that still doesn't fix the issue that you have to leave work and then go to register for it and then get it. It discriminates against those who work shifts. Not exactly racist but against poor people. I am not a US citizen (on student visa here) and I was mailed a form to register to vote. It required things I could not provide and the government could easily check to make sure I wasn't allowed to vote. Why not just use that? That thing was mailed to my apartment to my surprise, I didn't pay anything for it, and didn't miss work or school for it and I threw it in the trash as it was a mistake to send it to me.
@shephardjhon That still disables citizens, given that I. D.'s are required for basic things, like buying over-the-counter cough-syrup, opening bank-accounts, registering for jobs, etc. Congress should include provisions for making Federal non-working holidays to help the unregistered, so they can secure their necessary legal documents.
"Congress should include provisions for making Federal non-working holidays to help the unregistered, so they can secure their necessary legal documents."If they can make sure the registration offices are open on those days and buses are going there, then I agree with you.
Also, it doesn't even need to be a full day. Just let anyone not working in the registration offices off early or start late on those days you mention and you are done.
@shephardjhon True, seconding that provision to the provision. And the great things about the U. S. Passport Card is that validity is 10yr.'s and renewal is generally be done vie he mail (unless personal-data has changed).
Only citizens should vote. Do you get to vote in other countries elections?
That is the Democrats for you. They will use some BS nonsense to make anything they don't want appear racist.
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So really how the question of voter id laws should be more framed like is exposing the entire American population the horrible experience of the dmv to vote and people who already need to go the dmv to double the experience with another government building visit. That's how it would be really fair.
Liberals: Hey its unconstitutional, but lets get rid of the entire second amendment to the U. S constitution!Liberals: There's no such thing as voter fraud! Trump Collusion with Russians, we will keep screaming it even if it's not true! Acorn didn't mean to commit voter registration fraud! Liberals: Illegal immigrants shouldn't be deported, they should be able to have driver's licenses, and should be rewarded for breaking the law! Also we shouldn't verify the identity of who is voting at the polls or their citizenship status because we want them to vote us in, even if breaks federal laws! Felons should also be able to vote, because they are perfect citizens who respect life, liberty, and property rights!
@RegularTK421 Lolz yeah at least they're consistent. Not saying one thing and then doing the opposite.
Where can you get one? Do you have to travel? Miss work? Does it cost money?Wasn't there something similar, called a poll tax?
@goaded If you came here legally, you have a green card.Where can you get one? Do you have to travel? Miss work? Does it cost money?Just like every other American would have to do. What singles somebody out?Wasn't there something similar, called a poll tax? Not the same. That's nonsense.
What about if you've lived there all your life? Why are you fixating on immigrants?Requiring voter ID is a burden on people who don't already have ID; if the place someone has to go to get acceptable ID is a not local, there is a financial burden on those citizens. If you want to require voter ID for something that citizens have a right to, they shouldn't have to pay to exercise their right.It sounds almost exactly like a poll tax, and for much the same reasons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax#Poll_tax
@goaded Being an American is not a free gift. If citizens want to preserve the country that grants them opportunity and, often, transfer payments, a bit if sacrifice seems worth it.Here's what's true despite the virtue signalling. You want ineligible voters to vote democrat. The whole poll tax argument is a diversion. You want illegal voters. Simple as that. Betting you hate ICE, Police and the Wall. Admit it.
"Being an American is not a free gift."Bullshit. If you're born to American parents, or on American soil, you're American, and it doesn't cost a penny.All of those people should be allowed to vote without having to pay any taxes - it's in the constitution.en.wikipedia.org/.../Twenty-fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_ConstitutionIf you really think it's a problem, then the government should try to find every potential voter and give them an ID for free. But that's not going to happen, because that's not the point of the legislation.
@goaded "Please, government. Take care of me. Because I can't take care of myself."
@goaded stop being an idiot. People need an ID. It is a requirement to have an an ID to work. To pick up prescriptions. To cash a check.
@Rissyanne So, if everyone has ID, why isn't that good enough to vote?
@goaded because illegals shouldn’t have an ID. If they have one... they steal it. You are the one whining that we don’t need an ID. Or you think minorities are to stupid to get one.
But if you don't show ID anyone can vote in your place.
@sejla that doesn't make sense. Only I can vote for myself.
without required ID any one could vote in your place.
@sejla do you understand how ridiculous your logic is? If somebody else votes then they're making their own decision, but then I can come along and vote too and make my own decision. Both people with or without ID can vote. So nobody is voting in my place because I'll vote on my own. And voting is anonymous.
I'm saying without an ID when you go to the check in point before you go to the voting machine anyone could vote in your place. It could create a voter fraud situation.
