Well said mostly. I have met many a liberal who shows they are two faced to their own values.If you are with them. It's all love and peace and tolerance. If you have a different view its bigot, racist and Repugtard.Hatred has a mouth piece in both parties. Usually from the less enlightened among them.
*Many a 'supposed' liberalI have nothing against Liberals who talk the walk. Not just bark the talk. Lol
@Corerue Your different view could be racist, bigoted and repugtarded. If it is, prepare to be deep throated with intolerance.
@OddBeMe and that's where people lose me. Unless you are deeply hateful then I can agree to disagree with people.But to Deep Throat with Intolerance makes us no better then the hateful people we are facing. Its total hypocrisy to claim to be something your not. Sorrynotsorry lmao
None of this suggests you are politically independent. Sorry, but it suggests you are only "tolerant" of extreme right wing news sources..
@normalice Ah there he is, a typical radical left winger making baseless assumptions when someone has different political stances. With your logic, you’re a Stalinist.
yeah, the term "radical left winger" is a fiction creation by the radical right wing. An actual radical left wing would be a group of people who run around the country dragging rich people out of their homes and murdering their families in front of them. Any truly impartial person with a knowledge of history that extends beyond their own memory would know this for the redundantly reoccurring fact that it is. That you apply it to someone who disagrees with you on the internet makes it highly unlikely that you are just another trump supporter trying to borrow credibility by telling everyone you are independent.
@Corerue Sorry, I believe in fighting fire with fire. If you say something racist you will get verbally assaulted and shamed. If you simply disagree with me about policy like affirmative action, we’ll simply have a convo.
@normalice Your entire premise is you making Straw man arguments and sweeping generalizations. How did you interpret a simple unbiased explanation of the bigotry of both parties as a sign of me being a “radical right winger”. Here you are calling me a radical right winger (which I’m not) simply for having a different stance than yours. Clearly you don’t know what a radical right winger is.And you have the audacity to claim that the radical left wing isn’t real? That’s you showing your biases. You ain’t fooling anybody. You come across as a guy who is oblivious to his own hypocrisy.
@normalice @ADFSDF1996 White supremacists are numero uno on law enforcement’s hit list because they are linked to a majority of American terrorism. Which side do white supremacists go with? Right wing.
@OddBeMe White Supremacists are not synonymous with conservatives.
@ADFSDF1996 Yes they are, unequivocally. All white supremacists vote Republican and are right wing. But are all Repubs white supremacists? Of course not.
@OddBeMe Even then, White supremacists don’t actually uphold or believe in republican values as a whole. They only vote republican because they don’t have their own party running. Your party and your ideology are not always synonymous with each other.Patrick Little, a neo nazi was kicked out of a republican convention for his extremist views. www.sandiegouniontribune.com/.../...htmlstory.htmlBut what do white supremacists have anything to do with this conversation and why did you interject yourself in my debate with “normalice”?
@ADFSDF1996 yeah, you're doing that far-right thing where you basically just describe yourselves in the second person and hope it annoys the person you're talking to enough to shut them up.
@normalice There you go again using a sweeping generalization and a straw man argument. It shows that you don’t have any valid counter arguments. Funny how you are ignoring everything I said in my previous reply to you, I wonder why.And for your information fallacious rhetoric aren’t valid counter arguments.
You did it again. I don't understand why you would think building a stray man out of accusations of me building straw men would be anything other than transparent. But then, I don't speak trump so maybe it makes sense to people who desperately need it to.
@normalice Your entire premise is a straw man argument, as in you took my original comment and purposely misinterpreted it to make it easier for you to argue. That’s why your rhetoric is invalid, you are arguing against something I never said or implied in my original comment.
Is a mirror really the only tool in your shed? You keep calling me out on what you are doing and expect it to stick. Is russian your native language or something? Are you a bot?
@normalice I’m simply pointing out your fallacious rhetoric since that’s your only argument, what else is there to point out? You have yet to make a single valid counter argument to my original comment on this post and to my replies on this post. The fact that you can’t even form a single valid counter argument shows that you are also using an argument of pigheadedness also known as stubbornness to argue.And no I’m not a Russian bot, I’m human just like you. Once again you use a sweeping generalization fallacy.
If you're not a bot, why do you keep repeating the same lame "i know you are but what am i" nonsense? It sure seems like you are stuck in an infinite loop, struggling to find synonyms "no u."
@normalice Because you keep using fallacious rhetoric, it’s not that hard to understand.
I'm us in your rhetoric, though. QED.
@normalice Now you’re starting sound like a bot because that reply makes no sense at all.
*using. Damn autocorrect.
@normalice What does “QED” mean?
Do they not have logic as an academic topic in Russia? That actually explains why y'all are such frothing conservatives, i guess.
@normalice Are you thick? I never said anything about being Russian. I’m American.You lost this argument the moment you started making unwarranted assumptions which was your first reply.It’s funny how you are ignoring everything I say in an effort to sound credible with your digression.
It's just obvious that you're either a russian troll or so influenced by them it makes no difference. I do sometimes wonder what you think you're getting out of it. But be it a pat on the head by putin or the feeling that you're finally making the liberals feel the same despair you felt when they made a black guy president, it doesn't matter. They are the same spite-based idiocy your kind is incapable of growing out of. Stop rubbing your open blisters on people, you gross weirdo.
