This in a nutshell. Most people on this site take hearsay as truth, so I wouldn't expect them to be informed on something as politically complex as Affirmative Action. This isn't the best site to ask such a question on if getting an informed answer is the goal.
@Starrk ok you tell me what you know
Or you can just read about it here: en.wikipedia.org/.../Affirmative_action_in_the_United_States
And there's this short video from Crash Course, a good YouTube channel resource.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJgQR6xiZGs
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The rest of the comments about “muh unearned blah blah.” It’s nonsense. Government intervention is why minorities are worse off. Biased liberal racism is why minorities are worse off. You don’t need to argue about how black people are lazy or whatever stupid shit you think. People need to have freedom and that’s what. We should be aiming for. Greater freedom equals greater economic mobility. The history shows it. The history shows when liberal policy is enacted, the people in those areas become poorer and poorer. Thy are victims. But not of a racist America. They ar victims of the left and it’s idiotic philosophies.
How many leftists will be offended and block me? Your retarded perspectives only hurt people but you believe youare the moral just people and everyone else is racist. Sadly, a lot are. But I’m not one of them. I advocate for freedom. They advocate for silly ass racist arguments that don’t make sense.
Thank You. I agree
I just can't imagine another more patronizing than learning I was only hired because I'm Latino and the company needed a certain number of browns and blacks to fill their weird little pokedex of diversity.
I don't know who that man is but if he actually said all those things, then he is truly one ignorant person, who needs to retake every single American History course we have available.
@Starrk Blacks would still be slaves to this day if white people hadn't felt bad and freed them. They couldn't have done it themselves. In fact you can go over to parts of Africa right now, today, and STILL buy a black slave. They're still practicing slavery over there right now.Truth is, slavery has existed in Africa for at least 5,000 years and white people were only involved in less than four hundred years of that. The Atlantic slave trade at it's absolute height was only about 1/3rd the size and scope of the Arab Slave trade. And the way they treated their slaves makes the way we treated our slaves look humane by comparison. There's some history for you.
Chattel slavery would have naturally ended centuries ago in the developed world. Slavery is not a feasible economic system for an industrialized nation like the US or Europe to maintain. It's inefficient, slow, laborious and highly expensive to maintain. One of the reasons why the South has historically been poorer than the North is because the Southern States maintained slavery while the North adopted Industrialization. Had the South ended slavery prior to the Civil War, there wouldn't be such an economic disparity between the two regions.Also, why are you shifting the conversation to slavery? His quote and the issue I have with it have nothing to do with slavery, but more so his ignorance on the root cause of racism in the US. He's justifying racism toward Black Americans by insinuating that Black Americans are the cause of why white people are racist toward them. That explanation is not only egregious but it goes completely against history, which is why I said he needs to take some courses in American history.
Also, since you opened Pandora's Box about the Arab Slave Trade let me give you some history. First of all, the Atlantic Slave Trade was far more massive in scope compared to the Arab Slave Trade, when you take into consideration the number of slaves and start/end date. The Atlantic Slave Trade is believed to have involved about 13 million slaves, while the Arab Slave trade is believed to have involved 16 million slaves (and that's a high estimate). While the Arab Slave trade involved more slaves keep in mind it took over 1000 years to get to that number. Meanwhile, the Atlantic Slave Trade nearly rivaled that number in less than 400 years.As far as the Arab Slave trade being worst. First of all, not only is that incorrect but even if it was correct it doesn't automatically make the Atlantic Slave Trade good by any means. They were both shitty systems. The Arab Slave trade was more similar to being a serf or indentured servant. Most slaves in the Arab Slave trade became guards, soldiers, cooks, or servants for households throughout the Middle East and parts of Asia. While their life was brutal the type of slavery that occurred in the Americas was worst. Slaves in the Arab World usually had laws that protected them and gave them a modicum of respect. In addition to that, there were opportunities for social mobility for slaves. Meanwhile, in the Americas, slaves had no rights, no laws to protect them, they were regarded as property, no social mobility whatsoever, they were left outside in the blistering heat for hours, their families were broken up, and slavery was hereditary, which means the children of slaves also became slaves as well. The last part was uncommon in the Arab Slave Trade. The child of a slave was not usually considered a baby slave, like was the case in the Americas.
