If the transcript you refer to is about Ukraine, the activity was criminal. Even Senate Republicans who have been covering for him are beginning to agree. So much so, that they are resigning or refusing to run again, because they see that they have implicated themselves by remaining with him. Clinton had sexual conduct that was considered immoral, but not illegal. His crime was originally lying by saying he did not do the sexual things. And that was not serious enough to vote to remove him. Mueller’s investigation put many of Trump’s accomplices in prison, but Mueller thinks he could not prosecute a sitting president, the only thing that saved Trump. But They were doing Trump’s bidding. So since what Trump ordered was criminal and placed the accomplices in prison, Trump gave criminal orders. And on his attempts to avoid prosecution, he is performing more criminal acts. He does not have much longer!
@Red_Arrow dude he’s going to get re-elected. Democrats are making sure of it.
He is innocent. Accusations don't mean that he's a criminal. Do some actual research before you misinform people.
There is no twisting of evidence here is the actual transcript:www.scribd.com/.../Ukraine-Call-TranscriptHere is what Schiff said was on the Transcript:https://youtu.be/GN4CJ8MYLTY?t=202
If trump said boiling water was safe to swim in his supporters would believe him and declare everyone else liars.
Both sides of the transcript looked like their penned by the same person. The writing styles are identical. I suspect it is a fake.
So your claiming that Trump supporters will believe anything he says without evidence YET when provided evidence that the left who has been calling for Trumps impeachment before he even entered the office, who lied outright about Russian collusion (provably), who spied on him etc., when they say he is lying your going to disregard all evidence? sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
Pretty much but the left isn't use to being investigated. It's about time a Republican president is on the offense.
Barr and Durham are investigating, criminal investigations of the Deep State including Brennan, Clapper, et al. The Deep State's only hope is to remove Trump before the Criminal investigations start coming out. Hence the Unconstitutional Impeachment proceedings with the proven false evidence.The Impeachment of Trump so Far, and the Constitutional Crisis. ↗
Name one crime he has committed. Remember, it's not a crime until charges have been placed upon you and it's innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around like they did to Brett Kavanaugh.
@JohnnySigma85 I could name you far more than one, but why should I play along with your dishopnest game? You know damn well the things he's done, you just choose to either "believe" he hasn't done them because of your self-deceiving mental gymnastics and/or cognitive dissonance to protect your own disgustingly bigoted ideology that he represents, or you're indeed that naive and retarded that you think he actually hasn't done those things, because you're indeed that naive and retarded that you actually believe your ideological messiah really hasn't done these things.Yawn, not interested.
Oh, I just took a quick look at your ridiculous profile and must say - I was more than right about you. What a hyper-biased right-wing clown you are. lol
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Your source of information is trying to trick you into thinking asking for a foreign power to investigate political opponents is sometimes excusable. The fact of the matter is that it has never been congress's job to investigate anything biden is accused of, because biden is not a sitting US president. Investigations of American citizens are the justice department's job, which Donald Trump controls. There just plain wasn't a good reason for trump to do this.
Here is the actual transcript of the call:www.scribd.com/.../Ukraine-Call-TranscriptHere is what Schiff said was in the call:https://youtu.be/GN4CJ8MYLTY?t=202Here is the Ukrainian President saying he was not pressured by Trump, and clearly not affraid of him.www.newsweek.com/ukraine-zelensky-trump-impeachment-russia-united-nations-1461262But you know who DID threaten Ukraine with the withholding of $1billion dollars if they didn't do what he wanted (AKA Treason):https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?t=30He also implicates Obama, so I think we should arrest him as well because "THE PRESIDENT HAS TO BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD"
floating: Nobody is making up anything. The phone call, that Trump calls "perfect", included Trump shaking down the president of the Ukraine, by withholding military aid, in order to try to get dirt on his political opponent, Biden. And the Ukraine is in an active war against Russian separatists. That's abuse of power and using the power of the presidency to get a foreign power to help influence our elections. Only a Trump cult member could find that acceptable.
For people ignorant or the fact. It isn't something that gets much media output
Or, not for
Bidens crazy anyway. I can't even find a recording of the call. Its sounding like everything else that's been made up against this dude. Wheres steel? Wheres the collusion? Yet we know where the emails are and that person is safe?
