Thank you, man. Your input was well-worded, wise, and long winded. You make some good points as well.
GOD you're simple... I've worked for social services and you're 100% WRONG.
Yes you raised your voices. You didn't do anything thou. Men built them for you.Also a man did try to built a shelter for men... Got blocked by the government . Then committed suicide bcs of feminist harassment.
@grega239 Dude she's talking out of her ass. I have YEARS in social services and see the bullshit and lies that "domestic abuse" victims use to scam the government. I've seen men walk into homeless shelters, say they left their homes because they wanted to avoid violence with a woman and the social worker CALLS THE COPS to make sure the woman (who is still in the apartment) is ok. I've seen budget after budget after budget AFTER BUDGET get denied for having provisions for male abuse victims. Even LGBT in my city fight the city because gay men who are abused at home get NOTHING and are told to go to homeless shelters when they run away from a abusive boyfriend.In my experience it's women in power (using accusations of sexism and misogyny) that block anything related to helping male abuse victims. Don't get me started on the cops and how they do NOTHING for men who report violent women. People like BrittBratt are the ones who talk all this shit about "men don't speak up" then are the SAME PIECES OF SHIT who smash men down when they try to get help. Now... when a guy gets tired of being abused and knocks a woman's teeth out or god-forbid kills her. HERE COMES the SJWs to talk about the epidemic of violence against women. IT's disgusting.
Every male abuse victim you don't help is a man who one day will possible SNAP
Every male abuse victim you don't help is a man who one day will possibly SNAP, beat his wife to death or strangle her. THEN y'all want to play the gender card and play victim when the shit could've been avoided by helping the guy get out of the house.
In the UK if I'm not mistaken around 90% of men's shelters were shut down because of government cuts, while women's shelters remained unaffected. I can't cite this right now, I just remember reading about it from a secondary source, so my figures could be inaccurate, but I'm certain it was something to this effect.
@grega239 Does it matter who built them? The point is we got it done and got the shelters open. This is isn't competition of who can build the best.. I think most women know most construction has been made by men.
Wow look at that, you guys simple don't listen. I didn't just say it was only men's fault, I also blamed America for not caring about abused boys and men and just pretty much anyone cause we lack empathy towards each other in this country. I blame men and women for not doing enough about the physical and mental health of men but because I made men some what accountable for that, everything I said went through one ear and out the other cause all you hear and want to hear is: "it's all men's fault!".
So girls are allowed in boy scouts, but men aren't allowed in demestic abuse shelters, because ownly women are allowed. They should just open the doors to male victims. Which shelter do trans people go to? Most left wing people care a lot about the trans community, so you would think they would open their doors like they want for bathrooms. There have been attempts at getting shelters for men, but they aren't getting any funding. People think men can't get abused by women, that it is their fault or that they can take it, so shelters don't get funding. Women have an entire group (feminism) that also prevent men's groups from comming up and getting funding so it is up to feminists to make it happen. They can be really dense about men's issues. Most demestic abuse is reciprocal, so if you allow men who are abused to get help, you can help women as they won't get the shit kicked out of them if the guy finally snaps.
@nathanp97 Dude look at how she already twisted it into us "wanting" to hear it's all men's fault. THis is the SAME shit social workers do and I've seen it dozens of times.
Aah , it suddenly doesn't matter who build them. No it is a competition bcs feminists made it a competition. And like I said the government blocked a men's shelter from being built.No one cares about men. Bcs not only is that statement proven by history, There was a petition going around a few years back when I was asked to sign it to support the prevention of violence against women. There was no mention of men anywhere on that list.
bb2416 - shut up you lemon
A presentation on male suicide gets shut down by angry women thinking the men and the talk are trying to destroy women's freedoms by reinstating male privilegeIt's society's fault for starting it, but the only people who keep us from discussing the problems of being a male are women.
@Blightly: Not just any women; Tide-munching leftist NPC moron women. Who have a zero-sum fallacy view of everything in life. The reason behind all their mental gymnastics goes back to this zero-sum fallacy. They believe that *somehow*, throughout most of human history, men have held some decided advantage. And now, the only way to make things "equal" on some imaginary, infantile pie graph that they all worship with cult-like devotion, in order to make things "fair" and make themselves "righteous," is to increase rights for women. But because they are zero-sum fallacy losers, BrittBratt and others believe the "only way" to increase rights for women, is to completely destroy rights for men. So therefore, any voice for men is automagically a voice against women. Because zero-sum stupidity dominates the thought process of BrittBratt's ilk.This is how these types can lie to you out of their asses; but still be convinced in their own detergent-infested brains that they're being 100% truthful.