@normalice You must have low iq, since you continue to make faulty assumptions just because you know you lost this debate.Apparently anyone who disagrees with you is either a Russian bot or a Trump supporter. Which is a false dichotomy. Funny how you like to spout off insults yet you get mad when someone calls you a radical left winger.
Stop describing yourself at me. It's starting to become tedious redirecting your insecurities back to you. I am not your psychologist - you are going to have to deal with the inferiority complex of your county, yourself.
@normalice Ironic, I was under the impression that you were the one projecting.
Most of those trump supporters who are unencumbered by self awareness would be, yeah. So no surprises there..
@normalice Who ever said I’m a Trump supporter?
Oh. Sorry, were you trying to keep that a secret?
@normalice Continuing to make baseless assumptions and loaded questions aren’t you commie?And no, I actually wanted Gary Johnson to win in the elections of 2016.
Continuing to repeat yourself, eh trump supporter?And no. Regardless of who you voted for in 2016, you're still a trump supporter. It's one of those "quacks like a duck" things. You could tell me you wrote in Bernie in 2016 if you wanted, but the fact still remains that >here and now< you don't deviate much from the script of far-right rhetoric.
@normalice Don’t project, you’re the one that’s repeating fallacious rhetoric since you have no other arguments and are too stubborn to admit that you’ve lost the argument. Hence you continuing to mudsling and throw insults.The problem with your premise is that you are taking my original comment out of context to argue against something I neither said nor implied. But of course I’m not surprised since you PC folk sure like to invent issues where there aren’t any issues.
I'm only repeating after you. That's my new argument scheme with trump supporters is to just keep repeating what they say back to them to see what they really think of their own arguments. You have a real shitty opinion of yourself, by the way. Typical trump supporter..
@normalice You’re the one who lacks new material moon bat, you keep throwing the same mudslinging insults and fallacious rhetoric. All I’m doing is pointing out your faulty logic.
Which is, as it happens, your faulty logic, since I'm just repeating what you say back to you. It has been educational to see how a trump supporter responds to his own debate tactics.
@normalice You’re merely copying what I’m saying because you are too stubborn to admit that your whole premise is irrelevant to my original comment.
I'm copying you because I want to try to educate trump supporters on how annoying it is to deal with illogical arguments.
@normalice You are only deluding yourself, it’s you who needs an education considering that you know nothing about logical fallacy.You have yet to address what my original comment said.
My only delusion here is to think a trump supporter is capable of being educated. I already addressed your comment. It is no business of mine if you're too uneducated to be reliably literate.
@normalice Thanks got proving that you have an IQ below 60. You have literally been using red herrings, making unwarranted assumptions and sweeping generalizations all along. You haven’t addressed any of my points, all you’ve been doing is jumping to faulty conclusions by automatically assuming I’m a Trump supporter just cause I’m not a moon bat like yourself.
My assumption that you are a trump supporter is one of those "If it quacks like a duck" things. You have already demonstrated that you steadily consume far right propaganda without seeing it for what it is. If by some miracle you are not a trump supporter, it is inevitable that you will become one. Your claim to be an independent is, thus, either doomed to be extremely temporary, or you're just another trump supporter claiming to be an independent in the hopes that it gives you some credibility. The fact that I've addressed every legitimate point you made but you refused to respond and instead took a hard right turn towards a bunch of baseless claims tells me it's likely the latter.
@normalice You just won’t shut up will you. I never gave any indication of being a Trump supporter, that’s just you making a sweeping generalization. In fact I’ve completely disproved your reasoning already which is why you continue to repeat the same BS cause you know you’ve lost this debate but are too stubborn to acknowledge that you are wrong... Moonbat.
You repeatedly verified my reasoning, actually. You have completely failed to act in any way out of sync with how I've characterized you from the start, and I have every confidence that you will continue to fail. You cling to your far right talking points and illogic with the exact same inability to dismiss it as outright nonsense that I've seen every single trump supporter (without exception) stubbornly remain incapable of doing. I know all to well how enticing the far right propaganda can be, and it is not a trap anyone can reasonably be expected to get oneself out of without some sort of reality check, which no one can provide you with online. My hopes for you spontaneously digging yourself out is basically the same as my hopes that all the heroin addicts will suddenly and permanently decide they don't want to anymore. Not impossible, but you have too much working against you for me to take the possibility seriously.
@normalice I stopped taking your comments seriously the moment you used fallacious reasoning to argue your points. And once again you continue to repeat the same thing.
@normalice Once again you continue to make strawman arguments and are oblivious to them. And it’s funny how you continue to ignore everything I tell you because my replies refute your reasoning which you can’t accept.You have yet to put forth a single valid counter argument to my original post. Your usage of petty mudslinging is not a valid argument. You continue to delude yourself into thinking that you have valid counter arguments but in reality you are merely spouting pseudo-intellectual rhetoric.It is you who needs to reevaluate your logic, quit using fallacious arguments and petty insults to argue points. But considering that moonbats exhibit confirmation biases, you’ll continue to believe your own nonsense instead of thinking critically.Everyone who doesn’t agree with you is “radical Right winger” because you have false dichotomy reasoning that doesn’t allow you to realize that politics aren’t as narrow as you think they are, in reality politics are broader. You call me a “radical right winger” when I haven’t said a single thing that implies I’m a radical right winger. You are 39 years old yet you act immature and ignorant, grow up and educate yourself.
