yes I quite agree with you, and you are the first to tell me about the Rhineland I thought nobody would tell me about it lol, even hitler recognized that if France had attacked him at that time it would have been over. After we probably had too old leaders, and became too pacifist due to the First World War, so we could have stopped Germany
I quite agree with your analysis. but the Maginot line I think it was a good thing but the mistake was not to do it continuously. and I also think that it is pacifism that must have lost France if you want I can explain my opinion on pacifism in detail
you weren't quite wrong. But for the French it is to be considered a defeat and the French at the time thought that France was going to disappear and I think that we made the mistake of not putting the Maginot line on the Ardennes
Yes in part, the maginot line should have been done continuously. but it is also for me French pacifism which made it lose
Maybe, but more like being outmatched, like a guy going to a luxury car meeting in a jalopy.
I will explain to you why I say that, France at refuse to see the rearmament of Germany, France to refuse to see the rise of Germany and when it begins to support Franco, and that it has started to invade kes other countries France has done nothing. She wanted to do nothing and nothing even because she was afraid of reliving a conflict, the French elite was traumatized by the First World War
sorry for my spelling my English is limited
Probably apathy, just like they all did when they started rounding up the Jews and sending them off to extermination camps. They just didn't want to get involved until it kicked them in the ass but by that time it was too late.
are you talking about the vichy diet?
Scroll Down to Read Other Opinions
The big problem was not so much the line itself, but it is not to have made the line continuous. Besides, that's why the Germans went through the Ardennes because there just wasn't the line. But I admit to ignoring the reason that they pushed them to believe that the Ardennes were impassable
i think they were too pacifist
I’m not sure why you’d say that. It was the UK signing appeasement deals. The French army in ww1 may not have shown the attacking panache that Germany or some of the UK colonial troops did but they were absolutely tenacious in defense. Ww2 they got overwhelmed by a form of warfare nobody was ready for. They were ready for ww1 to continue not for blitzkrieg. Now those who pushed for the Vichy regime, and those who collaborated more then necessary - that’s a different topic.
It’s not just elites traumatized by ww1. Everyone was. It was a nightmare. If anything the elites were likely worried about revolution from the traumatized poor. France had something like 2 million soldiers plus the maginot line I wouldn’t say they were demilitarized. They did indeed believe the attack would come through Belgium and thought they could contain it with a pincer attack. It’s easy in retrospect to act like the French were fools and it was obvious how fast Germany would be able to strike and it’s perhaps worth noting that the speed shocked and terrified german high command including hitler. Credit should be given to a number of german panzer leaders who essentially disobeyed orders to maintain momentum.
I did not say demilitarize lol, yes you are right not only the elites, but it is the elites who lead, so it is they who make the decisions. I tell you they refused to see the rearmament of Germany and all the rest. Meme Hitler said if France had attacked him while they were in the Rhineland it was all over. Our leaders were older
They go around and manipulate shit then act like they didn't do anything and aren't doing anything while they go around and cause problems then try to play the victim about it. and act like they aren't doing anything. While they try to manipulate shit and murder you. With the very problems they create then they try to play the victim and continue to back stab you and manipulate shit then try to act like they didn't do anything or aren't. When the whole time they are just trying and have been trying to manipulate shit and murder you.
Then they try to act like they aren't doing anything when they know damn well they are.. They are just really good at lying and manipulating shit.. Wtf is that?
I absolutely don't understand the meaning of those you mean, my English must be really limited
It has to do with something else and I just randomly decided to post it here.
Oh ok 😅
With the very problems they create.. Then they try to act like they aren't doing anything and continue to try and manipulate shit and murder you. When they know damn well what they are trying to do. And the only problem there is is them and the only problem there ever has been is them. They just want to continue to stay around manipulating shit and trying to murder you. And cause you the most damage humanly possible and then act like they didn't do anything and weren't trying to.. Honestly wtf is that? Who do you think you are fooling.
There wouldn't be a problem or ever been one without them around.. Constantly trying to manipulate shit and make there a problem and causing chaos and making everything worse. Manipulating people and trying to control their lives and murder them. All secretly while trying to act like they are trying to help.. BOTCH PLEASE!!! Bs you are..
