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You aren’t defending Boris, just who the actual FUCK was David Cameron so easily egged on into this position?He somehow thought hands down that he would win, no contest. But still, WHY?I’ve hated Cameron for a longtime and wished to see him go, but not like that. He was never pro-Brexit so he did have to go but such a fuck up entirely. Overly confident POS without a backup plan. Still, it was a sign of what was to come in the US. We all feared it and this cemented the fears a bit. Young people in the US are encouraged to move to rural areas if they can work from home to dilute rural votes. You can’t have people without a high school degree carrying 3 times the voting power as a person living in a city. Cameron majorly fucked the whole Western Order by pulling this. I’m mostly mad about Ireland these days but the financial markets are a mess. Lloyd’s of London is a mess.
Lol, no from now on Boris must speak in sign language only. Thanks for getting me. Power is less centralized in Britain he’s head of government but not state. But still the parties are usually extremely cohesive but they had a defector and even Boris’s own brother resigned. Clearly more duty to country than party. The US really needs to look at who we are putting into The House and if they are actually voting for their district or just DC party lines. These people district shop and aren’t there for the right reasons. They don’t listen to their constituents and don’t answer to them, they answer to their donors. I moved less than a mile in my town and changes reps to a Republican. No point in writing him, he knows he doesn’t have my vote. Part of the pack and crack strategy. before the move I could write my rep and did but I was preaching to the choir. His whole district was blue. Still we try.
No one voted for a no deal Brexit. They were lied to.
@asker... thats not fair... many of them dont care about a deal but the only way to sort it now is a second referendum with remain or what brexit actually looks like on the paper. and if its close again so be it but its still more deocratic than stomping you feet on one side or the other. personally im a remainer but jo swinson is so wrong to take the revoke stance as is boris to ignore the law
No deal wasn't an option but that does not mean that many people didn't vote with a "no deal" in mind. What is absolutely certain is that remain lost. Remain has no mandate.Brexit 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
@wankiam people dumb enough to believe it were led down the path of they need us more than we need them sort of thing. No anticipation of guess what, London is no longer the financial hub of Europe, Lloyd’s will be decentralized plus all of the other nightmarish things. Even with a decent deal these two main things are happening plus the Irish Issue. It’s so maddening, regretfully stupid and I don't know on the second referendum. Would the EU even recognise? The UK had a perfect setup within the EU, kept the sterling and kept their borders outside of the Schengen. From the outside no one was questioning your autonomy and you’ve only been made to look much weaker.
im pro Europe for political reasons and personal reasons too so you are preaching to the choir but im just saying that in the interests of democracy we need to put it back to the people now everyone can see what no deal means. the lib dem stance that they will revoke is just wrong
Any second referendum should only include deal or no deal. The decision to leave has been made by the people.Every time we vote in a general election we do so based on how things are now, how we are told that they can or will be and how much of that we actually believe. The referendum was no different. The suggestion that leave voters were simply conned and were too stupid to know what they were voting for is a remainer narrative that seeks to justify overturning a democratic vote that they just didn't like the result of.No second referendum. If remainers want Brexit stopped then they can vote in Labour or the Liberal Democrats in a general election. If those parties stop running from it, that is.
that is actually labours plan so i agree to that extent but we both know why they are holding back from a call for that right now and i dont agree with remaining not being on the paper but it is fair to have no deal on it too
the eu dont get a say in it
The EU has wanted them gone sui ce 2016, they wanted a swift exit and to make a lesson from it.
that was a negotiating stance but i really dont think its a truth
Three years later..
good point so would they have granted us the past extensions if they wanted us out? i mean i can understand their patience will run out sooner rather than later but if we leave with no deal its no good for them or us
@wankiam I hope you have a happy Halloween!
see i dont celebrate that commercialized festival and i won't be celebrating a no deal brexshit either... whatever your opinions are on the subject the whole thing is going to affect me more directly than most so whilst i dont think the lib dem position is democratic i still wish it would all just fuck off
@wankiam Calm down buddy..
oh im calm... just making my position clear. thats how conversation works ;)
@wankiam Thanks for reminding me, as I had no idea what the reply button did!
what its supposed to do is further a conversation so maybe you could have explained how you see it from your side of the pond rather than getting what looks like 'salty'... i would be genuinely interested
@wankiam I did in my OP.. May couldn't (or wouldn't) get it done and neither will Johnson on Halloween. I hope I'm wrong.
what you said was the eu wouldn't allow it... its not their call so wondered why as an American you though it was. it would be interesting to know how its reported there and how much people actually know about the whole process...
@wankiam Isn't 3 years enough of a process?
its all because of the closeness of the vote and the argument that there was a lot of misinformation at the time and indeed since... the problem with democracy as a whole is it needs a clear majority which is why today we dont just see brexit being questioned but also the whole democratic system. now brexiteers will come and call this bullshit im sure but its an observation rather than my own partisan views on it all and when we start looking further afield and seeing the rise inpopulism acreoss Europe and beyond, including the states, we also witness this same kind of deadlock
@wankiam Ahh, holding out for that second referendum?
to me its the only way forward but in the interests of democrasy i would prefer it not just to have remain or a new deal o the balot paper. i do think no deal needs to be on it too
@wankiam No deal.
so we have boris wanting to take us out on wto rules with no deals with the eu... we have the lib dems wanting to just revoke article 50... in other words cancel brexit and we have labour wanting to negotiate a new prospective trade deal and have a second referendum with their new deal or remain on the paper... now personally im a labour voter and always will be but i do think that the boris option has to be on the paper too... hope that makes sense
@wankiam Yes, remain. The crown rests..
@wankiam not negotiating stance. Lloyd’s of London is moving to Brussels. The shame of that alone is crippling. Everyone is tired of it, the EU isn’t afraid to lose the UK anymore.
you must have missed my point because you are preaching to the choir with that statement
They’ve got a government that actually fucking works.
At least Compared to ours I’m sure, at least they actually have a healthcare system that’s actually designed to help them and not to fuck them over