@ronaldo75 I didn't twist anything, it's you guys who have done the twisting. I already said what needs to be done and what needs to happen for this to be fixed but from what I'm seeing you guys just want to complain instead actually doing the work.. so im just let you do you.
"so im just let you do you." <-- We are. But do we really need to whine to get our rights? I mean even if we do, we're still seen as sexist in society. You are not equal to the average of society and the "women are wonderful effect" is how society's brain is hardwired and it's not just men who guilt trips men but also other women just because we're the "stronger sex".
The double standards, we're always the sexist when ever we voice out something so what can we do? Shut our mouths.
Ok, why do your gender's shelters get government funding and ours don't? The first time someone tried to make a shelter in Canada, he ran himself into economical ruin and hung himself in his fucking garage! He was a victim to the very thing he set out to stop! But yet, you're so ignorant.
You're shelters only succeeded because you actually got funding, you ignorant fool.
I don't think you're being quite fair. While its true that a lot of people dismiss men's concerns because they expect men to be able to take care of themselves, I really don't think it's reasonable to blame feminists for that. in fact, I think in some cases the focus on men's issues being less well addressed is exactly what you're describing the stories about abuse/assault/rape as being- just drama to try and vilify feminists. Like, these issues, both those facing men and those facing women are real and important issues, and they should both be addressed. But using them to stir up hatred toward some group that's not actually at fault (as you're doing with feminists) is completely counterproductive and makes people think that ANY focus on the issue is just anti-feminist/anti-(real) men's rights bullshit.Basically, don't be a fucking hypocrite. You're right that these issues are important, and you're right that sometimes people use stories not to raise awareness but to raise drama. BUT you're doing the exact thing that you're calling out by using a men's rights issue that needs attention as an anti-feminist talking point.
It's totally fair to blame feminism, bcs they're the ones constantly saying men don't deserve help bcs "muh historic oppression" , toxic masculinity and how privilaged men are despite the fact that men are the majority of assault and murder victims , are the majority of the homeless population , commit far more suicides and are demonized and portrayed as rapists , sexist and mysoginists by feminists.And speaking of hypocrisy. Here's a bit of feminist hypocrisy.If men are expected to take care of themselves and defend themselves, then so are women bcs we're supposed to be equal now.Yet I got called a sexist woman hater when I suggested that women should learn martial arts so they can defend themselves.
I looked through her opinion 4x to find anything pertaining to feminism... I didn't find anything.
@grega239 Toxic masculinity is LITERALLY what you're complaining about when you talk about people not taking abuse against men seriously. Toxic masculinity isn't just a behavior, it's a social expectation. It's expecting men to be more violent, more able to defend themselves, more likely to be dominant/the aggressor, and less inclined to seek help from others, among other things. Like, I'll grant that the term is maybe not named fantastically, but that is how it's used, and that is what in means in the feminist circles I see.What feminists say that men "don't deserve help"? Can you give examples please? It seems like you're straw manning pretty hard here, or possibly just taking the words of a few idiots to be the philosophy of an entire movement.
@ImagineSketchy its in the first sentence?
So easily overlook. Lol. Thought it was later in.
@cipher42 I don't necessarily believe feminism, on its own, is some evil man-hating thing. Feminism started as women wanting equal righst and we still have a long way to go as far as attaining equality and reshaping common attitudes and stereotypes about women. I was referencing something I have been seeing more and more frequently where so called feminists care less about equality and more about how awful guys are and they deserve nothing and having nothing to complain about and it's very much not true. I was talking more about the crazy radical Valerie Solanas witch-hunt type of feminism than people who genuinely love and care for other people and want true equality for all regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
It's fair to be against radicalism, it's not fair to act as though radicals represent the majority of the movement. Just like we shouldn't be against activism for men in general because some of it is coopted to rail against women/feminists, it's not useful to oppose feminism in general because some people use it as an excuse to hate men. And for the record, as someone who lives in a pretty liberal, pretty feminist area, and uses social media with a lot of feminist content, the actual "man hating" content I see is pretty few and far between, so it seems to me that it's really been blown rather out of proportion.
@cipher42 Feminism is a terrorism on men. It's as bad as being a radical muslim. This is what you support.
@ChocolateBrowny Could you explain how feminism as a whole uses violence and intimidation against men? And provide examples of this please, especially ones that demonstrate how the feminist movement as a whole endorses this.
