Holy shit, you literally said everything I wanted to say. Nice!
I watched a short video on the BBC of Canadians being asked what they thought about it. 3-4 POC were asked: they said they didn’t care much about it. The only person who called it “racist” was a white woman.
Right on Rei. Keep exposing those dumbfuck libtards.
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He is not acting black he is acting arab
Colorism or the idea of white superiority and therefore racism applied to any darker toned race, whether it be Middle Eastern people, Austrailian aboriginals, or Africans.
@Lightning8 If the dress up is to show your primacy or control over a group, it's not right. If it's making fun of the group, it's not right. Whereas in the film Tropic Thunder, the joke was the method actor Australian who was itching for another Academy award and went so deep into character he couldn[t get our. The joke was on the character. Dressing up to mimic a real life person, such as Billy Crystal's uncanny imitation of Sammy Davis Jr. many years ago, was an homage to Davis. And Crystal looked and sounded so much like Davis it was stupefying. He did a Fernando Lamas homage, "You look MAHvelus." Which ridiculed Lamas' heavy Spanish accent and his perfect hair and suits. He wasn't ridiculing everyone of South American heritage. Just the actor. And it wasn't mean or vindictive. The idea of black or Middle Eastern or American Indian "face" to represent an entire group comes off as crass. You can't represent everyone of a group. And that comes off as racist/sexist/colonist. You don't see individuals. You don't note outstanding members. And you can't act "black" or "Arab." You have to choose a particular person to portray and act like them or like historical portrayals of them. There is no black or Arab monolithic stereotype. This is when racism gets charged. Stereotypes usually are made to ridicule. They are exclusive, not inclusive. They do not elevate. They denigrate.
Right, that's why I said what Tropic Thunder did was different. There's nuance to it. Here I don't see what's the nuance in Trudeau's black face and dress up. It even looks more like the mean spirited black face. And so at the very least, it's insensitive especially from someone who's the opposite of a comedian.
Oops I'm sorry wrong comment.
@Lightning8 Someone told him it was funny and he believed it. People don't think sometimes... Unfortunate...
Would you feel the same if a conservative party candidate did the same? Would you think the candidate had no intention of being racist? This story actually screams he intended to be racist and he pretends he never remembered doing it.
Naw I just judge him on his corruption scandals, zero plans for a budget (budgets don’t valence themselves), his respect for a communist leader who killed millions, raising taxes on small businesses and middle class, sending billions for foreign aid in the middle of a depression, and actively working against Canada’s energy sector, that’s what he should be judged on
@Xyline789 I'm a liberal but yes I'd feel the same way about a conservative candidate. Unless the candidate has made previous racist comments or actions, I wouldn't see any racist intention behind this. I have never heard or seen Trudeau say or do any racist.
How can you like this dude as a PM?
You like him? He doesn't like you.
I'm looking down at other responses and I'm definitely seeing a bunch of people being tricked by thinking this minor mistake he made some 18 years ago is somehow the one piece of information they need to decide who should win the election. People who will never even look at what bad things Trudeau's opponents have done in their lives. Totally falling for the manipulation.The only reason any politician (of any political party in any country) ever makes an attack ad is to try and redirect your anger away from the bad shit they themselves have done. It's a major red flag for ANY politician to put out an attack ad against ANYONE for ANY reason.
Seriously... you're really gonna claim you don't know this is offensive?
You must not know North Anerican history in relation to "blacks", "whites", and racism. Black face was done a lot as recently as the 20th century. It often appeared in comedic fasion to depict the percieved biological, cultural and overall ontological superioity of "whiteness" over "blackness". And I mean, just take a second to observe the very terminology we still use today.
I completely agree with you and I don't understand what @kittycat119 and @Lightning8 are talking about.He dressed up as a black person.. So? Was self-mocking himself while in character? Was he making serious racist remarks? So what's the problem? This American racism shit has got to stop. The more you make race an issue, the more an issue race becomes. You know why it doesn't bother me or OP? Because we're not racist!You guys laugh your ass off when Chris Rock or Russel Peters are joking about white people, don't you? But somehow Justin wearing a black face, that's offensive? Why? Because he's white? That means you're racist af, you're literally saying he can't do something because of his skin color. Would you be offended if he was dressed as a native American? Because he has done that too! I don't see the outrage. What about a samurai? Would you be mad? Weren't Asians and natives "screwed over by the white man"? Why is there no outrage for that? Right here, proof you're biased. ... This is literally an issue only in America.