What are you talking about? What dude? If you mean made up against Trump, for heaven's sake, Trump released the the summation of the call, and said it was a "perfect call." How on earth do you say it's made up, when Trump released it, and said the call was his, and bragged about the call? And anyone with common sense, and not a blind follower of Trump, can see that the call is a shake down. No, he didn't say 'this is quid pro quo." Nobody ever says that, not mafia dons, and not Trump. But Trump clearly connected the military support with the personal political favor, as he wanted to get dirt on Biden from the Ukraine. If you can't see that in the call, then you simply don't want to see it. Mafia don's have been convicted on less, and this is not a court of law.
Let's see if he gets impeached then. Take him out, I have no reason to like or hate this guy. What he does doesn't affect me
floating: He may get impeached, but it's unlikely that he will be removed from office. Not because he shouldn't be removed, but because Republicans put their own political gains ahead of what is good for the nation. Republican senators simply are more concerned about power and politics, than what is good for our country. It's politics and power, before patriotism.
I really do appreciate you taking the time for all this. I have actually learned from you mark. I may troll and not agree with everything you say but you have a lot of facts ready to go 👍
floating: It's good talking to you as well.
I appreciate your opinions and recognize the thoughts that aren't my own. I just want you to know I dont hate you. Please continue
float: No animosity here. But I do need to leave this site and do something productive.
Myself as well. God speed
The actual Transcript of the call:www.scribd.com/.../Ukraine-Call-TranscriptWhat Schiff Said was the call:https://youtu.be/GN4CJ8MYLTY?t=202
Democracy? He lost by three million votes and had help from US enemies. Are ALL you right wing fascists on drugs?
Umm... I think you need a nap 😐😂
@belarus Perhaps you should read the US constitution to see how our presidents are elected. Popular vote is irrelevant. Changing the rules after the election so your candidate would have won is what toddlers do.
The problem is he did it while president.
@semajsalguod except he never actually did anything he was accused of so thats kind of an issue. Also Obama did a lot of illegal things (like illegally spying on Trump as well as others (even other democrats)) and no one on the left seemed to have cared much. Strange that the left now is finding everything they can to impeach Trump, you know the guy they where calling for being impeached before he was even elected. Just seems suspicious.
Lol they are trying to impeach him not only for something he didn't do but Biden ADMITTED DOING! And also implicated Obama:https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?t=29
Maybe Pence will also be impeached?
In more than 200years of history, the U. S. has failed to impeach a President. Now, we’re to believe that it can be done with 100% success-rate consecutively?
Maybe they will all just quit and save us the trouble? That's what Nixon did, and all he did was bug a hotel room.
Well, for as bad as his personal character (or staged public-persona) seems to be, he has restrained Washington’s war-mongers somewhat from starting new wars in his term (as of yet).The impeachment the Democrats have been trying to justify have been ridiculous based on speculations from what I’ve reas so far. There are legitimate grounds for impeachment (ex. continuing participation in undeclared wars, failure to end the N. S. A.’s mass surveillance in violation of the 4th Amendment, etc., but neither party is charging him for that.That said, I’m willing to wait for 2020.
@NK192K001So it's speculation when Mulvaney admits there was a quid pro quo, and we all need to 'get over it'? Please...
@spartan55 And this wasn't quid pro quo: 52:00-53:10 (in C-SPAN's account)…www.c-span.org/.../vice-president-biden-warns-ongoing-russian-global-interference&start=3121…or 52:07-53:15 (in Council on Foreign Relations')?www.cfr.org/.../foreign-affairs-issue-launch-former-vice-president-joe-bidenWhether in Beijing, back in Manila, or anywhere else, selective law-enforcement is the bread & butter of corruption. (Guess the targets of Pres. Xi's 'anti-corruption campaigns' in Beijing? Granted, Beijing only has 1 substantial party, but their party does have factions.) If ex-V. P. Biden were equally being prosecuted, I would support this. But political-enemies & -threats (like Trump & his allies) receive strict-enforcement, while political-allies & friends receive light-/none. I cannot support this blatant corruption.But again, there are other legitimate grounds for impeachment (undeclared wars, 4th Amendment violations, etc.), but none in both parties will support that, since they also agree with them, many/fall would all be purged from power if the law were applied equally, and/or they enjoy benefits by not impeaching under those grounds.And the impeachment-endeavor seems like a waste of time (except as a taxpayer-paid ad for the Democratic Party). There is insufficient time & votes in the Senate to complete the process.
