Exactly. Mostly this system ruins those people's lives.
I agree with you but to be clear it’s far from a modern phenomena. Fakalati in Tonga being one older example that comes to mind.
Surely it's never been as wide spread, accepted and practically encouraged as it is today across western society?
There’s a bit of debate about the 30,000-6000bce period with the pan-European Venus figurine cult but certainly not since then.
@SizzyDesii you are the kind of person I can respect. Traditional like a girl should be.
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"Not hormones and surgery that only makes the problem worse" Your clear citation of studies makes your argument utterly overwhelming. You're sure a kick-ass debater!
Psychiatrists always said it was until the agenda started being pushed now they say whatever is PC. Liberals 10-20 years ago were not like liberals of today these shrinks who say it is not a mental illness are giving their opinion not facts. Before this most recent PC movement came along if one of those things walked into the grocery store everyone was freaked out it was a disturbance. Now liberals are trying to force acceptance it doesn't change anything though still a mental illness and abnormal.
@MAINEVENTMAFlA I know. I remember 10 years ago when I was in college, one of my professors said there was a trannie her class, and the other students were bullying it. Now they welcome these freaks with open arms, because they HAVE to be nice to them, or they will get expelled. Fuck, I remember when being called "homo" "gay" or "faggot" was the biggest insult a man could receive. It was so emasculating. Now they tell you, "So, what's wrong with being gay?"
But what on Earth could psychiatrists know about mental illness? As someone who worked in mental health, in a mental health hospital (aka an asylum), I'll be brutally blunt. Psychiatrists don't know much beyond their books. Where I worked they saw patients for an hour a week. Only a complete & utter moron would think these psychiatrists, these "specialists", knew much about their patients with such little exposure.
@SomeBlondeChick so from the beginning psychiatrists addressed it as a mental illness now the ruling class are pushing the agenda so all of a sudden it is not a mental illness? If it wasn't one they would not have considered it one for all those years. If somebody puts doghair all over their body and believes they are a dog is that normal or are they mentally ill? Of course they are so how is it different if you believe you are the opposite sex? It's not that is common sense.
Obviously I mean the fucking world has gone crazy but it still doesn't change facts. More people will accept it these days because they want to fit in or they work for a PC company which is basically every big company out there and they don't want to lose their jobs but mental illness is still mental illness whether it is accepted or not.
@MAINEVENTMAFlA My generation is so stupid. They don't think for themselves but simply do and believe what they're TOLD is right!
@ZeussLightningBolt you are right and these liberal colleges don't help things either they indoctrinate people to believe this kind of BS. Because who owns the colleges? Rich people and these students are brainwashed by instructors who are doing the bidding of the ruling class. Sex and gender was always the same thing until more recently so they could use it as an excuse to defend this sick agenda. I am not religious but it all goes back to the bible. The ruling class are Satanists and they want androgyny pushed. It all goes back to the 80s hair bands dressing like women wearing ripped jeans. You didn't see as much of it for a while now it is worse in a big way. Becky Lynch in WWE calling herself the man things like that are there to blur the lines between man and woman. Not that I buy into religion or anything but these people are anti-christian so they push these things bottom line. People are such morons they go with any trend or BS agenda that is pushed because Lady Gaga or some other famous person tells them how to think.
@MAINEVENTMAFlA Women have stopped being feminine and men have stopped being masculine
@ZeussLightningBolt Look at movies and TV as well they are pushing this same agenda. Ellen always dressing like a man every show has a gay character. They are socially engineering people mostly the youth to think all of it is normal.
Silly Left and their obsession with actual expertise in a subject.
But do they say so for the right reasons, or just so they would have the popular opinion? Also why it was an official illness for whole 80s, 90s and 00s, if it's not an illness?
Well not popular, but liberal.
Go ask them if you want to know. But I do trust them more than I trust people on this site because they work in the health industry. Plus who cares what transsexuals do in their life, it is their own personal life. I stay out of other people business
"But do they say so for the right reasons, or just so they would have the popular opinion? Also why it was an official illness for whole 80s, 90s and 00s, if it's not an illness?"Also, why were blacks treated as inferior to whites for much of the 20th century if they aren't actually inferior to whites? Inquiring minds want to know.
They're run by Leftists
What did they say 10-20 years ago? You can bet it was the opposite they only say no now because the agenda is being pushed by the ruling class no other reason. It is complete BS.
@JenSCDC Really? They AREN'T? Then how come White countries have great technology, infrastructure, low crime and black countries are poor, diseased, crime infested third world shitholes. Not all of them, but a vast majority. YES, blacks ARE inferior to Whites, except in sports and comedy! If they weren't, black countries would have the same standard of living as white countries. I know you're gonna call me a racist, so I will say. This doesn't mean that blacks should be treated worst than whites, it just means that whites are better at certain things. To say blacks and whites are on the same level is moronic and factually incorrect. by the way, I'm Whites but I'll admit that Asians have a higher IQ then us and are better in science and technology. Is it racist? NO, it's FACT!
@ZeussLightningBolt Black countries are not inferior because they just black. They are inferior because they are far more religious than western countries
They're inferior because their leaders are corrupt. But the reason doesn't matter, because the facts are clear as day.
@ZeussLightningBolt Yeah that happens when you let religious weirdos rule a country Corrupt pigs who hate human rights and freedom
Okay yeah, you may be right. I've never noticed that, but the really fucked up countries are all religious as hell
@ZeussLightningBolt Religion poison everything
And just where did you do your residency in psychiatry?
@JenSCDC It’s listed as a mental illness by the American Psychiatric Association. I assume you think they don’t know what they’re talking about.
Why? I thought you'd be against it for sure.
I think they're just confused on what to identify with
Same thing with gay people
They think they're opposite sex. That goes way beyond being confused about stuff or being gay/bi.
To me I see it as similar but in different ways it's just confusion or a desire to be different to me
But if somebody feels that way, do you think the society should approve it and his/her genetalia should be "changed". Wouldn't it be better to help them to overcome that "confusion" in some other way?
It’s their lives I don’t usually get into people’s business
Ok I disagree. You shouldn't approve it just to sound nice. If you really think it's normal and those people are sane, ok then.
It’s their lives not mine
Their life their choice
It can be both.