Well let me tell you, when regular people, usually stupid college kids, get caught posing in black face, the consequences are extremely dire, they get kicked out of school, lose their job, become social pariahs, it's quite devastating. But all of a sudden a famous politician does it and he hasn't even gotten a slap on the wrist for it. That's what's fucked up. "Laws for thee, but not for me."
@akiflyer... I literally just explained it, why aren't you acknowledging the historical context I gave you? Race might be less of an issue than has recently been made in America/Canada, but you are now stepping into legitimately disrespectful, naive and dare I say "racist" territory when you attempt to delegitimize it down tp being no issue at all. I like that you're thinking, try to think more though. Trudeau's black face here appears more like a reference to the very racist early 20th century black face, as opposed to something like Robert Downy Jr's role in Tropic Thunder. And please do tell us all about the history of "white face". Since, well there simply must have been a time where the whole of North American society treated white people as 2nd class while making mean spirited jokes on their aesthetic.
Also note that the middle pic isn't even supposed to be a Black person per se. Offensive is offensive. If someone is representing you, you should probably know who they are, no matter the country.
@lighting8That's not good enough. By your logic Vegas is being very insensitive by dressing up as Romans! They enslaved people you know?It was literally 100 years ago, let it go. The more you make race an issue, the more of an issue it becomes. The very fact you want this to be a racist issue is sad. Did he dress it to offend people? Was his point to belittled, discriminated or incite any feelings of inferiority towards a race? Do you think old Tom and jerry cartoons affected a whole generation of kids for having a black face joke? You know what kids thought? "haha he looks like a black person but he isn't."It has nothing to do with nativity. Do explain justin's racist political and social commentary by wearing this. Go on. You can't because you're the one inferring this as racist, he's just looking like a black person, it's not even an offensive portrayal. You just want to promote this victim attitude. The world will be truly free of racism not when people stop making references to race, but when you look at this costume and see nothing... Because that's what it is now, nothing, it affects no one today. But all that you see is racism and being treated as a second class citizen because that's what you think of black people. All you see is a white man and a black person. Dude, that's real racism right there.
@akiflyer Again you're thinking, but please think more. Las Vegas didn't ever colonize, share land/society, or even interact with Rome at all. The Roman Empire fell long before ol Sin City was established. So... your metaphor isn't good enough compare to Black history. I mean do you even pay any attention to Black history month anyway? 100 years ago. ... Yeah so let's just forget that there needed to be a Civil Rights movement. Again, black history?I don't know what his intention was. But he isn't trying to be a comedian, he is trying to obtain political power. Assessing his character is the responsibility of the people. And character does have some bearing on one's ability to govern.You're likely not a black person, so I wouldn't expect you to be very sensitive to things that have been offensive to so many black people. But all I'm saying is that whether you find Trudeau sexy or not, this isn't something you overlook from a political cadidate. You should probably take note whether you vote for or against.
*your metaphor isn't good enough [to] compare to Black history*
You know what, Black history month and the Civil Rights movement are American events, not Canadian. Pardon for bringing it up.
Look, I get what you're trying to say but to me racism is about context. This costume is only offensive if you have your own prejudices.Best thing you can do to end racism is to ignore it. I don't think justin has ever even made racist policies... If it were trump doing a black face and acting like an idiot, I'd be way more offended... More because its in bad taste than actual racism.
No I hear you. But I'll put it to you this way; you don't have to see your partner actually cheat on you, in order to pick up on subtle details that can lead you to suspect that they have either done so, or may do so in the future. Canada isn't really innocent either when it comes to colorism at least.Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. What makes the problem worse is when it is exploited, either for personal gain or to put down others. That's the problem I think you're having with this; often this sort of revalation is used as a tactic. That doesn't mean the problem isn't a problem, it's just being exploited.
To be precise... Canada doesn’t elect him. We have no president. He’s more the Canadian version of like Nancy pelosi.
I understand how the system works in Canada.I guess I should have asked if The Liberal party will remain a majority in parliament.
I don't know about you but I went to plenty of Halloween parties and never did a black face one cuz it's weird and ugly a d you end up looking stupid. And instead of putting on a outfit which should resemble whatever he was trying to do he decided to paint his skin so he is a different race and probably only did it so it could be funny and he will be considered "cool" essentially what a class clown would do
Drink sould be stink
With his rise and fall finally the feminist gender benders will die out and us as a society we can focus on real life issues rather than non existing issues.
Several years ago he dressed up as a Muslim, and I guess that's racist and cultural appropriation or something...
@Melshmallow046 muslim ain't a race tho.. or a culture
Melshmallow046 so the mans thought i want to relate? Then it was flipped on him by sjw?