Thats the thing, most people have no idea of what they are looking at, they think they know everything so well but in fact its oftev there own steriotypes about said culture. Kinomo is normal clothing, to even try to pass as geisha you need a lot of knowlage to even try to look a part. I studied Japanese culture at university, and i can make such odd outfit, that americans would simply explode with there sence of justice, but japanese would be happy about it that someone is being able to even do it.
@Janncis I hear you. But what's sad is that today, instead of "oh, wow, I don't know what that is, I'll go up to ask" it's become "I don't understand it, I associate that thing/clothing/etc with someone who doesn't look like the person I see before me - I will choose to be offended and will criticize this person".I have a tendency to approach people with open curiosity if I see something cultural that I don't understand. I genuinely am interested in their culture and their background - and I try to be as respectful as I can.If I make a mistake, people typically do call me out on it and I am quick to apologize and incorporate the correction. It's the right thing to do.Fortunately, since I'm Canadian, I have had the opportunity to grow up around many different cultures. So I'm able to be a little more intuitive about what may or may not be offensive.But frankly? Most human beings enjoy being asked about, being given a chance to tell their story, and being listened to.Enthusiasm and a genuine curiosity are universal. :)
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So like if black people want to open a pizza shop that would be problematic.
It's funny you mention pizza, as even this dish has a murky creation story. In and of itself, that would be your case for cultural appropriation. But since pizza is Americanized and homogenized, I wouldn't think so. More like if black people opened a Pad Thai restaurant.
This is interesting because when you look at the nature of certain foods, like Chinese food, it's been Americanized for sure. You rarely see Chinese people eating what we eat there, but you see various Asian cultures that own them. The China Kitchen in my town is owned by a Chinese family who just opened a Hibachi spot across the street
So how you distinguishe someone from said culture to someone pretending? Do you know what is sacred to said culture and what is normal? Or its just something you have heard and not bothered to check with an expert? I can bet what ever amount you want, that you won't be able to guess simple arheological or old clothing from ceremonial or sacred one. In short unless you are linguist, culturologist, lived in said culture and learned it or anthropologist of said culture, i would suggest you to keep you opinion to yourself. In most cases you have no idea what you are talking about. Also you probably have no idea what is sacred or ceremonial dress or peace of clothing for rest of world, so as most of people you have no idea what you are talking about. So you can only ansver about your own culture, probably...
@Janncis I have no idea what's sacred or ceremonial to other cultures. I don't need to because I don't perform appropriation, thank you. I'm from the school of thought that you don't fuck with things you don't understand. But I don't believe in dressing like another culture without prior knowledge of the significance. In another post, someone said they went to a traditional Indian wedding and had to wear Indian clothes. This isn't appropriation because they were invited to participate in that culture. But if Madonna were to dress like an Indian bride everyday, sparking the new Indian Bride trend in Hollywood, that is appropriation.Your argument, though well thought out, is in line with mine, @Janncis, not against.
So pizza is ok because its "americanized"? But its only americanized because italians came to america. I didn't see the part where now blacks Asians and mexicans have permission to profit of my ancestors traditional cuisine. Especially since pizza was primarily for poor Italians, they were especially disadvantaged and now all ethnicities feel empowered to profit off their culture.
Fair enough. So don't support Black or Mexican owned pizza places 🤷🏿♀️. There's been some debate over whether Italians or Chinese people invented pizza so you have your fight on your hands. Nobody says you have to support them
What the fuck? That is just not true. Oh and so you're saying its ok to appropriate culture? So then why would anyone even talk about this?
Someone asked a question and I responded same as you. You wanna get dodgy about morality, have a blast
Also, Google it. The origins of pizza is debated. There's a whole website about it.
Its honestly a really stupid story. Hardly any websites claim its accurate at all and many explain how it isn't. So its not really debated at all.
That's your opinion. It's my understanding that pizza and spaghetti both originated in China.
Oh so i shouldn't be asking you anything since you obviously don't understand much. My bad. Bye.
@bamesjond0069 It's like when white people open barbecue restaurants. Barbecue has a very definitive history, but has become homogeneous. Same thing.
@bamesjond0069 But it's ok. Because I disagree doesn't mean I don't understand. Farewell
This is a regressive mindset. With this logic, a white person that opens up a dojo for japanese martial arts would be guilty of cultural appropriation.Yet I dont see anyone protesting white people that own jujutsu gyms.