@Starrk Whoa, you're really getting creative with the facts on the Arab slave trade, you're comparing 1,000 years to 400 years, but Bedouin and Swahili slavers were selling slaves for fucking WAY longer than a thousand years and they never fucking STOPPED at any point to this day, so your presentation of the numbers and statistics is CONTRIVED at best. Spurious, really.You're ignoring the real central point though, which is that whites voluntarily ended slavery and at the cost of many wars and many battles in many nations besides the most famous, the American Civil War. Slavery was NEVER at any time popular among whites, it was something that was looked down upon and detested by most whites and protested against by many thousands of famous abolitionists. It existed on the very fringes of civilized society, the number of JUST SOUTHERNERS who owned slaves is comically low, a fraction of a percent. And the BIGGEST point you're trying to obfuscate and the most important, over 90% of slave-owners in this country were not "whites," they were Jews, and over 95% of the ships that actually transported slaves were owned and financed by Jews. You want to talk race, let's get fucking real then. Whites had practically nothing whatsoever to do with slavery except for the ones who WERE slaves themselves. Which is also a much higher number than most would care to admit.
And whites are the only race so far that has ever stopped practicing slavery. Also the only race so far that has fought in any way to free persons of any other race. Your view of History is deeper than most, but still completely skewed.
Why are you focusing so much attention on the timeline of slavery. The timeline of slavery is not my concern. My concern with your post was the story you told about how the Atlantic Slave Trade wasn't as bad because it was smaller in scope, which is a lie. The Atlantic Slave Trade managed to amass a slave population of 13 million in just 400 years meanwhile the Arab Slave trade at best has a slave population of 16 million in a time period of over 1000 according to historians. These numbers are not something I contrived nor are they spurious, these are numbers you can easily corroborate via various historians and sites. If you have a problem with those numbers than take it up with the Historians who study this era and produced those numbers themselves.Now, let's go to your next point about whites voluntarily ending slavery. This comment can either be accurate or inaccurate depending on which white population you speak of. White Americans in the South? No. They needed a Civil War to end it.The British? Yes. Out of every Western nation in the world, the British were at the forefront of ending slavery. No other western country comes close to the commitment they had in ending slavery.The French? No. Haitian Slaves Revoluted and massacred every white person on the island. This compelled the French to officially end slavery.Spaniard/Portuguese in Latin America? No. Britain was threatening many Latin America countries (especially Brazil) had they not ended slavery.SOME white populations ended savery voluntarily while others needed intimidation tactics or Civil Wars in order to end it. So this idea you're perpetuating that all whites magically had a revelation that slavery was wrong and needed to stop is a fairytale. In actuality, it was a process that the British Empire was trying to enforce. Since White people are not a monolith, you can not ascribe the intentions of the British Empire/UK to the entire white population. Doing so is fallacious.
As for Jews, sorry to break the news to you, but the Jewish Population during this time period in the US, which would have been the Sephardic Jews, are most definitely white. The 90% figure of slave owners being Jewish is false.The 95% figure of slave trading ships being owned/financed by Jews might have been originally the case, but after the Peace of Utrecht was passed in 1713, the number of Jews transporting slaves declined as Britain and French took over that role.As for this next comment of yours..."Whites had practically nothing whatsoever to do with slavery except for the ones who WERE slaves themselves. Which is also a much higher number than most would care to admit."The conclusion you came to in that comment does not invalidate the premise. You're arguing against B by trying to prove F which is not very logical.
@Starrk Jews aren't white and Sephardic Jews are the farthest Jews from being white. I should know, I happen to be a Sephardic Jew myself, and if you think Jews are the same as white people, you're going to have a very difficult life.
Well, there seems to be a huge disconnect on what Jewish people view themselves as, because according to the Pew Research Center, when asked what race they identified as (White, Black, Hispanic, Mixed, etc). 90% of the Jewish American participants identified as White. assets.pewresearch.org/.../...l-report-for-web.pdfPage 46.