Thank you for your response brother. Makes sense.
Thanks and indeed.
“Darker races”. Looks like you made up your mind. Yes, this country is going down hill. Welcome to being the problem.
You are very hateful.
There is an agenda to whip out the white race, Joe Biden in on record advocating for it.
Wipe out ^
Same for muslims, once you start trying to force lgbtq lessons in schools the shit hits the fan for muslims.
No because illegals and migrants don't care about the country so they vote for hand outs that benefit them for as long as they are here then they leave back to what ever country they came from with substantially more money courtesy of the American people.
@hellionthesagereborn ilegals never leave. They bring their country here.
No they do, not all but many do (at least Mexicans do). They come to the US and work here, they use welfare to take care of themselves here, then they work here under the table (driving wages down for every one, especially bad because many of those people are not getting those benefits like the illegals are) then when they have earned enough after several decades or until they hit retirement they move back to mexico where the US dollar is worth way more so that money is more then enough to live comfortably on. Others just funnel the money back to mexico (which is why the Mexican government encourages illegal immigration to the US because it is a huge industry for them) and in some cases they do bring others over, but not all of them. Either way its not good and it needs to stop immediately. But like I said, they don't give a damn about this country that's why their more then happy to vote laws in that they benefit from because they will have no issue leaving once things are damaged beyond repair. That's why you'll notice legal immigrants are far more likely to support America but at the same time minorities are far more likely to vote left, because the left promises free stuff at the expense of the country and those people either don't care about the country or actively want to see it collapse.
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The right is painting a narrative? LOL Who do you blame when someone on the left says, "I want open borders?" I would think that person is painting their OWN narrative.
They do want open borders.
But that isn't true? They protested separating children at the border even though over 40% of children brought over by illegals are unrelated to their self proclaimed "parents" and are in fact victims of child trafficking. The Trump administration built better facilities for illegals when they are caught and held and liberals (like AOC for instance) blocked funding to make more of the these facilities so they where not overcrowded. Currently EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT running for office stated they would give free health care to illegals (thus encouraging illegals to enter the country even though its incredibly dangerous (both due to terrain as well as the cartels who will kill any one who doesn't pay them to get across). Corey Booker actively took two women who not only where deported for being here illegally but also having broke the law and helped them illegally cross the border. Beto O'Rourke actively campaigned in a Mexican city, yes a MEXICAN CITY. So they absolutely are encouraging illegal immigration. As for our system being broken, we let in millions of people a year, we make over 1 million immigrants legal citizens a year, that's five times more then the next most generous nation. Sure its broken but that's because its so lax (that's why child trafficking has increased, because if you have a child and claim your a refugee they just let you in the country with little paper work).
Also closing the borders is not happening however securing the borders is, you know like how mexico does it (since they have a southern border wall with armed military patrolling it). As for the death of children from wars and starvation, you mean wars like Obama and Clinton pushed for, wars that waged for the entire presidency of Obama? What starvation exactly is occurring? We donate more money to other nations then ANY other nation, we individually are one of the most generous nations in the world as well as having the most generous programs for aid to other countries. This is not an issue.
" This is bullshit. What the Left wants is to prevent the many humanitarian crises and the deaths of children from wars and starvation. " - BULLSHIT. You don't travel much do you?
@ronaldo75 the left wants open borders for future votes. They don’t give a shit about these people.
When you people say "they want open borders" you are talking about *me* wanting open borders. I am here to tell you that "they" do not want open borders. So you sound like a moron when you tell ME what I want or when you tell everyone here what *I* want.How about this. Leftists want to have sex with their mothers. That's what THEY want. See, how does that feel? Saying that we "DO" want open boarders is trying to stoke ignorance and fear so that the left can say "if democrats win all these criminal rapists will flood into my livingroom and rape me."So grow up and stop putting your lies in people's mouths.
Then stop prioritizing illegals over American citizens. Stop supporting sanctuary cities.