@sejla we haven't required ID since the US was founded and the amount of voter fraud has never been more than %5. It's an imaginary issue for old people and racists.
presidental elections have been won by a few thousand votes. who knows if fraud could make the difference.
@sejla do you have any proof of either of those statements?
That reminds me of the last time I voted non-absentee:My name is a blend of a multiple cultures' naming-systems, so it's ALWAYS wrong unless I show an I. D. (Hell, I've presented a Federal-level U. S. Passport Card ever since I got the privilege of U. S.-citizenship, because the State-level drives' license couldn't accept a hyphen, which appears on all my U. S. Federal records as well as my Philippine passport & legal-documents.) So before I could vote, the personnel at the counter went out of her way to reject my U. S. Passport Card and asked my name. I explained that the situation with my name and she still rejected my I. D. and again asked for my name. I gave it.Unsurprisingly, she didn't get it and asked for my family-name. I gave it and (unsurprisingly again!) she went to the wrong letter, since our pronunciation sounds like a wholly-different letter in U. S. English. I corrected her and again offered my I. D., but she turned her head away (like I was showing something obscene or something) and just told me to write it down. She then had to find a piece of paper & writing-utensil, handed them to me, and wait for me to finish writing my full legal-name (which is long by U. S. standards) before getting my my record and allowing me to vote.So much time was wasted on 1PERSON when townhall was overflowing with potential-voters, despite the fact that 1look at an I. D. would have fixed this instantaneously.
@N192K001 Wait, they may not be allowed to ask for ID, but there's nothing to stop you showing it, is there?
@goaded That's what I did, but she kept on refusing to even look at it, like a vampire urged to look at a crucifix. The thing was that this was no problem for me during the elections with little participation. This was just when dispute of voter-I. D. became a dispute in N. C. Luckily, the requirement is not part of the N. C. Constitution.But, it's up to the Republican-dominated General Assembly to decide how to implement this without negatively harming generally non-Republican demographics. The Democratic governor is doing what he can, but the General Assembly essentially gerrymandered the Hell out of the State and re-wrote the Board of Elections to eliminate the representation of ⅓ the voting-citizenry (the Unaffiliated), when they had only 1 token-representative to be dominated by the multiple Republican & Democratic representatives. For as much as I overwhelmingly support a voter-I. D. requirement, I'm not too certain they can be trusted to implement it in a representative manner.
@N192K001 "I'm not too certain they can be trusted to implement [voter id] in a representative manner"That's the problem, in a nutshell.
Correction: "Luckily, the requirement is now part of the N. C. Constitution."So, the rule is there. Now, it's just the application that's the issue.
Election fraud? Look no further than NC district 9 - a special election will be held on Tuesday because the Republican illegally collected absentee ballots.en.wikipedia.org/.../2019_North_Carolina%27s_9th_congressional_district_special_electionIn person voter fraud is not a thing:"Kobach now concedes that when he said he’d referred voter-fraud cases to the U. S. Attorney’s office, he had not, in reality, referred voter-fraud cases to the U. S. Attorney’s office. But, the right-wing official told the AP, Kobach’s predecessor had alerted the federal prosecutor to two relevant cases and Grissom ignored those referrals. It turns out, that’s not true, either: federal investigators looked into those 2011 allegations and, as the AP report noted, they concluded they were not voter fraud."www.msnbc.com/.../kobach-voter-fraud-allegations-exposed-fraudulent
And some history for you Dems. You have a long history with this:www.city-journal.org/.../...al-election-12824.html
Seriously? A thousand cases of voter fraud, among how many votes cast, how many elections?Even if all those votes were in the 2016 presidential election (they weren't); that would be 1200 in 130,000,000 votes, or roughly 1/100000 of the vote. For comparison, the FDA allows 10mg of rodent shit in 500000mg of cocoa; about twice as much.In fact, if you filter for year, 2016 had 52 cases of election fraud. Your elections are way cleaner than your chocolate.
Your comment doesn't address the issue.
Don’t you know everything is racist to a liberal
@Rissyanne Neither does your comment address the real issue, as usual.
@loveslongnails sis you don’t get to tell me what I can comment about. This isn’t even your post. Go do your nails
In Texas we can vote in English or Spanish so to some extent an ID is necessary.
The only people who have a hard time getting IDs are people who were born at home and their births were not registered or the records were lost because it was so long ago.
Places I have to show my ID...When I pay my electric billAt the doctor's officeTo pick up packages at the post officeTo tour an apartmentTo do transactions at my credit unionI'm sure there are more.
