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@princeneo I'm not sure I might be speaking out of school on this but is it not better to get shot quick bang and over with than to be bludgeoned to death by a coconut? DISCLAIMER no offense to anyone may have or know anyone bludgeoned by a coconut.
Exactly bullet quick and painless, coconut painful and it smell like f****** coconut water now.
Licensing is not "common sense". It is a step toward confiscation.Common sense is to execute drug dealers, increase the penalties for drug use, lower the bar for institutionalizing the mentally ill, and require all mental patients (and anyone on psychiatric drugs) to be on a publicly accessible database of threats.
Isn't every restriction a "step towards confiscation" to you people?But executing "drug dealers" isn't a huge step towards a fascist state?
If the government knows what guns I have or prohibits me from owning certain guns, then it is confiscation.In the US, there are about 75,000 people a year dying from drug overdose, and another 11,000 are murdered over drugs. In addition, some untold number of suicides are drug related, with estimates running from 15,000 to 20,000.Imposing mandatory execution for drug dealers is a reasonable policy. Countries that have and strictly enforce such laws do not have drug problems.
@Grande_Beefy_Swirl Good Lady, with all respect, some get very passionate, with this issue, and nobody has an answer that really has worked. Literally THOUSANDS of laws already passed, and issued, but not enforced, effectively. Many "Mental Health" issues, as what person, in their right mind just shoots strangers, or kids? WTF?But how to address that? Several 'mass-shooters' were 'flagged' or there were 'warning signs' that were not reported, not acted upon, or ignored?I don't know the answer, but more laws, on law-abiding citizens that rarely commit these crimes, is not the answer. I think more awareness of mental health, and warning signs is crucial!People that ignore laws are never going to respect more laws on the citizens that never commit these crimes, but I understand your frustration, and every person, every child that is killed, is a TRAGEDY!If you have some good ideas, real, effective ideas, please share and I will totally support you, in every way!
We literally had more gun restrictions when Bush was in office than we do now. There's plenty of countries with reasonable gun laws.
Like Mexico? The Philippines? They have what you would call "reasonable" gun control laws.Laws don't work if they are not enforced.Half of all murders in the US are drug related. That means there are laws not being enforced that lead to violence.
Actually there's many politicians want to ban the so called "assault rifle" but can even give a definitive answer on what a assault weapon is.95% of people think that they know what one is, is completely clueless and wrong. i feel and believe if you need secret service and body guards to protect them and there heads are so far up there asses shouldn't have the right to dictate laws that determine my rights.
Nazi germany wanted to know what guns people wanted and look what happened? quickest way to control a group of people is to disarm them. sorry but im not going to hand over information on what i own or dont own nor am i handing over my firearms.
So we wait that you kill at least one person to then tell you "you won't do it anymore" like it can bring dead back to life?
@snickermarstwix the one is too much argument is trash. Thats advocating for a complete restriction on everything and having every move monitored and tracked very literally. Cuz if someone wants to kill they will do it without a gun too. Its unfortunate that there are victims of people who use guns maliciously and thats only half the argument. We also reserve the right to protect ourself from tyranical government and that will not be feasible without guns
How you want to not use a gun maliciously? It was made to kill people. But I understand that if you want to kill you'll do it but it's way easier with a gun, you can't dodge or parry a bullet.You can defend yourself without a gun, gun is the easy way leading to the worst case scenario.
@Snickermarstwix It must be nice to feel you could protect yourself from a criminal without a gun. It's not realistic. I'd love to see you protect yourself against a man or several men with guns that break into your home. And they will have a gun because of illegal gun sales. And even if they don't how are you gonna fight off more than one person without a gun. And you can hope that they won't kill you. Maybe they will just rob you and rape your wife.I'm realistic enough to know if you man decides to rob me or try to rape me my chances of fighting him off is very little.We can't help that their are sick people that will kill others for malicious reasons. Defending yourself is not malicious. Most normal people don't even ever want to point a gun and shoot another human being. But if it comes down to my life or my family's life you can bet I will have to make that hard decision. People with the intention of murder will always find a way because guns will still be sold legally or illegally. If they want to do a mass killing and can't get guns they will use bombs and other sick ways of killing multiple people.So you keep thinking that you don't need a gun to defend yourself. I hope you're never proven wrong.