Interesting, because at no point have I taken your comments seriously, and at no point have I assumed you were taking mine seriously. I never assume a trump supporter understands my point, let alone takes it seriously. You've ignored absolutely everything I've said, which I've known all along, but now you finally admit it as though it's new information to me. You've continuously tried to piece together a strawman argument out of some of the letters I'm using so that it looks like a strawman building another strawman, but I don't know who that's for. No one's going to read all of this. I haven't even used the word "radical" once, but you say that I said it so that it sounds like I'm the one who's making stuff up, and yet it's you doing it. But that's the way russian trolls and other trump supporters operate, so it's not like I expected better..
@normalice LOL you are literally copying everything I say since you don’t have any arguments of your own.
Yes. I told you that that's what I was doing. It took you this long after I told you to figure out the thing I said directly? I stopped trying to argue with trump supporters because they lack the reading comprehension required to have a conversation. The fact that I told you something directly and then 3ish days later the thin I told you suddenly dawns on you like some sort of insight you achieved on your own tells me you certainly have the reading comprehension and attention span of a trump supporter. Don't know why you're so reluctant to admit being one. It is clearly the sort of people you would fit right in with.
@normalice Don’t lecture me on reading comprehension when you struggle with it yourself, hypocrite.If your reading comprehension were as good as you think it is, we wouldn’t be having this argument in the first place.
Why would i lecture you on reading comprehension when you continue to make it clear that you would be incapable of comprehending the lecture? I have no intention of wasting my time trying to persuade you to pay attention. I'm fully aware that you are a lost cause, and at this point just practicing my trump supporter debate tactics.
@normalice Get off your high horse. Perhaps it’s you who needs some lecturing in reading comprehension considering that you addressed zero percent of what my original comment said. It’s been over a week and yet here you are still spouting off the same nonsense that I refuted already. Either shut up or just acknowledge that you’re wrong with your unwarranted assumptions.
I addressed every point of what you said. I don't know what you expect me to do about you refusing to to read it. That seems more like one of those thongs that is more your problem than mine.
@normalice With your frequent usage of false dichotomies, the concept of unbiased stances are irrelevant to you.
don't act like you know what a false dichotomy means, or that even if you did you would have any intention of using it correctly.
@normalice I do know what it is, your arguments started to exhibit said fallacy after you called me a “trump supporter”.
it would only be a fallacy if you weren't a trump supporter, and you are. If you're even on the fence about far right propaganda, then it's pretty much impossible to make the case that you might one day all on your own dismiss it for the nonsense that it is. There has been like 40 years of thousands of man hours dedicated to crafting the most effective far right propaganda possible. No one can outwit that once they start to entertain it. And you're clearly not even trying to.
@normalice Now you’re contradicting yourself.
not really. I've explained myself pretty thoroughly. You keep ignoring everything I say and just replying with random conservative talking points. I actually went back to see if I missed something and you were really trying to have a serious discussion. nope.
@normalice There’s your confirmation bias.It seems that you are incapable of having a civilized debate. I’m just going to stop replying to you since it’s obvious that you’ll continue to use the same arguments over and over even though I’ve already refuted them. You mentioned not a single point of my original comment, you quickly resorted to name calling.
I'm actually surprised you could tolerate repeating yourself over and over as long as you have, so it's cool if you want to call it. Most trump supporters stop responding the first time I refute their points. You seemed to take up the novel approach of just ignoring my refutation and claiming my replies were unrelated. It's actually kind of clever, for a trump supporter. But sadly in the world of real logic it's pretty transparent.
@normalice LMAO you’re so immature, I knew you would continue to spout off the same nonsense. You’ve just shown that you want to have the last word even it’s pure BS.
Thought you said you were leaving? What's this trying to get in the last word even if it means breaking yours? You have the consistency and memory of a trump supporter, and I don't understand why you are being evasive about everyone knowing you are one. You don't get credibility just by claiming to be an independent anymore - too many trump supporters have tried that trick. Hell, too many democrats have tried that trick as well. If you're not a trump supporter, you're definitely well on your way.
@normalice It was a test which you failed. Your problem is that you aren’t even addressing anything I’ve been saying and you continue to spout the same BS over and over.Typical moonbat.
You sure do like to ignore everything I keep telling you, don't you. Must be that trump supporter reading comprehension y'all got going on. You say something, I respond, you pretend you didn't see it and go on repeating your original point over and over and eventually ask why I stopped responding. So sad.
@normalice I gave you the benefit of the doubt (even though your first reply was irrelevant) until you resorted to name calling.
yeah, I tried to help you understand why you're on the path to becoming a trump supporter, but you just went with the ad homenim "oh you're a radical left winger" attacks instead of addressing anything I responded to your points with. Unfortunately, I saw this coming and decided to just play along instead of pretend you can think and treat you like you were trying to have a real discussion. Because we both know you aren't.