@cipher42 I've experienced it with my own eyes in all areas of life (work, social setting, dating, living). I do not need to give you an essay about it.
@ChocolateBrowny You do need to provide evidence that something exists if you want people to believe that it does. Can you describe the situations you experienced? Anecdotes are at least something, though really I'd like to see descriptions of this kind of thing from sources other than a random person on the internet, so if you want to convince people it'd be helpful if you could also link other sources
@cipher42 go fuck yourself 🙄
@ChocolateBrowny Why? I asked nicely, for something that I don't think is unreasonable. Could you explain what your issue is with what I said?
@ChocolateBrowny Anecdotes are a form of bias and aren't reliable as evidence. So that's worth nothing.
@AuroraRoseat you can go fuck yourself too 😘
@ChocolateBrowny Nice comeback kid. :/
@cipher42 Give me examples that aren't either belittling men, telling them that they're "destroying gender norms", or anything else along those lines.
@cipher42 Cipher, you used the term toxic masculinity correctly. I commend you.
@SwordShield: Thanks. How much/where do you see people using it incorrectly? Also what is it that you want examples of?
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I thought men are stronger than women. So how can't they defend themself? I am not saying men can't be abused but i dont know i can't imagine.
@shinka1y234 my statement above is me being sarcastic.
Libtarded just has such a much better ring to it though...
Lo and behold, a Tide zombie trying to change the subject. You're a high level 2, not quite a level 3 zombie. A few more Pods should do the trick.
So I guess there are many female chucks because there are many abuse shelters for women
@ObscuredBeyond I love waking up to the angry responses of the snowflakes living within the Trumptarded community. It makes my Tide Pods taste even better. And just so you know, I only eat Free & Gentle pods now. They are very easy on the delicate digestive systems of hot gurls like me. :)
And are you just gonna dodge what I said? How sad lmao
Oh please help yourself to the whole tub. Also a few cups of bleach to wash it down...
@backintown Mmmmm. Pods DO go well with bleach! Now I am seriously craving a bowl!melmagazine.com/.../1mRSaQh0SjSrr16Spm1qikQ.jpeg
Almost half of the domestic abuses are from women. Around 40% if I remember the stats.
So if it was in reverse and women were the minority in these cases should it not be taken seriously?
@Guanfei If you showed a source, you wouldn't have to remember.
@Tulips11 No offense, because I don't blame you for your ignorance, but the reason there are not more shelters for abused men is because most people (like you) are unaware of the facts.www.emerald.com/.../html
@backdoorman I can't see the whole paper. From the summary, below, it's not clear if men are more often the victims in each of those three categories, or all three as a group. In the latter case, that would be equating being told "no" to sex with hitting your partner. Is there a link to the whole thing?"FindingsIn the last year, males are more often the victim of intimate partner physical violence, psychological aggression and control over sexual/reproductive health."
fucking hell some of the responses in this thread really makes me ashamed to be a part of such a society that helps one type of victim while scorning and ignoring another.
lol (too short apparently)
Ye, if there's no clear reason why we shouldn't have them, they sound good to me.
Statistics show women commit the majority of spousal abuse. You won't hear that fake in the fake media.
Give me the sources of these statistics.
http://newscastmedia.com/domestic-violence.htm"Women commit 70% of domestic violence"Also, lesbians have the highest dv rate that any group on Earth.en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Domestic_violence"In 2011, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released the 2010 results of their National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey and report that 44% of lesbian women, 61% of bisexual women, and 35% of heterosexual women experienced domestic violence in their lifetime. This same report states that 26% of gay men, 37% of bisexual men, and 29% of heterosexual men experienced domestic violence in their lifetime"The claim that men commit most abuse is rooted in the fact that women are more valued than men in any human society, therefore any violence, mutilation, or murder by a woman against a man is deemed to be justified and trivial while the inverse is horrific and plastered daily all over the media. This is unlikely to ever change as it's human nature.
I mena what are the sources and stufys behind these articles. Also, for future refernece wikipedia can be updated by anyone.
The first one is a study by Harvard.The Wikipedia one has links in the article itself which you can follow to verify the quotes.
just fyi a woman at our local bar raised her voice and it could be heard everywhere, all because a guy simply looked at another woman. I was inside and the guy got slapped, emotionally abused and then she walked off. No one stopped her, the bar staff (both women) stood and watched. Imagine her inside a house with him. All you can do is laugh at it like we are made of stone and nothing can break us.