It's only regressive if you believe assimilation is a worthy goal of society. But since society isn't set up to allow equal assimilation of every culture, it's not fair to profit off of a culture that isn't equally represented or allowed the ability to profit equally. Life's good when you're the majority. You can basically do what you want and dictate trends with that fat majority money. Who's gonna protest white jujitsu gyms? Japanese Americans? Who has the time or money to fight the man?
Its regressive because its the same type of mindset shared by the nazis and the KKK. Both of those are regressive groups that wanted all cultures to remain separate because they didn't want members of the 'superior' aryan race to be tainted by cultures that were 'less superior' to their own. A regressive society discourages cultural exchange. A progressive society embraces cultural exchange.And of course life's good when you're the majority, but that isn't limited to just America. That applies to any country.
I disagree. The KKK and nazis take issue with cultures mixing and believing one is superior to another. What I'm proposing is mutual respect for the coexistence of other cultures and treating the practices and beliefs with respect. Shouldn't be so farfetched, nor should it engender this much confusion or hate.
Of course you can play around with anyone’s natural culture. It’s called free speech, or the right to express yourself, guaranteed by the first amendment to the constitution, maybe you’ve heard of it?🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
And it’s fun to do. So now what? String me up? Try it...
Look, if you want to be a dick then sure you can do that. It's just wrong and karma is going to hit you hard
Karma is going to hit me hard for enjoying my liberty? Yedh rivht!
That's abusing it. Freedom of speech is just that - speech. Wearing another cultural icon and making fun of it is an act of hate which isn't protected.
First of all, sence when do we punish emotion.And second of all wearing traditional native clothing has been done by generations as a way of showing unity and representing peace. Third of all, as long as it is your property you can wear it thats free expression. Another right.
@Random- it’s laughable that you think you can just declare what an “act of hate” is, and decide it’s illegal... 🤣😂🤣 hating is not illegal anyway, if it was, the entire democrat party would be prosecuted... lol you can’t legislate emotions just like you can’t legislate morality.
Yikes I'm genuinely offended by this. This is blatant white supremacy and racism right here, and you definitely aren't knowledgable about the atrocities that came with colonization
Bitch I doubt you even know what proper English is
@jasion YOU’RE A KING I LOVE IT
What the fuck
@jasion and your a bawbag so we are even bye as you say felicia
@booooop why has it to be white supremy, its scottish supremacy! Your phone, your medicines, your TV all scottish inventions.. Say thanks..
Yeah and the WiFi that ur using to type this down is from a technology invented by a Latina. Bow down to Latinas now.
@CubsterShura latina you say, you mean an immigrant to southern America when your descendents of Europeans... Hilarious
Latinas are mix of SEVERAL races not just Europeans. Gosh I can't keep up with this density anymore. You do you boo. Bye.
@CubsterShura away you gox defo Eastern European mixed with you that's for sure
I swear white people claiming intellectual superiority is a oxymoron in of itself
bitch said “proper english” and BUTCHERED the grammar in her stupid ass paragraph 😂😂😂
@Sheyhoney colour, flavour, centre.
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Its a regressive mindset. Cultures were meant to be shared.I realize cultural appropriation is a very sensitive topic towards those of native American descent and I'm sure they would probably say a white person like myself wouldn't understand how it feels to have your culture be adopted by the very people that oppressed you. They would also probably argue that the difference between cultural exchange and cultural appropriation is that cultural exchange is something that is mutually agreed upon.My objection to that though would be that pretty much every group has oppressed some other group in some way. White record labels discriminated against black rock'n'roll musicians, yet I don't see black people telling white people they're not allowed to enjoy rock music? Christians discriminated against and oppressed pagans. Yet I don't see pagans attacking christians for adopting their culture into their religion.Whites oppressed the japanese. We not only forced them into trade with us, we also bombed them and proceeded to put them in internment camps after world war 2. Yet I don't see anyone protesting white people that practice japanese martial arts like judo or jujutsu.Most of the arguments regarding cultural appropriaton are based off of appeal to emotion fallacies and aren't really anything more than arguments that are merely just feelings-based. Not only that but cultural exchange is not always mutually agreed upon. The only reason America was exposed to Japanese culture was because a U. S Naval fleet threatened Japan into doing trade with us.
Gender Appropriation? Maybe you should start a campaign against it.
This x 1 billion
I'm also getting braids