@normalice There you go again intentionally misinterpreting what I originally said to fit your rhetoric. Something moonbats are notorious for.It is you who started out with the ad hominems not me, you started calling me a “radical right winger” just because I said something that you didn’t agree with. And it’s embarrassing on your part how you are copying my replies to fit in with your rhetoric as well. Like I said, it’s obvious that you are only arguing for the sake of arguing which is why you won’t shut up even though it’s been over 2 weeks. I’m also pretty sure the original asker of the question is tired of getting endless notifications.
Why do you keep just repeating what I say back at me? I point out that you started the namecalling so you have to try to say I'm the one who started it. I point out that you're intentionally misinterpreting what I say so you have to claim that I'm the one doing it. Is "I know you are but what am I" really the only thing trump supporters have mastered?
@normalice Ironically you’re sounding like a bot, you aren’t even addressing anything I tell you. You keep saying the same thing over and over again.
I keep saying the same thing over and over because you keep saying the same thing over and over, so you're not providing me with a fork in the conversation. Just this infinite loop you russian robots are so fond of.
one-word responses aren't going to save you. Oh no. it's so obvious you're doing the trump supporter thing of trying to get in the last word, even if it is only just one word. So I'm doing it.
@normalice Still deluding yourself?
a delusion you continue to insist on proving right by doing exactly what I said you would do over and over.
@normalice It should be evident by now that I no longer consider you to be credible considering that you are beyond stubborn, delusional and arrogant to admit you are wrong when I’ve refuted all of your irrelevant points.
Wow. I honestly didn't know you knew what credibility meant. That's actually kind of amazing. You must have converted to being a trump supporter rather recently.
@normalice I know what you are trying to do, you are trying to get me to stop replying so you can have the last reply on this thread to make yourself look as if you won the debate.
Of course. That's the standard you set, so I'm just playing along at this point. I understand things will probably get repetitive, but things have been repetitive ever since you failed to address my original point and instead just moved right into the name calling like a typical trump supporter.
@normalice Congratulations on proving your immaturity. You just admitted that you are arguing just for the sake of arguing even though you’ve lost the debate.
You admitted that we were never debating and this has just been an elaborate scheme to get the last word in against a liberal. I don't know why you lot feel the need to troll so much. Are you that afraid trump will lose re-election if you don't create a constant online environment of pretending extreme right wing biases are normal? I'm happy to take up your time here where no one is likely to read it, but seriously dude. You guys need to let democracy do its own thing.
@normalice There you go twisting my words around to suit your narrative.I’ve never blocked someone first but in this case I may just block you.
you're welcome to. I have a whole collection of trump supporters who have blocked me. I haven't blocked them, of course, but then I'm not the one who's afraid of exposure to that which is outside the fox bubble.
@normalice It’s not surprising that you’ve been blocked by so many people considering your inability to hold civilized coherent debates. Makes me wonder how many of them are actually Trump supporters. I wouldn’t be surprised if you made sweeping generalizations about them as well as a result of you distorting their words.You’re the kind of person who expects the world to agree with you. And if someone says something that that you don’t agree with, they are suddenly “Trump supporters” or “Russians bots”. It’s no different than calling you a communist or a Stalinist just for having a different political stance. Funny how you never denied being a communist or Stalinist.
I've noticed that despite all your bluster, you just can't bring yourself to say you don't support him. It's like a magic word for you admitting it's possible to identify all the far right nonsense you've posted is, indeed, nonsense. You'll break the illusion you struggle to maintain and it could take hours to recover.
@normalice Why are you being evasive?
heh. I knew it. You have to redirect instead of just typing out the words "I do not support trump." All this could move on to the next phase if you did simply that. I could point out that everything you've said is exactly the sort of thing trump supporters say. You could point out that you didn't read that and that you thus assume I didn't point anything out. And the cycle can begin anew.
@normalice And There It is, a person who lacks the necessary logic and reasoning skills to realize I’ve already implied that I don’t consider myself a Trump supporter but I also don’t have anything against him either.Once again you continue to be evasive.
@normalice So, can you say you don't support Trump despite maybe support certain policies he pushed forward?Or, if you support any of his policies, then that makes you a Trump Supporter?This is a line I see that gets blurred a lot.
By saying you don't have anything against him, that's basically a confession that you can't bring yourself to say that you do have something against him. Meaning you're either completely in the bag for him and feel like it might spoil your flow here if you admitted it, or it's exactly what you say and you don't have anything against him because because you're still new to politics and have only just recently started to dip your toes in the far right propaganda, instead of the normal media. In either case you're doomed. Not sure what you think I'm evading. I addressed all the points you made and ignored the points you didn't make. But feel free to refresh my memory if I missed one.
@normalice Again with the false dichotomy?
Again with the neat evasion of making any sort of point.
@normalice I’ve already proved my points, while you have yet to show any valid counter argument that isn’t full of fallacious nonsense.
You haven't even raised any points. You just recited your far right propaganda and I guess fooled yourself into mistaking it for profound or something. Because it was just nonsense.
@normalice My points are in my original comment which you failed to address.Here’s a refresher of your first reply: “None of this suggests you are politically independent. Sorry, but it suggests you are only "tolerant" of extreme right wing news sources..”From the get-go of your replies, you automatically assumed I’m a “extreme right winger”. AKA a sweeping generalization.