Let me just end this argument right here, criminals aren’t going to turn in they’re weapons, so why should innocent responsible gun owners? You can’t answer it, you think you can but you can’t. Sit Kid.
I'm older than you...
Age doesn’t necessarily mean an upper hand in wisdom kid. So therefore you are a kid. Please sit down from the argument.
And you're "right" no need to debate more, I see you the way I see flat earth people.
Well you speak like a child... so you’re just every stereotypical liberal listed ever. Please sit.
Blablabla speaking like an idiot doesn't make you any more mature :)
You’re just proving my point...
Only children would say what you just said.
Actually commiting a violent crime or 99% of all felonies already bans you from legally buying any or legally owning any or anyone in your house hold to own or have them or pretty much be around them.
So much better off being unable to protect yourself from criminals and a tyrannical government, good deal
@Rangers The idea that a bunch of plebs with guns can fight off a genuinely tyrannical government is a fantasy.
It’s better than nothing. Have fun when your government goes tyrannical.
Do you even know what pleb means? And it's not 2012 anymore, nobody plays League Of Legends. The fact that they can resist the government at all is enough to keep them at bay and keep them from becoming tyrannical.
"a bunch of plebs with guns"*vietnam flashbacks*
Speaking of Vietnam those vietnamese folks did a pretty good job defending themselves too I tell you what...@boppy @gsm24diecast
Funny, That 'fantasy' is how the United States got started.
If you guys think that your gun is going to shoot down a plane, you're crazy. A tank, crazy. Damage a battleship, out of your freaking minds. Guns won't stop tyrannical governments, so that part of your argument is completely invalid. With that said, with proper background checks, psychological tests AND real training, I don't see a reason to ban guns. Law abiding citizens would still be able to buy guns. They'd still be able to buy ammunition.
@letssee89 Tell that to the Afghan farms with their 80's era Kalashnikovs and 80's era RPG's. Then tell this to those shot down and fighting those farmers. It is interesting to think a goat farmer can stave off the most powerful military the world has to offer and did the same in the 80's with the Soviets. It is your argument that is flawed and naive.
Did you know that the non-black murder rate in the US is lower than the OEDC average?
@WalterRadio Would those be black Americans? Then it's still an American problem, assuming it's true.Reduce lead in the environment and wait a generation or so. Give people paid work to do, improving their neighbourhoods. Generally give people hope and skills. (Not just black people, either, any depressed area.)http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/topics/safety/"The homicide rate (the number of murders per 100 000 inhabitants) is a more reliable measure of a country's safety level [than feeling safe walking alone at night] because, unlike other crimes, murders are usually always reported to the police. According to the latest OECD data, the United Kingdom's homicide rate is 0.2, the lowest rate in the OECD, where the average is 3.7." (18x better than the average.)"According to the latest OECD data, the United States' homicide rate is 5.5, higher than the OECD average of 3.7."
@goaded Blacks make up 12% of the US population and commit 50% of the murders. Those are just facts.That means the non-black murder rate (removing blacks from committing murder and the total population denominator) is 56% of the overall murder rate, and that puts it at less than average for developed nations.
@WalterRadio 1. They're still Americans, and they're dying. 2. Half of 5.5 is still more than 10x the UK's 0.2 murder rate, and twice Canada's 1.3.
And who dictates who should and shouldn't have guns? The same corrupt and incompetent government who uses our tax dollars for their profiteering schemes.
A lot of people are misinformed 76.2% of gun crimes are of handguns being used, Assault rifles are only about 8% of all gun crimes. The Media Amps up the shootings used with Armalite Rifles , but it’s only about 0000.6% of all shootings, but they don’t focus on the 76.2% of Handgun crimes...
They also clearly don’t realize the fact that the second amendment right in the United States is to essentially protect it’s citizens against a overpowering/corrupt/rouge government or governments (including our own)
They also use false terms like "assault rifle", "assault weapons", "fully semi automatic" and shit like that to scare people
But do you know why we have the second amendment right in the United States? Not only for self defense but to protect our selves against a tyrannical government/governments. Do you think criminals are going to turn in their weapons? NO. So why should responsible Gun owners?