Last I checked Biden isn't in office right now, plus he was already investigated and it found nothing.
@spartan55 Ⅰlol That's not quid pro quo? From what I remember in Latin class, 'quid pro quo' literally means 'what for/in place of what/that/anyone/anything', but is translated 'this for that' for convenience.That was blatantly 'foreign-aid' for 'termination of a prosecutor' in exact frame of the literal words. The fact that he was 'investigated' & still unpunished is proof of corrupt 'enforcement', especially given my background from a place of heavy corruption in government back in the Philippines. It's the same trick, just done by non-Asians in this case. For Pete's sake, we even have a recorded admission of guilt in state-media AND the records of the think-tank that hosted the event!The well-connected Bidens are just as corrupted as the 許寰哥 (officially "Cojuangco"; "KWANG-koh")'s, oligarchs of Eastern Europe, and other powerful clans across the globe.Funny how the Democratic Party acts so disturbed at this or Washington at even Russian Facebook-ads/-posts, when it interfered in Moscow's elections to get Pres. Yeltsin elected. For Pete's sake, TIME Magazine even had their cover dedicated to it…content.time.com/.../0,16641,19960715,00.html… as well as an article on the matter.content.time.com/.../0,9171,984833,00.htmlcontent.time.com/.../0,9171,136204,00.html
@spartan55 ⅡAnd let's not forget the regime-change wars & election-meddling across the globe.www.theguardian.com/.../americans-spot-election-meddling-doing-years-vladimir-putin-donald-trumpwww.apnews.com/2ded14659982426c9b2552827734be83www.apnews.com/d890b192eaf44dae816fb9fc63d47059No wonder they can find this literal 'quid pro quo' negligible, since it was just a prosecutor who lost a job, and not a head-of-state who lost his life, like allied Pres. Ngô Đình Diệm of South (yes, the democratic side of) Vietnam with the coup of 1963, when Washington decided he outlived his usefulness. How odd that the same standard is not used on the Pres. Trump, who also didn't get a president or prime minister ousted and/or killed.
helllion" Nothing to impeach him on? How about using tax payer money for leverage for political gain, to try to get dirt on a political opponent! And withholding military aid from a country at war with Russia, for political gain! Abuse of power!
@markscott That's odd that you say that because he never did that, at all (but ironically enough Clinton and Obama did). The president of Ukraine brought all of this up, the withholding of aid happened months later and was unrelated and was never mentioned at any point in the conversation. So yeah, everything you said is false (and its hilariously sad how the left is trying to pretend this is legitimate as the only one who could be accused of abusing their power is Biden (and when Obama illegally spied on Trump which none of you guys want to talk about) and we had calls for impeachment for Trump before he was even elected. That kind of delegitimizes your argument (plus the whole being completely wrong thing based upon all the data presented).
@markscott All you've really done is show that your poor losers. We all made fun of people trying to kick Obama out of office with claims of him not being a legal citizen, now your going and doing the same bullshit to Trump only its not just a few of you who are either nut cases or seeking attention (like Trump did), your all foaming at the mouth doing all in your power to take him out because you know that you cannot win against him. You have no candidate who can take him, he is undoing everything Obama pushed for and the country is provably better for it, and now you realize that you have no platform no candidates and evidence of your own failures so the only tactic you have left is to try and force him out of office as if that will some how hide your own idiocy and zealotry. It won't and it won't work (and even if you did some how manage to do so, it would not go down like you think it would. Lots of Americans, real americans, don't take kindly to coups nor do they take kindly to spoiled children trying to destroy our society and our democracy and their would be a war for it because again, their is no way of doing this legally, the only way you can do it is by out right violation of the law (which the left has shown its more then happy to do again, and again, and again), so few would side with you.).
