Education doesn't matter. Thats an excuse by racist people. 5 black workers Same department 20 years experience Knows everything about clients and dept.White personWorked in Same position as blacks 9 Months Trained by black coworkers Bachelors degreeWho do you promote?
Education matters when it comes to pay and promotion.When it comes to promoting i wouldn't see color id base soley on merit so.5 ... workersSame department20 years experienceKnows everything about clients and dept.VS... personWorked in Same position as blacks 9 MonthsTrained by... coworkersBachelors degreeWho do you promote?Answer. Id promote the guy who went to college as he is better qualified. If you want promoted I suggest you go to college and get a degree in the relevant field you work in.
I can personally tell you from business experience that education does not matter. I have more education than the Vice President of the company. I have been denied jobs when I had the most education compared to other whites. Even fast food jobs.People get promoted by nepotism and friendships. Not qualifications. Thats why only white men and women are in positions of power.
1. Yes. My coworkers told me.2. Yes. My coworkers told me.
They were not being promoted because they white mangers befriended the new white college hires. The managers felt more comfortable with whites on a daily basis than blacks. The truth is if the people were white none of you guys would be making up excuses for management not developing and promoting talent.
It's not an excuse. You and everyone else needs to look at this from a legal standpoint. You cannot say sue a company for it's racists practices because "you feel" they are in the wrong. You need to be able to prove it from a legal standpoint and so far saying "well they've been passed over for white people," doesn't prove racism unless you can prove that on paper, the newer hires were far less qualified for the positions, or the black employees were being mistreated in a racist manner or otherwise, and this wasn't a simple case of they didn't want the promotions. You've left out so many details that reading this, it's easy for someone to get swept up in, "it must be racism," but having dealt with situations like this before in which a manager sued the company and won for it's racist practices, she had to prove it with hardcore evidence because lawyers will eat you apart if you're just saying well "it's clear this is racism." No, prove it with evidence which is what your co-workers will need to do if they intend to pursue some form of legal action. I gather if you were on the other end of things, you wouldn't want someone just accusing you of something without proof, so if you feel there is a case for them or they do, then by all means, just make sure you can back it up.
Oh. I see what you mean. No. I never mentioned anything about a lawsuit. It was just a morality question. Nothing legal.
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I dont have to lay out everything. Your very thinking is racist because your are desperate to try to prove or find excuses for black workers being in their exact same position for 2 decades. If you weren't racist you would realize that 20 years of experience by itself within a department is more reason to promote someone than a white person whos only worked at the position for a few months. Even if the black person has no degree its not an excuse. By the way, the next position doesn't require a 4 year degree.Lastly, isn't a company supposed to grow its employees?
Yeah turns out the White guy has a college education and the black guys do not.
@White-American89 uhm so? Who cares? Experience matters more than education right? If not, I as a black man would have my bosses job. But how is a company with a whole division of minorities in the same position for 2 decades even okay? And trust me. I work with them. They have more knowledge than the new white managers. Its funny. Look at Zuckerberg and others without a degree. Hmmm.
We are talking about one person. We are talking about an entire division of blacks over decades not promoted.
Who cares about the past? We're talking about now. And you gave us literally no information, nothing about their skills and qualifications for a higher position. The only thing you told us was the color of their skin, and judging a situation based purely upon the color of their skin is extremely racist.
Yes. Exactly. I dont need to give you any information. Its very simple. For 2 decades, an entire division of black people were not promoted. Most of them helped train new white co workers on how to do their job. Then those white coworkers they trend became their bosses. This happened over the course of 20 years. I am the only black person in the entire region promoted to a higher position. The ONLY minority in the entire region. To get promoted as a black person, I had to have a graduate degree compared to all of the other Case Managers who only have a Bachelor's degree. I also did not come from the division that hasn't promoted blacks. I came from a different division. The 2 blacks with 20 years of experience in the division didn't get the job. I did despite knowing nothing about how the division operates. The other difference is my look and personality is more Barack Obama and the others have darker skin.
I refuse to make a decision about this until I learn more information than just one groups skin color, otherwise you're just racist.
Thats because you have implicit bias. You see basic facts and try to make excuses. That is because deep down inside you think that black people are ghetto, less intelligent, and less capable than whites. If this story was just about no women being promoted over 20 to 25 years in a division, you and everyone say its outrageous and sexist. But thats because mentally in your head you will picture a white woman rather than a black one. And you will assume that in an entire division of white women, at least one person should have qualified for promotion. If they were bad at their job why would they be there 20 years? See, you identify with empathy the plight of women because you assume they are white women. But if I make it only an example of blacks with the same facts... you make excuses. Because you might be racist and not know it yet. Not just you, but most people who replied to the question.
How am I racist for wanting to know all the facts before I make a decision?Wasn't it Martin Luther King jr. Who said "... be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." That quote works both ways.
Exactly, the black workers have strong character. the white managers had them train the white workers. But the white workers were promoted because they were white.
Are you sure there was no other reason?
Yes. Because we are not talking about one person. We are talking about all black workers over the course of 25 years. Nobody has been promoted.
Because it sounds like all you read was "black people not being prompted" and you decided that it HAD to be a racist thing.
Yeah. Pretty much thats what I mean. Ibe person or a few. But zero people in 30 years. Yeah. Racist for sure.
Did you even bother to research other possibilities? Are they bad employees? So they not get along well with their superiors or other employees? Are they just not qualified for a higher position? If you are not racist, you'd take the time to rule out all other possibilities before making it a race thing.
What you are saying is that all black employees for 25 years are unqualified for some random excuse. All of them are people I work with. They work hard. But you're grasping here for excuses it seems. Thats what they said about women in the 1950s. "Maybe women have lower pay and aren't promoted because they aren't as educated or qualified..." yeah...25 years is just a coincidence.
Notice how I said nothing about the past. It's a fact that racism has existed in the past, especially that long ago. But we're talking about now. You can be better than your predecessors.
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