I assumed that you were an extreme right winger because you use extreme right wing propaganda and unless you're some kind of alien genius that extreme right wing propaganda will eventually become you. That's the whole point of it. That's why it's made. You are doomed to become an extreme right winger if are not already. This is something I've pointed out over and over and you ignored in over and over. Forcing me to conclude that you want to go down that path, and nothing I can say or do can discourage you from doing so. So why bother.
@normalice And that’s where you are wrong. You automatically assumed I was using “extreme right wing propaganda” without explaining why. In reality I was giving an unbiased explanation that answers the question from an unbiased perspective.Do you really think “extreme right wing propaganda” would be acknowledging that there is some level of prejudice within it’s side of the political spectrum? Likewise do you think the radical left wing would acknowledge that they too have prejudice on their side of the political spectrum? The answers are no.The other error you made was assume that republicans are extreme right (alt right) just cause they share the same side of the political spectrum, which is both wrong and a false dichotomy. It’s like calling a Democrat a communist just cause they share the same side of the political spectrum.That’s why your argument was easy to refute.
I didn't assume. I observed. You said "Democrats are still intolerant of Asians, Christians, the successful, Hispanics, whites and traditionalists." That's simply false. It's commonly the sort of thing shared around the extreme right wing propaganda sites, but it has no basis in reality. The extreme right wing loves to try to claim that it's actually the democrats who are hateful, because they want to normalize hate by insisting that it isn't just them doing it. So they cherry pick stories that kind-of sort-of in a certain light could be interpreted that way if you put an excellent spin on it and maybe fill in some holes in the facts, but it's never actually true.
@normalice Nope that’s your political bias speaking. Surely you don’t expect liberal partisan sources to acknowledge the issues within it’s ideology do you?Who gave the green light to intern Japanese-Americans? It wasn’t the republicans. Who supported the internment? It wasn’t the republicans.Harvard also got sued by a group of Asian students for discriminating against them when it comes to enrollment.
and that's how I know your only source is far right propaganda sources. Every moron in the world is aware that democrats were the conservative party until civil rights movement. Far right sites are the only ones who have any chance of attracting sufficiently ignorant readers that they can be tricked by calling the conservatives democrats. And the fact that you were so eager to fall for it only confirms everything I've said about you. But it doesn't even matter, because there's a whole elaborate web of bullshit stories on far right propaganda sites. Just because I cure one case of your ignorance doesn't mean you don't have a billion others waiting in the wings. And while I'm happy to tell you over and over that your sources are wrong as you present each new bullshit far right propaganda piece, that's basically what I've already been doing all this while and it obviously doesn't sink in. I'm not your paid tutor. You can look up these glaring inconsistencies for yourself.
@normalice You do realize FDR was a progressive right?
Yes. FDR was also a republican. That's what I'm saying. Democrats were the conservative party. Also, everyone who made these decisions is dead, so I'm not even sure why you believe this to be relevant now, but whatever. The simple fact is that any obscure evidence you can conjure up that democrats are "against asians" is necessarily the definition of a broad sweeping generalization to then go ahead and try to use it as such. As someone who is trying to pretend to be hyper-aware of broad sweeping generalizations, the fact that this one somehow snuck past you is what I mean when I say you are doomed. Just embrace it, man. You know you want to.
@normalice How can a socialist be a conservative? That makes no sense at all.“the fact that this one somehow snuck past you is what I mean when I say you are doomed. Just embrace it, man. You know you want to.” and I don’t know what you mean by that, I’m guessing it’s just another ad hominem.
at no point did I say a socialist could be a conservative. I am saying that these things are pretty well documented it grade school history books. That you didn't investigate such common knowledge on your own only tells me that you're certainly not going to scrutinize the much better propaganda the far right has to offer. You were doomed to becoming a trump supporter the moment you were exposed to far right propaganda and didn't immediately dismiss it as such. Democrats are not intolerant of christians, seeing as pretty much all of them claim to one. They are... dammit. You had me doing it, treating you seriously. Lol. Good troll.
@normalice You claim FDR was a conservative when he was actually a socialist. It’s actually you who needs a lecture in history. You also probably didn’t know that the NAACP and communist party of America also supported the Japanese-American internment as mentioned in “Give me liberty” by Eric Foner.
no, please work on your reading comprehension. I know it's hard for you trump supporters, but it's critical online because i don't know of any other way of comunicating with you. But I said FDR was a republican, not a conservative. Please read stuff before replying to it.
@normalice FDR wasn’t a republican, he was a Democrat.
Right. But he was a republican at first. He swapped parties because of a falling out with Hoover, not because of any ideological reasons. Indeed, his transition.. you know what. nevermind. Look it up yourself. The point is this has nothing to do with any evidence that modern democrats discriminate against Asians, christians, the successful, hispanics, whites, or traditionalists. Well, maybe traditionalists, but only because being 'traditional' is used as a euphemism to discriminate against others. Are you honestly suggesting that some ideological name play for long dead people was enough to convince you that modern democrats discriminate against asians? You're ignoring the point that that's a sweeping generalization, if ever there was one.
