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So what is the exact point that a fetus turns into a person and gains full human consciousness like it didn't previously have?
@Big-A It's a continuous process. 24 weeks of gestation is well before the development of consciousness.
I don't think that half ass answer is gonna cut it.
@Big-A I don't really give a shit what you "think". If you have any real evidence let's hear it. It's generally accepted that personhood arises from a conscious brain. When someone is brain dead we pull the plug. Almost no one questions this. When a fetus is spontaneously aborted at say 12 weeks the mother is sad but we don't mourn the loss of a person that never was. Overall half or more of human embryos are spontaneously aborted, most unmourned. Besides most so called "pro-life" people are just pro-birth. They oppose any government support of birth control, early childhood education, free childhood health care, etc.
If it makes you feel better about your morals to pretend to know with certainty when consciousness begins and when humans should be placed on DNR, more power to you.I'm not a fan of discussions with your kind.
@Big-A "I'm not a fan of discussions with your kind." You mean discussions with people who use facts to support their position instead of just making ad-hominem attacks on anyone who disagrees? Yeah, I imagine that's hard for you to handle. Facts just get in the way.
I don't see any pertinant facts posted by you at all.
What if the pregnancy affects the mothers health?
Ok sorry, i thought you meant only because you dont wany a child
Yep thats ok, i guess
Ya ideally I feel it depends on the situation
Yep like rape or if the baby or mother is ill
So you're a vegetarian? Explain to me why a 12-week fetus is more alive than a fully grown steer?
You've got that right. It'a a decision between a woman and her health care provider.
@slatyb I see what you did there. I can get on board with that answer though actually.
@slatyb. It's a personal decision between her and GOD. And if she knew what GODS opinion on this would be , she wouldn't so much as dare to abort. . Never mind the laws point of view
@Djaay no one knows God's opinion of anything. At least half of all human embryos are spontaneously aborted, so it certainly appears that God doesn't care about them.
Just making shit up now.
@slatyb. The Bible contest that we've been told through commandments and advised accordingly. How your reiterating otherwise is a denial that belongs only to you.
It's a fact that at least 50% of human embryos are spontaneously aborted. God's opinion of anything? That's made up.
@slatyb. No... Thats you making up things yourself. You denial belongs to you and you only... own it dude !!
@Djaay No, that's really true. Here's a citation: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5443340/
Forget your earthy , trashy citation. GOD has one for you if you deny CHRIST and GOD.
@Djaay Lol. As expected, you can't handle the truth and prefer make-believe stories. To you I say "Don't like abortions? Don't have one."
You can look it up yourself. https://lmgtfy.com/?q=human+embryo+wastage
I can handle all the truth. That's what being a warrior for the truth is. You want to talk thruth , from who GOD or yourself...Truth is; your being subjected to lies of the devil and your in total belief of it as well... That there is dead on truth
The other truth is ; I'm talking to a dead twice over human who's in denial as GOD puts it in scripture.
@Djaay if you are playing the god card thats fine but might i remind you of your own teachings that only god can judge. and for those that dont believe in god all your reasoning is moot anyway.
I'm not judging you... I'm reminding you of GODS judgement. I'm accualyy giving you encouragement to see the truth. And I'm also very forgiving.
Because people have a very strong sex drive and don't always behave rationally. Because it's not easy for everyone to obtain birth control. Because guys pull dick moves like slipping off the condom. Because women are sexually assaulted. Because young women are molested by adult men. Because birth control sometimes fails.
Slipping off condom? Who's that retard who wants to die 😂
depends how empathic one can be
And you think you can imagine how it feels that something is growing in you? Sounds to me like shit
the fact you can't personally understand something does not make it un understandable to others. ofcourse i can't picture me being preggers but i can understand the confusion and stress a pregnant woman must feels when she has such a horrible choice to make
Ide say your right about not taking a stand on a womens decision to go straight to hell for her disobedience agaist the commanded commandments of CHRIST and GOD himself. By the way... the aborted go straight to heaven.
So you are a vegetarian?
No I like my protein
So a life isn't a life after all?
Depending on the kind I wouldn't kill a baby
I wouldn't either. A baby is the result of a live birth. A fetus is not a baby.
Agreed. If someone is brain-dead in a hospital bed and we pull the plug, is that murder? Why not?