Does it really make you feel that much better to hear that the "majority" want open border? Because most Democrats in surveys and in government are in favor of a mix of decriminalization, guaranteed constitutional rights once they cross over, due process deportation (delaying it by years), protected states for parents of American-born children , and most dangerous - GUARANTEED ACCESS TO ALL SOCIAL PROGRAMS. How is that an open border? So the border crossings are still there but if they manage to cross over they get full due process before getting deported and in the mean time they can have kids here and go on every social program and welfare program they can find? How the fuck is that no an open border?Mind you I"m a democrat and a socialist but you can't argue with the hard math of Economics.
@ronaldo75 another words you want to live off the tax payers. Why don’t you go to Venezuela...
@Rissyanne Venezuela is a nice example "we're going to give away free shit so give us overarching power"... yeah... that turned out well
@ronaldo75 then why don’t you move to Sweden they tax the middle class 60%. Or stop wanting tax payers to pay for your lazy ass
But the left has called for open boarders and every democratic nominee stated they wanted to give free healthcare to illegals which would do nothing but incentivize illegals to make the very dangerous trip to get here thus encouraging illegal immigration? You also said our system is broken despite how many immigrants we take in (five times more then the next generous country, no other country on earth has ever been as open and generous as us so the only other step is to open the boarders completely). You stated closing the borders (which not one republican has ever called for) is not a workable solution and considering that republicans stated they want to make sure people come here legally, the only way that could be considered open borders is if you believe in open borders being the solution otherwise what else could you possibly be proposing (genuinely curious and confused)?
@hellionthesagereborn they want open borders Because they see these illegals as future votes. They care nothing about them.
@Rissyanne - I've said this elsewhere but maybe you didn't read that so I will say it again.When you say *they* want open borders you are saying *I* (the person that is BlackLightShade) wants open borders. *I* do not want open borders. FoxNews (which I realize is something you watch) will tell you that everyone on the left just wants open borders. So here I am correcting you about a misconception about me.Let's try this thought experiment: I know that is it is 100% true that @Rissyanne wants to give her father a blowjob.How did that feel to read that? Do you agree with me? Should I keep telling everyone that you, @Rissyanne, wants to give your daddy a blowjob? I'm guessing you do not want to give your father a blowjob all the time. So when you correct me, I should take you at your word, right?
Sis my father is dead you idiot. I am saying that democrats as a whole wants open borders.
Okay, why didn't you answer my question? It seems odd that you would avoid it and instead insult others. As I have stated, they have openly called for this: www.huffpost.com/entry/open-borders_n_5737722While also demanding that ice (who's sole purpose is to round up illegals and deport them) be abolished. Every democratic nominee called for free healthcare for illegals (specifically for illegals) which serves no purpose but to encourage illegal immigration into the country, they refused money to build the border wall and refused to give money to create better holding facilities and to get more border control agents. It was a liberal and Antifa member who commited a terrorist attack on an ICE facility. So how is the left not calling for open borders when at least some are openly calling for it while others are only demanding everything that creates a border be removed and thus resulting in a defacto anti border position? How are you not for open borders if you are stating that we, the most open and generous nation in the world (statistically speaking) that allows millions of immigrants to be made citizens per year and millions more to come into our country through legal means, with the most lax refugee and asylum laws in the world, have a broken immigration system and then state that closing the borders (which not one person has ever called for (at least not a single politician or republican)) is not a solution? The only way we can let in more people then we already do is through open borders so how are you and other liberals not through open borders (please answer because your getting angry and attacking people for this but you refuse to clarify your position so the only choice people have is to presume that you are then for open borders as your rhetoric all but states it)?
@hellionthesagereborn look how they support sanctuary cities
Oh, only tax cuts for the rich? Thats weird, because they gave tax cuts to every one and significantly smaller ones to the rich then they did the poor. They also are against abortions, which is a policy and one that liberals are constantly bitching about. They also believe in arming the people and taking power away from government so that is the exact opposite of amassing power. Democrats want more power to go to the government and them, they want an unarmed populace. They are violently attacking any one who disagrees with them, have violated the law multiple times in an attempted forced siezure of power etc. so what your saying is in direct violation of reality (and the bitching and moaning of liberals everwhere). Have you tried actually reading or listening to a conservative and reviewing what they have said or do you just slander and insult and dismiss them outright every time? I'm guessing you ignore the views that are not yours (would explain the contradictions).