@normalice Looks like we’re finally starting to have a more civilized conversation. I understand that political parties don’t equal ideologies but in regards to FDR he may have changed his party but he was a socialist nonetheless. Now, even though he seemed to have a change of heart since he allowed Japanese-Americans to serve in the military (specifically the 442nd RCT). It doesn’t change the fact that he gave the green light for the internment and had NAACP and American communist members supporting his decision.In regards to how this is still relevant today. I mentioned how Harvard (a liberal college) came in conflict with a group of Asian students who sued Harvard since the Asian students felt that the university was discriminating against them.Then comes the issue of how the radical left openly discriminates against men by labeling masculinity “toxic” and by ignoring men’s issues.And yes the also hate the successful by frequently labeling them as “privileged”.
of course, none of that is true. There is a thing called toxic masculinity, but it isn't just "masculinity." Assuming the left considers the two terms synonymous is a far-right propaganda sweeping generalization. It has no basis in reality - it only serves to turn people such as yourself against common sense things like "rape is never cool." And while you might protest that you don't actually think rape is ever cool, give it 3 years or so for you to go full trump supporter and then you'll be all about speculating hypothetical situations for when rape is, in fact, cool. We do definitely discriminate against rapists on the left. But if you're trying to tell me they don't deserve scorn you're already pretty much over that ledge.And success and privilege are entirely different things. Success is earned. Privilege is inherited. Liberals hate neither - though they do acknowledge that privileged has gotten out of hand. It's that thing where if you had a job that made 60 dollars a hour and you had it since the minute that jesus died and you worked every day for 24 hours a day and paid no taxes, you still wouldn't have a billion dollars. No one "earns" a billion dollars. It has to be swindled or it can't be obtained. That's just a matter of having a basic sense of proportion - which, of course, the right propaganda people try to obscure that sense because convincing you that they should have a billion dollars is part of the swindle.
@normalice The concept of toxic masculinity was coined by the men’s rights movement in the 1990s. It wasn’t till the 2010s when the feminists took it and distorted it’s original meaning to attack masculinity. Of course misandrists and soy boys (male feminists) deny that they aren’t calling masculinity toxic but their actions speak louder than words when they force effeminacy onto their sons. www.google.com/.../ampYou are still making unwarranted assumptions about me by assuming I’m a “Trump supporter” even though I’ve already made it perfectly clear that I’m no Trump supporter. By the way you have yet to deny that you aren’t a communist or a Stalinist.And it’s naive to think that only Far right sources are biased when moonbat sources are just as biased if not more biased than far right sources.
you shared a single story that was so baffling that someone actually wrote about it as apparent proof that it's endemic. Knowing in advance that you were likely to take this crap seriously is why I didn't bother taking you seriously. The fact that you do not seem capable of immediately dismissing it as bullshit - very precisely manufactured bullshit, but bullshit all the same - makes you suspectible to tumbling down that rabbit hole. I consider you a lost cause. I'm not going to go through every single far right talking point with you and explain why it's bullshit. Even if I did that, they would just create more. That's the genius of all this - once they've resigned to make shit up, they can make up literally as much shit as they can imagine. Eventually the bullshit gets so thick and thorough it's hard to tell the difference between the bullshit and the real ground. And that's the bullshit you've wandered into. If you're immune to the smell, I'm sorry but you're already lost.
@normalice Oh, So we are going to do insults again, very well.You are a typical moonbat with a pea sized brain that can’t accept any bit of evidence that contradicts your narrative. The fact this story pissed you off, really shows just how biased and pigheaded you are. You want to know what’s ironic, I don’t hate every left wing ideology. I even agree with certain left wing stances because I can be unbiased and open minded unlike you who can’t analyze a argument from the opposition without resorting to insults.Let me make something perfectly clear pal... I don’t get my information off stormfront, vanguard or daily stormer as you seem to believe. I get my information from personal observations and research from credible sources. Second of all, I ain’t on the extreme right. As I said I’m politically independent. I’m not a racist or sexist as you seem to think.If you want people to stop blocking you then perhaps you should educate yourself and grow up. You calling people names, slandering, mudslinging, being evasive and promoting opinions as facts is not a good way to debate.Furthermore, your obsession with Trump isn’t healthy.And by the way you have yet to deny being a communist.
yeah. I know you >said< you're politically independent. I'm sure every right winger as deep as you are in the "credible" propaganda thinks they are an independent - because that's what the propaganda tells them to think. If you honestly believe, within the time frame of one lifetime, you're even capable of observing a sufficient sample size of anything at all to accurately represent any subset of the population, you simply seem to have never been given the chance to fully appreciate the scale of the world's population.But whatever. You've been told that you're independent because that's what the propagandists want you saying, but you're not. To even think there's any merit to saying liberals are intolerant of.. anyone really is simply a failure to pay attention to the world outside your bubble. I'm not going to burst it for you. I can't burst it for you. I've been in the bubble and know it's unburstable. It is only pain that got me out and only pain will get you out. You might even go your whole life avoiding that pain. Or, you might experience it but the propaganda gets to you first and convinces you to blame the wrong people. I don't know the future. I just know that there is nothing I can say or do to communicate with you using the facts outside of your bubble as a basis. Because leaving those out is precisely the whole point of the bubble!
@normalice What does that have anything to do with what I recently said? You sound as if you have been buying into antifa propaganda.
I guess that's what I'm trying to tell you. It's hard to translate the facts in the real world into the language used by the propaganda in your bubble. Because the propagandists in your bubble never bothered to create words for situations in which the propaganda was lying to you, because they don't want you to consider that possibility.
