parallel communities where honour-killings are rampant and goes unpunished. When people who venture abroad to fight for IS are welcomed right back home, with no punitive action whatsoever ensuing?When we have demands to construct prayer-towers, segregate bathhouses and an actual Islamic party trying to register for voting? Furthermore, terrorist attacks have been few because Sweden has as of yet never taken a moral or de facto stance against Islamic terrorism, it hasn't been a relevant target alike France and Britain. Even so, we still have Drottningholm back in 2017 to draw experience and shame from. There was an attempted attack in Stockholm some years prior as well, via suicide bombing, only it failed completely, so it wasn't given attention. And according to the reports the police give, they constantly avert attempts at terrorism all across the nation. The offcial report is still *elevated* danger of terrorist attacks in a 3 of 5 scale as you linked yourself Soteris. And yet, Nyfikensyd, there is no danger whatsoever? I thank you for aborting the discussion yourself, because I have no interest in futile bickering with people who, for some inexplicable reason, just will not see reality.
@Soteris As for your theory on extremism simply fizzling out Soteris, I see no empirical evidence of that occurring. And for it to actually be a possibility, there needs to be a host-country in place which teaches proper Western values, enforces laws and punitive action properly, and places actual importance on integration and regulated immigration. The parallel communities and 52 danger-zones we currently endure in Sweden speak directly against any such wishful thinking you present.
I did not say it eliminated extremism, I said Sweden is toxic to religion. Very different. Extremism needs to be handled on a more individual basis since no two extremism are necessarily alike.As for your nonsense about integration? No. Just no. I believe that humans are inherently good people from birth so the only thing you truly need to change is their upbringing and since they are introduced to Swedish culture that will interfere in all but the strictest of brainwashing and mean every generation will be more open minded than the last. Such is the power of culture.Lastly the whole idea of "no go zones" or "danger zones" is just propaganda built on actual important issues that are real but altogether different from what you are claiming.
@Soteris "a more accurate term would be purging because those people and their descendants will not be Islamic for very long. Sure the transition might take a while and involve in no small part the death of the first few generations but just like any other religion currently in Sweden it will see a decline towards Atheism." The eventual self-resolution of extremism is too, exactly what you said. Haha, nonsense? Name me a single country which functions without integration whilst maintaining huge levels of immigration. Seriously, give me examples. And that explains it all. You suffer from a naivete far too idealistic and optimistic to reason with. But why is it that man is inherently good, do explain. Empirically speaking? I don't think so.
@Soteris But my dear Soteris, altering the ways in which they are brought up is a huge part of integration. Your rationale seems very confused.
You want some examples for countries that functions well without integration? Well what do you know? I live in one!Sweden has minorities such as the Sami that has never been integrated and its not really been an issue. Finland has a large Swedish minority that even speaks Swedish as their primary language and they do not have issues.The Ottoman empire had a bunch of random cultures, religions and what not and their golden age is specifically when they did not integrate them but allowed them religious and cultural freedom.As for why I believe humans are inherently good? Well there is research such as this:https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11467.pdfOr specifically research such as if children can recognize good and bad behavior as well as which they inherently prefer. But no I must be naive and idealistic.
@Soteris No, pardon me but that's a laughable suggestion. Sweden is NOT functioning without integration. You really must be joking. Does the names Padma and Fatime mean nothing to you? The abundant antisemitism from Muslims, (yes and nazis) in Malmö and other large cities such as Gothenburg? Or the rising rape statistics in the whole of Sweden, recently most notably Uppsala. Only someone who's willing to sacrifice the truth for their own agenda allows something so profoundly absurd to leave their lips. The Sami are an indigenous folk group who have little to no connection to Swedish society. False equivalency. And Finland has a large number of Swedish *Speakers, which is different from Swedes, because Sweden ruled Finland for over 500 years, and Finland still have a great deal of citizens who support and partake in the grandeur of the Swedish Royal House. You responded to my question by presenting examples of entirely different matters. Because that was an efficient way of maintaining their huge administrative territory and legitimize their power. But they also treated Jews and Greeks as second class citizens and overall approached non-Ottoman residents of the Empire appallingly, force-recruiting their young for the Janazzaries and such. Is that what you're advocating? imperialism? You pull out one single article presenting a theorem and equate that to the unquestionable truth? Now you're just making a fool of yourself. I can likewise conjure one evidencing the contrary. Which I will. aeon.co/.../the-bad-news-on-human-nature-in-10-findings-from-psychology But even as you may say that humans have an innate sense of cooperation, (which can still be derived to a motive for self-gain) we are nonetheless also inherently *flawed*. Vice and moral apathy is also something which a great deal of people can be imbued with since birth. And the greatest majority of people in this world do not display significant levels of altruism.
