What quality makes them "... generally a weird fucking thing to collect"?
Symbolism, and the circumstances surrounding that collection. Symbolism- while fetal remains literally, objectively are just clumps of cells, they can mean more than that to some people. The fact that this person collected them indicates that to them, the remains really were more than clumps of cells. Probably, something to do with anti-abortion beliefs, of a particularly zealous kind, possibly with a touch of mental illness involved. Circumstances- how did they get those? Why would they collect them (again, raises questions about mental health and their beliefs about the nature of fetal remains)? What were they gonna go with them?
Seems like a lot to consider when trying to discern whether or not collecting fetal remains is weird
Not really. I wouldn't say it's the explicit reasoning, but I do think it's what's implicit, for people who do view fetuses as not really being full living things at least. A lot of people judgements about what something means/what's normal/whatever is based on surprisingly complicated reasoning tbh- even just understanding basic communication requires it. In any case, those are the reasons I personally think it's weird. And the real point is, it's really not required that someone think of something as sacred/living/whatever to be weirded out about someone collecting it. I think it'd be weird for someone to have 2000 dead snails, or worms, or all sorts of animal chunks. The fact that this is: a. something presumably originating from a medical procedure and b. something a lot of people care a lot about sometimes in weird ways; just makes this super extra weird. It's not about what fetal remains mean to me, it's about what they mean to the person collecting them..
You've made a thoughtful and interesting argument, but it's as though the whole fetus issue is complicating things. To be honest, I don't think this story is really any more creepy than somebody having 2000 dog ears in their house it's just fucked up.
Fair enough. I think having 2000 of anything that's not a thing people normally collect/have a lot of is a pretty big weird factor. Even someone with 2000 of a usually collected thing makes me wonder a little. If you wanna bring down the nuance, I think the thing here is that fetal remains are just so very much NOT a normally collected thing, and that they're something that are associated with a lot of cultural baggage. But I do honestly think that it can be as nuanced as I'm making it- maybe just if you think about it enough to rationalize why rather than for the knee jerk "weird" reaction, but still, even knee jerk reactions can have a lot of complexity behind them I think (speaking as someone who studies language- just interpreting an individual word/phrase can be pretty complicated sometimes, yet we do it super fast and on the fly without much conscious thought)
There's a huge difference between being deranged and weird For example, 2000 stamps is odd, 2000 eyeballs is psychotic. Being unable to see the forest for the trees is especially true when bogged down in a hyperfocused battle over details
Well yeah, like I said, the fact that its specifically fetal remains makes for a lot of extra weirdness. But the weird factor of collecting a lot of anything definitely laid the ground work- and makes it bizzare weird rather than strictly horrifying and gross weird. I don't know, weirdness is complicated and I'm sure its very different for different folks, but I've given my theories at least
We can agree that things are oftentimes much more complicated than people realize. Thanks for your thoughts👍
Why does the amount matter? Is keeping the remains of a single fetus any more or less acceptable than thousands?
It's not everyday you find 2000 weird things, hence it's a bit odd.But to answer your questions, I do not know for sure.I don't mind though.
At least you're consistent
Hell yeah. It's safe to assume that the rationale for keeping them wouldn't be widely accepted as morally sound
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Is there any explanation of how or why that's not creepy?
I haven't had any luck thinking of one
Probably Trump 🙄
@ConfusednClueless Trump is very much against late term abortion, because the baby can feel pain. Elizabeth doesn't give a crap about that, she loves late term abortions. So I'm thinking this creep wasn't Trump, but instead it was Pocahontas.