As a man i fully agree! 😂
@ChocolateBrowny why would a man in a relationship stare at another woman in a way which was probably inappropriate. It was probably the right thing which she did.
she had no humility, she caused a scene and made the woman he looked at feel sorry for him and she then got him a drink and sat with him.
I hate Ignorant people!!! You really shouldn't comment if you don't have anything Intelligent to Contribute!!!
You're insane. If you so much as notice a rival company spokesman at a convention center, and then your own boss demeans you in front of the entire convention for it... you're okay with that?
@ObscuredBeyond, Anonymous and @johncutler152 arecjust Ignorant Insignificant Morons that Lack Life Skills and Knowledge!!!
I don't know if that's necessarily true... Each gender has their own set of problems and you could spend all day arguing about who has it worse. Life sucks for everybody, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
Thanks for being smart enough to understand this!
Shut your mouth, you're not proving your cool by speaking over the internet about a horrible experience you haven't had.
Truly men of this era are pathetic. No need to further entertain this foolishness.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Thanks for oversimplifying. Autism does that LOL.
In the UK the statistics are that 15% of all men will suffer from domestic abuse in their lives and 700,000 victims out of 1,900,000 annually are men, so thats roughly 1 in 3 victims being male.
Which is what I just said
1 in 3 hardly constitutes as "waaaaay less", 1 in 3 is an epidemic. If a cancer patient is given a 1 in 3 chance of dying from the cancer, that would be a pretty big cause for concern.
@Nadim171 1 in 3... not 3, by that logic womens shelters only have 6 people per shelter.@SomeGuyCalledTom I agree waaaay less is a fucked up way of looking at it but its 1 in 20 of all men who will suffer it. But thats still less than smoking causes per year and we see that as a huge problem.
4 out of every 10 abuse victims are men.
Men make up roughly 40% of victims, nearly half.
That is not true!
It's true cuz I am one of them men. it was horrible coming back from work getting punched and put in a box and everything. One day I found out about an abuse shelter and I went to be protected but found out it was for women only! Now I'm homeless on the streets and haven't had a shower for 3 weeks. HELP ME PLEASE!!! 😭😭😭
@ravagesavage you’re silly 😂😂😂
Search it up.
Wym bruh no need to Google it I'm a prime example of that
Show me one link to a study that wasn’t funded by a men’s rights group that says that
Uh oh! that's a tough one 😮
@WhiteShoulder Caught it! ✋✊
It’s extremely common, I’ve been beat in 2/3 of my relationships I’ve had, women beat men all the time and get away with it
You can search it up yourself. It's not even made by a men's group.
Every study reflects the bias of the people funding it
Well nobody funds men’s rights because nobody gives a shit about men so it’s obviously not bias towards that
@Someguynamedbob the Rand Corporation does
Never heard of them surprised they don’t get attacked by angry feminists for saying they support men’s rights
@Someguynamedbob they do
Found it. Also it is well known that 40% of demestic abuse victims are men.https://ncadv.org/statistics
1 in 7. Surprisingly high https://www.thehotline.org/resources/statistics/
And to clarify that 1 in 7 is based off of all men. If you just compare the number of women to men that experience demestic violence it is around 40%.
Yo... What my guy 😂😂😂
@nathanp97 I'm thinking people forget that some men have male partners too. It would be very easy for some men to over power their partner and hit them. And some women are very angry people. I listen to a comedian who described his girlfriend hitting in on multiple occasions in the past. His biological family was pretty messed up so he used to lack self esteem.
"I'm thinking people forget that some [women] have [female] partners too. It would be very easy for some [women] to overpower and hit them." As as you said "some women are very angry people." Part of the reason men get abused in relationships so much is because men are always told not to hit a girl, and if they do they get in trouble. People often laugh when men are beaten up by women. If a women hits a man and he defends himself with no one around he will end up in prison. If he does it in public with others around he risks getting beaten up by other people.
@sejla the last large US data set I’ve seen suggested lesbian relationships had the highest rate of physical violence, but yes male male violence is an issue. However underplaying female on male violence goes back to the first shelters. The woman who founded the first women’s shelter in the world (in 1971) was pretty much driven out of the UK for noting that most violence was reciprocal and trying to help men as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey
@0112358 1 in 4 women, 1 in 9 men
It is true that 40% of abuse victims are men. Probably more because like other people have said those are the few who are willing to come forward and speak up about it.
that 1 in 4 women is an inflated number that liberally takes accusations and misbeliefs to fuel its high percentage.