@normalice Distorting my words and ignoring my points, what else is new.
I would accuse you of ignoring my points, but as I've implied it's more likely they just didn't translate into your weird bubble language. And it's not me distorting your words, it's the bubble. But all of this agonizing energy to try to communicate you through your shell is fruitless. Which is why I only spent the last couple of posts taking you semi-seriously, and now will resume dropping that altogether. I thought there was a chance you might have primed for trying to understand what was being said to you in the context of how was said, but I knew that was long shot. Clearly that didn't work. Enjoy your bubble while it lasts, I guess.
@normalice “Enjoy your bubble while it lasts, I guess.” What ever that means.
It means the people who maintain the bubble will stop maintaining it once they don't need you anymore.
@normalice Yeah, that makes zero sense at all. More assumptions on your part since you are still deluding yourself into thinking I’m a “extreme right winger” like Richard Spencer. But in reality the far right hates me since I can barely call myself white.
yup. I never imagined it would make sense, which is why I had no intention of taking any of this seriously from the start.
@normalice With your usage of a sweeping generalization in your first comment, I didn’t take you seriously either.
It never entered my mind that you would.
@normalice Yet here you are, almost as if you’ve become the obsessed with this thread.
you're doing that "describing yourself at me" thing again.. I could almost guarantee that if you tallied my words and tallied yours, you'd have way more here.But whatever. I don't expect objective thinking from some guy who is doomed to be a trump supporter.
@normalice There you go again calling me a Trump supporter.Yet you refuse to even deny when I call you a communist or antifa.
That's because I'm not convinced you have any idea what those terms mean. They mean different things in the trump supporter bubble, and you're clearly not privy to the definitions the real world uses.
@normalice It goes both ways pal, you like to toss around the word “Trump supporter” like confetti when arguing with someone who has different views than you. Talk about tallies, you’ve definitely called me a Trump supporter more than I’ve called you a commie. It really shows that you are the one who is ignorant since you are oblivious to your own false dichotomy.I would even argue that you have some serious mental issues since you have literally been spouting off on this thread for almost a month, do you not work? Not to mention your creepy selfie.
except I'm not really calling you a trump supporter so much as trying to warn you of your future in the only way I know how. If being called a trump supporter disturbs you as much as it should, then perhaps you'll be cautious about things that seem to make you inexplicably agree with trump on issues you previously did not agree with him on. Maybe you'll question whether that persuasion was from an unbiased source or if it was actually from far right propaganda. I doubt you'll do any of this, but the purpose of it is to give you a chance. Whereas your name calling is (as you practically just admitted) just an attempt to get even. Spite. Which is what trump campaigned on.
@normalice And with that, your credibility has been completely tarnished. You literally have been calling me Trump supporter and now you are trying to change your narrative to say “Oh I was only saying you are on verge of becoming a Trump supporter” It’s obvious we are not going to agree with each other on this topic, I’m willing to agree to disagree with you.
Like I said, you have shown me no evidence that you even have the slightest understand of what credibility means. Anyone who buys into the far right propaganda must necessarily accept the far right propagandists definition of credibility. Which is simply made up.And it's not changing my narrative. It's clarifying it. Had you attempted to comprehend anything I've written thus far, you probably would have noticed that >all this time< I've been saying you are either a trump supporter or doomed to become one. You say you are not a trump supporter. I don't fully believe you, but it doesn't matter because you're still doomed to become one. For all intents and purposes, you may as well already be one. So, I consider you as such. Little bit quantum/causal of me, but whatever. It doesn't matter.
@normalice That’s it, I’m done replying to this thread. I was giving you a second chance to prove you are capable of holding a civilized debate but apparently that’s too difficult for you.
That's odd, I lost count of the chances I was giving you. You didn't even seem to recognize them. No surprise, really..
@normalice One last thing. Hopefully whenever we debate on another thread, you’ve grown up by then. If not then I’ll ignore you until you’ve actually grown up. Which sounds funny to say since you are 39 years old supposedly.
If by "grow up" you mean "blindly accept your sources as you have," then no. That's not happening. Indeed, I would say a major part of growing up is identifying far right propaganda when you see it. You have yet to reach that point, but I suppose it's not impossible - just not likely, either..
@normalice Yet you expect people to blindly accept left wing sources? Get over yourself hypocrite.Furthermore You’re literally arguing with a complete stranger. I could already imagine you sitting at your computer 24/7 just waiting for my next reply. It’s funny how you ignored when I pointed out your obsession with this thread.
so you'll admit that you blindly accept your sources as long as someone one on the left admits to blindly accepting theirs? That doesn't make sense. And if you're asking for my source one the fact that democrats aren't intolerant of (for example) christians, I would again simply point out that ~90% of the democrats in congress are christians. So when you say "intolerant" you're using trump-bubble-definition of the word, instead of the real definition.and I'm on vacation. I have arguments going on all over the internet. This is just one thing that pops up a few times a day. Don't worry. By Sunday I'll be back to my normal routine and you can shed your weird fetish for thinking your opinion has become important to me.
@normalice So you’re still distorting words, not surprising.
@normalice That’s it, any more bs from you will be deleted
you complain about how I don't address your points and when I do you just write it off as b. s. and threaten to hide it. what a joke..