Very well then, lets do this properly.First of all lets clear up why I used the Sami as an example. First of all you mentioned integration as in cultural and social integration as basically essential however if it is that fundamental as you claim it to be it should apply outside of simple immigration as well. In comes the Sami which has not been integrated and has coexisted with Swedish culture (along with other cultures) for hundreds of years.Essentially if you think that Sweden has at any point been a functioning society then you have to explain the Sami. As for your cop out answer of "little connection" then why would that matter and how is Islamic immigrants more connected? From what you are saying the Sami should be like a cancer in Sweden.As for Swedish people living in Finland that is also something that you do not quite understand. Sure some are just as you might think, Finnish people with possible Swedish heritage speaking Swedish but there is also possibly hundreds of thousands of ethnic Swedish people living in Finland, some areas even only speaking Swedish and not Finnish at all such as Åland. The fact that for almost 300 thousand people their primary language is not the national language should speak clearly on their level of integration into Finnish culture and society.As for the ottoman empire they certainly had their fair share of atrocities but they did grant equality to all and freedom of religion during their reform era. As for your excuses I will hear none of them.As for your evidence its mostly a hit and a miss simply because I never said human nature was good or evil but that we are born good and then learn evil such as through our human nature. There is a difference.
@Soteris Coexistence is an entirely different matter. Sami live alongside Swedes. Muslim immigrants live with* Swedes, in the midst of our society, with our way of life under our domains. Cop out answer? Get out of here with that lame ass rhetoric. It's a decisive detail not a cop out. And I already explained the momentous difference between groups. Really man, this is one big load of nonsense you're spewing. And you really think the presence of Swedish in Finland matters at all for your argument? It doesn't. Swedish has been the obligatory second-language in school for Finns for centuries. The older generation wiill speak it whether they have an otherwise connection to Sweden or not, this due to our history of ruling the nation and not too long ago calling it Österland as a natural part of Sweden, with cities like Vasa that Sweden founded. Finland is an example OF integration, not against it. That's not an argument. Social reform and some equality here and there, which wasn't nearly as extensive as you pretend, has nothing to do with them functioning without integration. They didn't. They gradually exiled Jews from Israel until 95% of the populous were arabs.And I am very tired of your holier-than-thou attitude. Drop the, "Will hear none of your excuses" crap. You didn't even read it did you. You said that mankind was inherently good. I countered with phsycologial research refuting that by pointing to many characteristics people may possess as inborn and imprinted both. And even if cooperation was to be a natural part of us, cooperation does not equal good. The problem with you Soteris is the tremendous chip on your shoulder. You seriously believe you have all the answers. And in debate you hide your ideological ineptitude with arrogant oneliners such as: "Will hear none of it", or, "what you do not understand".
@Soteris You need to get over yourself. You are not an intellectual. You're a pretentious prick whom I see berating everyone who do not think like you. It's pathetic.
I think @alex just showed his true colors. Here we go with the name calling again. Quite common when you run out of arguments.
@NyfikenSyd Right. An entire paragraph of arguments but because I also called him out on being a prick I apperantly have, "run out of arguments". Learn how to debate and then come back. These platitudes of yours contribute with nothing.
I already know I can't change your racistly skewed view of Sweden so I'm not going to try. I'll settle with showing others that they shouldn't take what you say as fact.
@NyfikenSyd Whatever you need to tell yourself Syd. It's good to settle when you can offer little else in actual discourse.
what's a pole without a flag haha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.*Takes out knife*I will know find you and cut you a slice of cake for that amazing pun.*Whispers to other people*I poisoned the cake.
@13IsALuckyNumber the answer was a 3 minute show at a stripclub. but i'll eat the cake.
Where is here?