I did but having laws on guns is restricting certain things which would later go to a complete ban.. that’s how it has always worked.
So you need a permit to open carry?
But there are no fully automatic weapons on the market unless you have federal licenses to carry those, what you are referring to is semi automatic, which is 1000x different than “fully automatic” not to mention that Armalite Rifles are only made up of 0000.6% of all shootings, the real killer in Weapon usage in the United States is 76.2% of handguns being used in crimes/shootings.
No. I am referring to full automatics. Your question was “should their be gun control”. Not “should the gun control restrictions in jurisdiction X be changed”.
There were no fully automatic weapons used in any shooting as of this year or really any year, that were bought from a store... it doesn’t happen, so I don’t know what your liberal logic is.
I’ve voted for my national Conservative party every election in my life. No nuclear weapons have been used This year or any year really. Does that mean they shouldn’t be controlled?Are you so stupid you don’t think that the rules right now are “gun control”? Like every rule in place now is magically not gun control, but every new rule is a violation of the second Amendment? You realize you also just put forward an argument FOR increased gun control right?“ There were no fully automatic weapons used in any shooting as of this year or really any year, that were bought from a store... it doesn’t happen”I thought rules only impacted law abiding citizens how come all the criminals don’t have full automatics?
You lost all credibility in the conversation , anyone that needs to imply an insult or insult someone in a civilized conversation loses all. Have a good night.
I can't tell if this is for gun control or not...
Ops, sorry! Maybe I misunderstood the question
mass shootings only make about 0000.6% of all gun violence, 76.2% of shootings are caused by handguns, and about 14% is used with Rifles, but only about 6% is used with armalite rifles...
You can blame the media.
Because sometimes citizens need to kill criminals.
Lol the obvious answer. Become a criminal by killing another one. Same number of criminals in the end.by the way, when you got some kids that ends up killing hundred of citizens, is it worth your "we need to kill criminal" or you're going to tell me that if the victimes also had weapon they would have killed him? Like life is a video game.If no one except police and military have weapon, you'll end up with less dangerous criminals :)
And then you learn some self defense martial art so you get a bit of wisdom, you can't sell the power to kill to people.
So having an armed robbery individual in your home stealing or even trying to kill you , your not going to want to have a gun for self defense? Are you crazy?
Let's say the dude who robbers you isn't an alien but an actual citizen, and SO he can't have a gun too. Then at the very worst he has a knife. Learn how to defend yourself so he won't kill you?Finally, why the hell would you kill someone? How am I supposed to believe you're a righteous man when for you killing is okay as long as you're not the one starting the trouble? Isn't it insane?In France you got that kind of shit, selling weapons to terrorist to then complain they use it to kill people... Wait no, they complain that they kill people in France. How am I supposed to believe they're not insane. A weapon is supposed to kill a human, not to protect.Even if it's a criminal you're killing a person who has a family, maybe kids because you're the righteous man who has a gun.
Can we ban Liberalism too?
As long as you ban idiotism
Cause you got some, they are funny, you should see them "Let me kill people, I'm good man gne he"
How can it be liberal to think killing people and giving the power to kill is wrong?
How is your German?
Why don't we make all kinds of tests before anyone can write for or publish a newspaper or blog on internet?
Living in Germany and completely agree with you. When I'm reading about people who really believe they need a gun to protect themself against their government, I'm sure we are both living in paradise.
Syria, Ukraine, Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, I can name 50 more if ya like.
Maybe you should fight for more democracy not for guns.
@Neptunsheart yeah all the people who believed that were killed by government's guns. i think it's great that in countries like US deploying soldiers on the streets and shooting people is never an option for government and i think the reason for that is all the guns that ordinary citizens own because i think if governments have that kind of option, they'll use it no matter how democratic they are
Oh, I'm not from the US. I'm from Europe and we have a verry strict gun controle.But my point of view might be different, because I don't have to fear my government. Be sure I keep that in mind.
Your name explains a lot.
neither am i know :)