Hellioin: Look, if you are going to ignore plain, clear facts, that Trump even says he did, then what can I say? Many Trump supporters have their own little universe, where facts are not facts, and lies are truth. That you live there is your choice, but don't expect me or others with common sense to swallow your foolishness about it not happening.
hellion: Again, rather than face clear, plain truth and facts, you, like Trump, go off on some wild idiotic idea about being poor losers. You can have any stupid idea you want, and believe in any alternative universe you want. That includes a universe you chose, where fact not true, and a lie is truth. I understand that is necessary in order to ignore the unpatriotic things Trump has done.
@markscott Except your wrong again. Its funny because all the things you accuse others of is actually applicable to you. The transcript is available to be read, but you don't want to read it because it doesn't tell you what you want to hear. All you want is some one to stroke your head and tell you orange man bad over and over again because your that broken. Its sad and rather pathetic but what can one expect from a bunch of zealots who are forced to face the very real reality that their ideology is shit and broken and doesn't work? You just can't handle reality so you throw temper tantrums over and over again and try to destroy those who are responsible for you realizing how idiotically stupid your beliefs are (hence Antifa, hence silicone valley censoring any one who speaks out against progressivism, hence the constant calls for impeachment with no evidence what so ever (yet ironically all accusations are actually applicable to YOUR side rather then Trump or conservatives, literally in every case that I've seen thus far)). Its just pathetic, I just cannot find any other way to describe it, you and the progressive left are just pathetic children who have now been told that they are not going to get their way so your throwing a temper tantrum trying to destroy everything until you get what you want. Its revolting but it is what it is.
Hellion: You are wasting your time. I've stopped reading you posts. If you haven't the sense to see and believe what is right in front of your face, then there is no sense in talking. I'm not interested in talking about the alternative universe that is necessary to be in, in order to make lies truth, and facts not real. That is what it takes to not see what Trump is doing. That he has disgraced the office of the president, and had endangered out country for his own political gain.
@markscott Of course this is a waste of time, you've admitted you haven't read the transcript and you have admitted that you don't care about the facts. Your a zealot who can't consider the possibility of being wrong, who is incapable of self reflection. That was obvious from the get go. I just didn't want to leave such an obviously wrong statement go unchallenged in case some one happens to read this.
He'd better than any Democrat.
@JohnnySigma85 he supports conversion therapy
And Democrats support worse things like open borders and gun confiscation.
I don't know that he's either worse or better. I'd say he's just as malicious but less capable of stirring up the base, which, let's be honest, the bulk of the problems we've had are not with trump but with trump supporters..
Honest question. Who's worse; Trump Supporters or Antifa? Remember, one group is actually fighting against fascism and racism. To protect the liberties of all Americans. The other is Antifa.
@JohnnySigma85 trump/pence & antifa aren't the only 2 options
Oh yeah. You also have the LGBT group who is quickly becoming a cult. Hell they don't even acknowledge some of their own anymore simply because they became Republicans.
Trump supporters are worse because they keep telling themselves they are protecting the liberties of all Americans while also thinking about maybe having a civil war with those Americans they've deluded themselves into thinking they give any semblance of a fuck about. And I'm certian they have all done some impressive mental gymnastics to avoid making the connection between "who is responsible for divisiveness" and "who is calling for civil war."
He grabbed her by the pussy!!!
Titanic: Oh, Trump had done nothing wrong!!! He only abused the power of the presidency, and withheld military aid to a country fighting the Russians, in order to try to get political dirt on Biden. And Trump put American security at risk, in order to do so. Of course, many Republicans are so enamored with Trump, that they find it OK for him to have a foreign power influence our election. and they find it OK for Trump to withhold military aid to fight Russia, to shake down the president of the Ukraine, in order to get one up on his political opponents. And these same Republicans are hypocritical enough to call themselves patriots.
Both of you are just a bunch of crybabies!
Titanic: Just like Trump. Ignore the facts, ignore the truth. Pretend what is true if not true, pretend what is a lie, is the truth. We've seen enough of Trump and his supporters now, to understand what they do to ignore facts right before their faces.
@markscott the facts and truth you’re talking about are lies!