France has lost, that's why it was occupied, but yes in the end it found itself in the camp of the victors but simply that thanks to the allies
No, they built the maginot line. Even the Germans were afraid of it. So the went around it. It was never used.
I agree on that, but I say that we should have attacked Germany in 39 there were already several signs that show that the Germans would not stop, but the French elite traumatized by the war of 14, 18 think parliamentary power with Germany and we could have attacked them when they were in Rhineland
Yes we should have but the world was not looking for another war like WW1
yes, i am for peace and really i am happy with the hours of peace that we know as long as it lasts a long time. But for the second world war, our refusal of war led us to indescribable horrors
am i transgender? oh it would take too long to explain😅, but i think french pacifism also participated in the french defeat.
No"hun" if i can call you that now, since you're apparently a transit was ONLY technology. NOT pacifism. that would belong to england. Remember chamberlain GAVE hitler what he wanted, with no war
I will explain to you why I say that, France at refuse to see the rearmament of Germany, France to refuse to see the rise of Germany and when it begins to support Franco, and that it has started to invade kes other countries France has done nothing. She wanted to do nothing and nothing even because she was afraid of reliving a conflict, the French elite was traumatized by the First World War. Sorry for my English
No, the french fought back, and they fought valiantly, at one point even outnumbered Germans, 2 to 1, but, the problem was, the french technology, was still from WWIDO NOT LET THESE OTHER COCKSUCKERS OUT HERE, INCLUDING YOURSELF, TELL YOU OTHERWISE
yes they had to retaliate but too late, there was a French politician when they saw Germany start to rearm who said that it was necessary to intervene now, the head of government to ignore this speech and prefer to do nothing , then yes once it was too late they decided to react, there is an old joke in France which says, the French they tighten the buttocks once they have made poo in their panties
dude, im telling you why they lost. GET OVER IT
The line should have went all the way to channel and the Mediteranean.
yes honestly I don't know why they thought this damn forest would be insurmountable, it seems completely crazy to me when I think about it
Outdated tactics and thinking. General Weygand the over French commander was staying away from the front, he would recieve up dates every hour by messenger riding a motor cycle from the fighting in a time of radio communication. Like I said out dated tactics and thinking , the French were acting like it was still 1914.
Yes, but above all it was pacifism that made France lose. there were intellectuals from France who explained that the Treaty of Versailles was a too peaceful peace. I recommend the book by jacques Bainville, which explained 20 years before the second world war all that will happen
France wanted a crushing surrender Of Germany post ww1 while for instance America wanted a generous peace. The treaty of Versailles ended up somewhere in between and perhaps that was the worst outcome. But we can’t say what would have happened otherwise.
It's good joke
Oh yes, right... joke! Of course
no we lost the war, but yes in the end we ended up in the victors' camp
Being invaded isn't the same as losing the war.
France only found itself winning thanks to the allies and only because Charles de Gaulle did everything for France to be in the camps of the victors. But in the French spirit I assure you that it is a humiliating defeat
Wow this small boy is very smart and know a lot
France has actually won more battles through history than any other country
I agree with you and I understand what you are saying when you say that France wins the second world war, but let us not forget also this reality that it can thank the other countries and that the French of the time thought that the France was going to disappear
France and Italy are my favorite European countries...
it's a simplification of the story lol
people or countries who hide truth just for fame is not good.France lost the war but at the end other countries or allies saved them.The end
my question is why France lost, it is not as simple as saying that it is because germany was strong.
Because of German general who was also endorsed by French citizens
Rommel was the best general is the war
lol, the real reasons are 1st french pacifism, secondly the fact that France is not made of the Maginot line a continuous line.
are you on the side of the nazies?
Lol really.I don’t pick sides, I just studied and he’s battle plans were best, evenOther generals tried to kill him
no it's just a question, I don't know you can maybe appreciate the Nazi ideology
Appreciate their ideology? 🤣🤣🤣Their idea was stupid but their knowledge and technology was advance
Where do you think stealth technology came from?
You scared me, I thought you were on the Nazi side lol, not because you know this subject but I had the impression that it was written in a certain tone. But anyway Germany should not have rearmed, France at close eyes
No problem 😅
no its not funny but i didn't understand what you meant the first time