Just a few more...To collect Social Security or retirementTo legally cross a border
And they want illegals to vote because they know that they have no chance of winning anything😂
It makes it difficult for those who are maintaining a false identity to vote. Requiring identification isn't the slightest bit racist.
And typically also to ensure you can only vote once, if they implemented that correctly that is.
They shouldn’t be voting they’re not citizens
Some of them are voting... they steal identities
@Rissyanne Thats true bit at least they are trying to do something about it
You mean stealing someone’s identity is ok with you?
@Rissyanne did you not read what I type
Tell me what are they doing about it
@Rissyanne by making sure you prove your a USA citizen by showing ID. It's not fool proof but its a start
Hadn't watched video. OMG, the attitudes of the first group is scary. And actually most of their reasoning us economic (access to internet, distance from authoritise), these aren't issues specific to a persons race, but their economic circumstances.
Yes, just try to buy a carton of milk without ID!
@goaded you don’t even live in America. Anyone can get an ID. Why do you care?
Yet many European nations have voter ID laws as well. Many require a national ID, and it is mandatory by law to vote.
@RegularTK421 Not Germany and the UK, afaics, you just have to bring the letter you got about the election (and be on the register).
Wow. I just a saw the video. I can believe how stupid America has become.
Democrats want illegals to vote
@Rissyanne BINGO! They also want underage people voting.
Yes I know. The next will be their dogs
So you agree with the liberals on the video. You think they are to stupid to get an ID
@Rissyanne Because they unfairly target non white voters to keep them from voting. North Carolina voter ID law was struck down as unconstitutional. Courts don’t support it.
So tell me... how blacks pick up their prescriptions, cash checks, go to the doctor, work. Or even get government benefits without an ID? Did you even watch the video? It is very insulting to say they can’t get an ID
@Rissyanne I believe most states if not all you are required to have legal identification on your person at all times. Saying they can't get an I. D. is propaganda for the left. It's complete nonsense. I don't see how @Utrxp can't see that.Being struck down by NC judges show you just how deep the bullshit runs. Constitution doesn't actually say anything about requiring IDs, but legally we are abliged to get one. Not all laws are covered by the Constitution. They use the Constitution as their whipping post when they don't like something, but embrace it when it suits their needs. You either agree with all of it, or none of it."Note that in all of this, though, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote, as it does the right to speech, for example. It does require that Representatives be chosen and Senators be elected by "the People," and who comprises "the People" has been expanded by the aforementioned amendments several times. Aside from these requirements, though, the qualifications for voters are left to the states. And as long as the qualifications do not conflict with anything in the Constitution, that right can be withheld. For example, in Texas, persons declared mentally incompetent and felons currently in prison or on probation are denied the right to vote. It is interesting to note that though the 26th Amendment requires that 18-year-olds must be able to vote, states can allow persons younger than 18 to vote, if they chose to." - unconstitution. netAfter reading this, it's clear that states are left to mandate who is allowed to vote, and doesn't mention anything about ID requirements. That's a stipulation the state can make, if it so desires. So NC judges deeming it unconstitutional to require voter I. D. is bullshit. They could in fact, enforce it, and it would be totally Constitutional because states were given the autonomy to set these laws as they see fit.
May I ask for some proof and not just empty words?
It is against federal law to intimidate anyone at the polls. And I have never ever witnessed that happening at any of the polls where I vote and I vote along side people of all ethnicity's. If someone has trouble voting at the polls it's something they're doing and their own responsibilities. No one is there to intimidate anyone. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/594
@ThisAndThat if anyone is intimidating anyone it would be the liberals. They are the ones who want to print out lists.
@Rissyanne You're absolutely right, the intolerant group of SJW's that use hypocrisy and double speak. You hit it on the head.
As if black folk are not smart enough to acquire an ID, which is needed for a slew of other things.
@Liam_Hayden I know. These anti voter ID liberals are about as racist as they come.
Who make up:10.1% of all white non-Hispanic persons12.0% of all Asian persons23.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)26.2% of all African American persons28.3% of Native Americans / Alaska Natives en.wikipedia.org/.../ethnicityThere are two approaches to reviewing policy:1. It affects a group of people disproportionately? We'll change the policy.2. It affects a group of people disproportionately? But that's not what we intended (honest!); we'll keep the policy.
@goaded Is there even a point here?
Yes, a policy that "unintentionally" disenfranchises 25% of people who tend to vote against you and only 10% of people who tend to vote for you is racist.
@goaded ok, as I thought, no point.
Goaded thinks minorities are to stupid to get an Id
How is it racist? Do you think blacks are to stupid to get an Id? Did you watch the video?
Did you watch the video? I guess you think blacks are to stupid to get an ID