Why, because you want to make sure that only your ideas are made into law? No one to provide a counter argument? He isn't insane, quite the opposite actually, and unlike Obama he hasn't stifled our peoples freedoms nor got us into wars. Don't see why any one would be against that (unless your just as bloodthirsty and authoritarian as Obama was in which case your the enemy of good people).
such threats are, themselves, impeachable offenses..
dems want him gone, too-and republicans
@Sabretooth well I'm British but still if they want him gone they should beat him at the election ballots
assuming he's not arrested by then. trump has recently threatened the whistleblower and those supplying the evidence against him.
@Sabretooth did the whistle blower like sign some sort of non-disclosure agreement related to state secrets?
i don't know. what i DO know is that you don't threaten unless you're scared.
@Sabretooth hhhhhmmm no government can afford a mole in their government, it's treason. You think McDonald's wouldn't threaten an employee revealing corporate secrets and undermining the company?
the point is that he's not innocent of the crime's he's not accused of. besides, it's not really treason.
the legal definition of treason: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
trump is no longer denying the call to urkrain-https://www. youtube. com/watch? v=p1zXluYiMZY
@Sabretooth still ilegal what the whistle blower is doing espicially if it's done for political or financial favours.The main reason it seems they want Trump impeached is in case he wins the next election.
the whisleblower isn't-he is being supporting by the legal system. they want trump impeached due to lies he's told, he's incompetent, abusing his power, having outside help to rig elections-among many many other reasons. trump is unraveling. besides, according to the polls-reelection doesn't seem likely-he's approval ratings aren't that good-according to 2 polls i've seen: 41.3%Approve53.9%Disapprove53.9%Disapprove
@Sabretooth I prefer the voting rather that approval rating polling to decide democracy.Trump's incompetencey isn't grounds really for impeachment, Bush was technically incompetent too. There's no proof of outside influence and even if there was Clinton wasn't impeached when it was found China had influenced two elections.Anyway no political administration can afford somebody speaking out of turn to the press espicially if they have access to sensitive or top secret information. What happens if the whistle blower can't prove the claims they made or if classified information ends up in the hands of a foreign government.
incompetence IS a reason. being president require competence... any kinda leader does. this man is responsible for the safety and well-being of this country. you mean like the call to urkrain? trump has already only admitted to that: www.youtube.com/watch
@Sabretooth well thats the thing. You like your political opponent, you don't want him to be re-elected so you decide he is incompetent or a criminal to get him out of office. Let the people decide.
@Sabretooth well thats the thing. You *dont* like your political opponent * or his policies*, you don't want him to be re-elected so you decide he is incompetent or a criminal to get him out of office. Let the people decide.
hell, i always that he was unstable... didn't think he was incompetent... that's a very dangerous combination.
@Sabretooth again who decides he's incompetent? His political rivals who want power for themselves? Shouldn't the American people be the judge of how competent any political leader is come election time?
Here is the actual transcript of the call:www.scribd.com/.../Ukraine-Call-TranscriptHere is what Schiff SAID was in the call, and it was later picked up by the Corporate media and reported as true, even though when caught in a lie Schiff said it was a "parody". Ofcourse none of the media outlets reported that:https://youtu.be/GN4CJ8MYLTYHere is Biden admitting to threatening to withhold $1billion in aid unless they fire the prosecutor looking into corruption, and implication Obama in the process:https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?t=30
@genuinlysensitive here's something else-https://www. youtube. com/watch? v=BnTfo-G0NiI
Provda is a Russian newspaper.
That wasn't the context it was used, but thanks.
Go to Hell
@reptocarl i will if I'm a sinner. @bananaman177 @FreshOutaldeas
Besides impeachment does not remove you from office. It is a step toward removal that doesn't guarantee anything. Bill Clinton was impeached but was not removed from office.
Abuse of power from the office of the president, and using lawfully allocated monies to influence a foreign power to engage in activity to influence our elections. And withholding military aid from a country actively in warfare with our enemy, for political gain.
Abuse of power? You mean like bush did when he illegally invaded iraq and Afghanistan? Or Obama when he authorized interference in the Syrian civil war?Elections? You mean Russia. Last u heard that was untrue Which country Is your enemy? You have so many it's. Hard to keep track
This Just in Biden has proof Ukraine was threatened with $1billion if they did not do as they were told:https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?t=29