@Blightly I have been
Damn this got disliked to hell 💀
@ravagesavage didn’t even notice 😂
Ya know what, I have been too. I can think of the one time some person off handedly did something to me that kinda sorta borders on the beginning of abuse if you think about it in an off context kinda way so therefore I WAS ABUSED TOOergo a 1 in 4 number inflated by erroneous declarations of assault, abuse and rape (honestly, i have no clue how people can pull this bs with rape but they still do it to drive their statistics)
@Blightly he hit me. And abused me emotionally.
No way, I was hit by a girl and mentally abused too. We have so much in common!
@Blightly I would feel bad for you, but I can tell you’re being sarcastic. I’m not an idiot.
Really now? My experiences go straight out the window huh?
What do you mean by that?
@leahzrc I think you mean re-education camps where the patients are treated like political prisoners.
@leahzrc That’s a really disgusting thing to say. Nobody deserves to be locked away in one of those nightmarish places.
have you ever been to inpatient...
No and I don’t ever want to be one. There are plenty of cases of abuse and mistreatment that take place in those places. Not to mention that the field of psychiatry is dominated by liberals.
Okay if you have never been to one, then you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Inpatient is a place for people who need help. Abuse can takes place at any kind of establishment but help is available at these places. Abused women and children have been there so I don't understand how it is disgusting for me to suggest that abused men could find help there. People can sign themselves in, it's not a prison... I don't understand how you assume that people with liberal beliefs dominate the field of psychiatry... As a person with a troubled past, I have met a variety of every kind of person out there. I don't understand why you have to act like you know something about something that you don't even have experience with, inpatient isn't an asylum, it is a hospital, it is for people who need help because of something of psychological impact
@leahzrcNow you’re using an appeal to ignorance fallacy. Let me make something perfectly clear, I don’t need to have personal experience in those places to know what is going on in those places. All I have to do is ask people who’ve been there to know that those places can be corrupt and full of abusive staff.One of the many problems with the field of psychiatry is how shrinks love to attach unwarranted labels onto people in order to make profits of them. You’re naive if you truly think abuse and neglect is nonexistent in psych wards. Every year, there are new cases of abuse that are brought to light. www.madinamerica.com/.../www.google.com/.../story.html%3foutputType=amp
How did you not understand that I said that there is abuse in those places the same as any other kind of place, office building, construction work, any kind of work can have abuse. Also they don't attach unwarranted labels onto people and it's quite clear that you have no idea what a psych ward is actually like. Its mental rehabilitation. Stop confusing it with mental asylums that you see on some dumb tv shows... People could literally sign themselves in, for the safety of themselves or others. People that work in those places have shitty pay. Helping people is the main focus of those workers because they know what its like and want to care for those who are struggling in those times. Calling me naive is absolutely ignorant, I've gotten help before, I know how those places work. The patients form relationships with the nurses and staff. Aggressive patients are there for obvious different reasons and they will be separated from those who need different kinds of help. You obviously are sold on a false fantasy of inpatient, but tell me, what shelter do you want abused men to go to? Do women go there to get abused more?
You don’t really know what a 5150 hold is do you.
I do. What the hell does that have to do with an abused man?
The 5150 hold is occasionally used as a loophole to wrongly institutionalize people.
And to answer the second part of your reply. You called all men mentally ill by saying psych prisons *cough cough* hospitals are for men. So don’t act surprised as to why 15 guys (myself included) downvoted your remarks.And no, when women suffer abuse they don’t go to psych wards they go to “women’s shelters” where only women are allowed.The premise of the question was asking why Women are allowed to have their own shelters Yet men aren’t allowed to have their own shelters? Do you see the double standard?
when did anything that i said mention that all men belong in prison psych hospitals? you’re actually crazy... my response was suggesting an alternative how do you not understand
You didn’t even read my reply did you. And there you go again making baseless assumptions.
because you dont understand what i said
No, you’re just trying to retract and modify the meaning of what your originally said. How would you like it if the question was asking for “well paying jobs for women” and someone comments “strip clubs”? You wouldn’t like that remark would you? You would most likely assume that person is being sarcastic because it’s a false dichotomy. Same goes for your comment, it sounded sarcastic and is a false dichotomy, not to mention that it was also vague.The question was specifically referring to shelters, not medical services and thus your original comment didn’t answer the question. Do you understand now?
how did i modify anything im done reading your messages because you really just misunderstood my comment