@hellionthesagereborn When you say that liberals violently attack others that means they disagree with you strongly. When I say conservatives violently attack others that means they perform terrorist acts by murdering innocent people Then conservatives pretend the killers were not one of them or the president even comes out in support of the killers. Conservatives are not the victims in this country. They are the worst victimizers I've ever seen in the country.
As for tax cut, they were carefully designed to benefit the wealthy at the expense of everyone else (who have to pay for the trillion dollar deficit and its interest every year)www.bloomberg.com/.../www.google.com/.../
Wow, your really ignorant. What terrorist attacks? Like the Antifa ones where they have violently attacked conservatives or those they perceive to be conservative (like they did to Andy Ngo who suffered brain hemoraging from the leftists who where suppose to be tolerant to minorities and gays (both of which Andy is))? Or are you referring to the leftist Antifa terrorist that threw a Molotov cocktail at an ice facility and attempted to shoot an ICE officer? Or are you referring to the leftist democrat who shot at a bunch of republican congress men? Or are you referring to the Dayton shooter who was not only an Antifa supporter, anti gun activist, and elizebeth warren supporter but also, by extension a democrat (and socialist)? Your clearly very much caught in an echo chamber and its actually terrifying to see that because everything you stated is provably false yet your so convinced your right you would ignore the killing of conservatives, the terrorist attacks on conservatives because you are such an ideolog that your ideology matters more then morality. That's not a good place to be (for you or society).
@hellionthesagereborn I must be so ignorant to not know that it was liberals perpetrating mass murders in synagogs, mosques, black churches, etc. There are now more terrorists in this country who are Trump supporters than who are Muslim. How many mass killings have Antifa carried out? And speaking of ignorance, what are your response to the articles I sent?
Yeah, actually they where: www.bizpacreview.com/.../synagogue-shooter-hated-pro-israel-trump-so-media-tied-his-motive-to-migrant-caravan-687844www.washingtontimes.com/.../As for Dylan Roof their is no data that I can find that suggests he was republican (him being a white supremacist plants him squarely in the democrat party however (as the KKK was in fact founded by democrats and endorsed democrats and the KKK lynched republicans as well as blacks). So as far as I know he was not republican.As for your last statement, no that's absurd, but I'd be happy to look over what ever source you got that information from (however its almost certainly incorrect as the overwhelming majority of muslims vote democrat: www.palestinechronicle.com/.../ )I didn't look at the links you sent because google is not a viable source (they manipulate search results and are very much progressives (hence them having been investigated by senate judiciary commitees.) same with Bloomberg. Also you can just look up what percentages people got for taxes and you will see that the poorest saw the largest reduction and the rich the smallest. The only reason why you can argue otherwise is because if your paying hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes, 1% of that is going to be substantially greater then the 10% of a thousand. That's how they came to that conclusion (because htey need to lie through their teeth to push this clearly incorrect narrative.).
Says the guy who never once listened to a conservative argument (yeah, the group that ended slavery and passed five different civil rights acts and currently states that the government shouldn't have more power over your life is the unamerican ones, not the socialist who want to rule over every one with an iron fist, the ones who want you to live your life as you see fit.). You can't handle facts that's why you won't try to argue against a conservative view point (and I'm not even conservative, that's the saddest part in this). Social welfare doesn't work, it fails every single time period. You cannot be pro industry and pro socialism which is what social welfare systems eventually lead to (currently the Nordic countries are moving away from socialism and are currently starting to realize that their welfare systems are not working and slowly dismantling them). Anti war, great, that's why we don't like democrats as they are pro war. Anti interventionist, I agree, let people live their lives as they see fit we don't need to get involved. Pro industry, great, that means fewer regulations less government involvement all for it.