@normalice When you promote biased opinions as facts and insult those who disagree with you and or refute you, you shouldn’t be surprised that people will hide your temper tantrums and misinformation. And get over yourself you literally admitted that you are a instigator by saying that you are arguing with a bunch of random people on the internet.With you hurling insults, spamming nonsense and making threats against those who disagree with you. I’m surprised you haven’t been banned from this site yet. As I said, you need to grow up and accept that not everyone shares your political stances. That’s why nobody respects antifa, they are a bunch of punks who can’t accept that the world is diverse in likes and dislikes. Just like antifa you are exhibiting signs proto-totalitarianism.
I'm not surprised when someone so influenced by bias thinks my objective reasoning is the actual bias. It happens every time I talk to a trump supporter, in much the same way as it's happening now with you. What a coincidence, amirite?And you are a little bit of a special case. You're the first person I've met with all the signs of being a trump supporter that didn't take pride in being one. You're also the first person I've met with all the signs of being a trump supporter that didn't block me the moment I suggested one of his points might have been based on misleading information. Of course, that's probably because you didn't read it when I said that, but what can ya do..
@normalice So predictable, I knew you would just copy and distort what I said to suit your narrative.
oh. how did you ever predict that I would do the thing I spent the last 10 days telling you I was doing? ur a genious!! wow!!
@normalice I heard you the first time, I’m simply pointing out how ridiculous your narrative is.
yeah, but you stole the idea from me. I pointed out how ridiculous your narrative is, so now you have to try to claim you're doing the same to my narrative. Which is weird because I haven't really had a narrative beyond just pointing out that you could wrong. So typical for trump supporters to panic when they are exposed to that fact (or any fact).
@normalice Panicking about what?
good lord. what is going on with your reading comprehension?
@normalice You know, I’m getting real tired of having to scroll all the way down your long list of replies just to read your latest reply.
you and me both. But, whatever. Anything to argue.
@normalice Hey, I’m not the one who started this argument.
neither am I. That honor goes to the question asker. I just thought it would be a good idea to point out the use of propaganda to craft most of your points, and then everything went nutty.
Isn’t that Trumpkins playbook?
@OddBeMe Trump doesn't need a playbook because the left shoots itself in the foot every day.
Not gonna disagree about Dems. But Trump can shoot both his feet in one sentence.
@OddBeMe Yes, it is a circus in Washington.
Also, which party wants to take away more women’s rights?
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So, when guest speakers in universities are being shouted down, interrupted and called horrid intolerant things that's the tolerance of the Democractic party? Liberals or the left?Both sides have their issues. Deep, deep ones at that. They also have there hypocrisy as well.
@Corerue that's likely just a bunch of boisterous college students doing their thing when an idiot talks to the educated, acting like he's supposed to be taken seriously. While college students tend to vote democratic more so than republican, to call them "the democratic party" is simply willful ignorance - exactly the sort of thing, in fact, that would get you shouted down if you were to make such a stupid claim in front of a bunch of educated people.
Well I'm meaning like Ben Shapiro (college educated, lawyer (iirc), fairly sharp) and mainly Jordan Peterson (I like his motivating-self care/drive talks and overall philosophy).And apologies, college students I know call themselves the True Democratic Party. It... is a real drag as in Alaska we are sort of the dead end road in national politics lol.Myself. I do my best to be an independent middle of the road sort. I don't like the blues or the reds. They both have contributed immensely to the systematic problems in the country and seem hellbent on exacerbating the issues instead of fixing them.For, well, job security lmao.
@Corerue Ben Sharpio isn't the kind of "sharp" that would win him any sort of logic contest. He's "sharp" in the way a con man is sharp - excellent at bullshitting and appearing to know what he's talking about, without actually knowing much at all. People have very little patience for bullshit on a college campus (unless it's in their own thesis, lol). Unfortunately, this has kind-of become the republican standard of debate practice. It's hard take the 'both sides" argument seriously when only one side seems to make that argument (instead of ever arguing the topic). Republicans tend to cram several assertions into each sentence, proving none of them, so that it's impossible to keep track of everything without spending hours unraveling a sentence spoken in under a minute. And, when one tries to summarize a response with a simple "that's all bullshit," republicans default to the 'both sides' argument. The "i should get equal time" thing that would only make sense if they had agreed to debate by equal rules. Which they absolutely never will.
Sounds like you’re afraid of “fags”. We always fear what we’re becoming.
@OddBeMe Ok sigmund freudI dont fear anything besides God. God has given me his armor and given me sight. The only thing I am BEING, is a servant of God. BECOMING is a false state and is from the Devil, no one becomes, everyone is born, and everyone is.
So was God born?
@OddBeMe God is eternal, He Is. God isn't limited to material.
Please provide proof of this. How do you know anything is eternal? Astrophysicists can’t determine if our universe is eternal or not.
All you have to do is look at completely Democrat controlled California for that answer
Clearly- wait, oh right! Donald Trump. Sorry Repubs. Dems win again. By that I mean the popular vote.
It's a shame you decided to go Anon because you gave a great answer.
@MoscowMitch Thanks man. Religion and politics are something i'm almost always going to go anon on because it's such a polarizing subject.
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