Enviromentalism, means more government involvement and is contradictory to your previous claim (its also bullshit as environmentalism is meaningless (global warming is not man made as all evidence shows, green energy is not only incapable of sustaining our society its also not particularly green (wind turbines are killing birds, they are interfering with whale and dolphins sonar along the cost of California causing them to beach and die, solar is inefficient and requires rare materials that means more mining, more fossil fuels burned, more toxins released to refine these things. Also depending on where your at they can cause birds to burst into flames when they go over them as they reflect a lot of light back up at them. Electric cars burn fossil fuels to get the electricity, they just do it at the plant. They also have massive batteries that have toxic chemicals in it that we will have to find a way of disposing of as they are substantially greater quantities then batteries we currently have (and that's ignoring them getting into accidents and spilling them into the environment).
@hellionthesagereborn Not reading your bullshit, fuck conservatism. Its a dichotomy with liberalism and a trap! conservatives have conserved nothing! Look how far society has fallenI am a Christian, and I dont give af about meaningless arguments that lead nowhere.
@hellionthesagereborn Bro, i dont believe in anthropomorphic climate change, I dont believe in Evolution, I am anti-feminism, and I think women's suffrage should be repealed. You know nothing about my political standing. The Republican party and Democratic party have destroyed america over the last 100 years. They didn't protect Americans from anything!
I am a Christian-Nationalist. Ideally a Christian Monarchist, I dont believe in democracy. I dont believe in Israel as God's chosen, and I sure as fuck dont believe in Free speech
Then you are one confused and broken individual. If you don't listen how will you learn? The answer is you won't. I'm not conservative, I was pointing that you stated yourself you refuse to listen to conservatives and thus would never know what their position is because of it. You even refused to listen to that statement (and more then likely this one). Your the one who brought up environmentalism, I was pointing out that it didn't make sense as it contradicted your other statements. Clearly you need to actually educate yourself quite a bit before dictating how a society should run and who should and should not be listened to because you don't even understand your own views evidently.
@hellionthesagereborn no dude you don't understand. Pro industry means high tariffs on foreign manufacturers.Environmentalism means tax breaks for companies who follow regulations. I don't believe in global warming/anthropomorphic climate change. What I am talking about is nuclear energy more of it and proper disposal of chemicals and plastics You can have industry and social wellfare. The two work together. Increased industry means less people on social welfare programs, or work-for welfare programs. With all the money we save from the military budget we can make hundreds of thousands of public work jobs, rebuilding infrastructure.Also if the USA really wanted to win, we would print our own money.
Except that's not the case. If you have regulations you have greater government involvement (as I have mentioned before), that then means your pushing towards socialism (which doesn't work) and this in turn causes companies to court the government instead of the consumer (which is what we have right now (we are about the same as those Nordic nations except we have more regulations on our businesses and slightly less spent on welfare (its still over fifty percent of our national budget however), which means you cannot be pro industry as regulations kill industry. As for environmentalism, we already have regulations and in fact all data shows that businesses focus on being greener when the government is not involved (the biggest polluters in the world are all socialist nations and thus the government has all the control over the businesses). Welfare systems do the exact opposite of what you think they do actually decreasing productivity and work force participation as all data has shown (which is why Scandinavian nations actually moved away from it (Sweden for instance had zero economic growth for over thirty years and it was only when they removed regulations and reduced welfare that they started to see it increase and people started being able to move up economically).
As for military, again, welfare is the biggest cost in our society and its proven to be ineffectual and actually cause problems (medical costs have increased by 600% since the sixties which just so happens to be exactly when the government got involved in the medical industry with medicare and Medicaid. Once they got involved the American health association was formed which is nothing more then a lobbiest group for the medical industry which has shut down cheaper alternatives). Previous to that costs where incredibly low and stable only seeing a very slight increase in costs with the advent of new technology itself reducing in costs substantially faster then it does now (it was also cheaper and more effective then now). As for the money, that I would agree with, the most prosperous time in our history was when we did not have the federal reserve, it was also the most stable as far as inflation (or lack there of) was concerned. However we would also need to have our currency backed by gold which we currently don't (its the petro dollar right now). However, if your unwilling to listen to others how can you possibly learn anything and thus know what the right course of action is? That's why you study and listen to all arguments, so you can find what is true what is not what works and what doesn't.
@hellionthesagereborn you already presented a false binary that environmentalism is anti-industry. I think America can protect it's industry through tariffs and have environmental regulations. You are predicting all this on the idea of the free-market. You see things as arguments. I see economics as a tool. You need to change it and adapt it depending on circumstance. Also Gold standard is terrible idea. There isn't enough gold. And a few people own most of the gold and the mines Labor based currency, that's what the USA needs
Yes they can! Dead people are voting. But, illegal aliens can't vote legally. There's a big difference between "can't" and "may not."You may NOT kill people, but you sure as hell CAN kill people.
@ChewMi There have been almost no evidence of voter fraud. They government spent quite a lot of money investigating this after the 2016 election. They found only a few cases and all were due to someone mistakenly voting. Why would an undocumented person vote and take a chance of being arrested and then deported?
They steal American citizens identities.
To vote? That would be insane
All you need to vote in my state is a driver's license or state issued I. D. That's it. You can get a state I. D. with a Russian passport. I guess we're no longer worried about Russian election meddling?
NO ONE is committing voter fraud that is undocumented. It doesn't make sense. You can be concerned about undocumented immigrants but voting is not the issue.
If no one is illegally voting, then why are the Dems so adamantly apposed to voter I. D?
You don’t know that. Yes please tell me why are the Dems so against voter ID
Because 11 million people dont have an ID and some people think that means a lot of people can't vote which is undemocratic.
There is no reason for anyone not to have an ID.
And of course it's a well known fact that all of those 11 million people with out I. D. are all legal citizens.
Yes! Undocumented immigrants cannot vote. So, the 11 million people are indeed US citizens and should be able to vote freely.
Why is it a "liberal " thing to want everyone to vote?
Then why don't they get an I. D. and vote?
Please provide a source. And not some made up shit. So your saying that 11 million people don’t cash their paychecks... don’t pick up prescriptions or go to the doctor. Or work
Because you all want these illegals to vote
I heard the 11 million figure on PBS Frontline documentary. The Brennan Center actually says it's 11 percent, or 21 million people. www.brennancenter.org/.../challenge-obtaining-voter-identification
So I guess they never go to the doctor... cash their paycheck... pick up prescriptions. Sorry I don’t believe it
Well how do they go to the doctor?
@Rissyanne my doctor has quite literally never asked to see my state ID
That is factually incorrect:www.heritage.org/voterfraudtownhall.com/.../7-examples-that-show-voter-fraud-is-a-huge-problem-n1300975nypost.com/.../
@holograph I don’t know what kind of doctor you have them. You can’t go through life without an ID
There was no evidence of voter fraud? Hun I've seen voter fraud with my own eyes in 3 different elections. Stop believing CNN.
The Trump voter commission found no, or negligible, fraud. But you saw three so let's spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a wall.
Tara you're insanely innocent. Both Hillary and Trump engaged in voter fraud but Trump simple came out on top. Both should've been disqualified LONG BEFORE the vote even took place.
@Rissyanne Notice how Tara keeps spouting mainstream media horseshit? She's brainwashed.
Why would an undocumented immigrant vote? The risk in so, so much larger than the reward.
Grow up. Seriously.
Ok, will do.
@ronaldo75 how do you think Trump was involved in voter fraud?
@Rissyanne I believe the Russian Collusion theory. I was on facebook almost non stop between 2014 and 2017. Facebook themselevs were censoring Trump supporters like CRAZY taking down conservative sites, removing pro-Trump rants and generally censoring republicans - HOWEVER at the same time trump paid ads were going full force. Meaning facebook was taking down what they could but couldn't stop the paid ads. That said, it's already proven that Russian agencies paid for a lot of the ads.As for actually changing votes. There was in insane amount of gerrymandering that even Republicans now admit after so much data basically made it undebatable. .Again,. Hillary cheated har ASS off in 2016 but Trump seriously wasn't innocent himself.
@ronaldo75 lol there was no Russian collusion. There was a 2 year investigation and they found nothing. What do you think? Russians was hiding in the bushes outside making people change their votes? Trump won. I voted for him because I wanted him to win. There was no Russian collusion lol
What makes you think that?
Because I think that people tend to be driven towards more liberal or conservative ideology due to their beliefs, rather than being power-hungry